Is channel smite worth it for an antipaladin?


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I'm going to be playing a svetocherb dhampir tyrant/dread vanguard anti paladin (2level dip in fighter at 3rd and 6th level) for an upcomming hells vengeance campaign.

Weapon of choice is a falchon planning on getting cruel, Keen and conductive on it

Str 18
Dex 12
Con 14
Int 10
Was 10
Cha 18

He has fangs and the blood drinker feat, I know it snt optimal but I like it for the character. His other feats will be
3-Power attack
3-Soulless gaze
5-Mask of virtue
6-Cornugeon smash
7-channel smite?
9-furious focus
11-dreadful carnage
13-vital strike
15-improved vital strike
17- devistatering strike

I was wondering if channel smite is really worth it for an antipaladin with a conductive weapon? Do both abilities stack? What feats would u suggest instead?
Any other build advise is welcomed and appreciated.


i wouldn't take channelling smite just move up vital strike so you have the option to use it earlyer on also what archetype for fighter will you be using i would recommend titan fighter as it would let you use a large greatsword for 3d6(4d6 with impact) damage which will work well with vital striking


Didt think about fighter archetype, with titan fighter I loose my first level bonus feat not sure if I want to loose that.


Seems like it could be fun with a Holy Vindicator. Channel Smite is a lot more handy since it's Negative Energy, and you can heal yourself. Vital Strike does seem a lot handier however, as all the special feats for Channel Smite doesn't really apply to you or are good. Plus Standard Action attacks do seem nice with grappling.

Edit: I took a look at some stats. You have your Falchion so if at Level Seven you have Channel Smite, you would deal 2d4 + 1d6, for an average of 8-ish damage. This is compared to Vital Strike which gives 4d4 damage, which is 10-ish damage. They're pretty close, but Vital Strike is more useful due to it's lack of limited use. Taking smaller level dips can boost the Channel Dice Damage. At level 15 Channel Smite ends up dealing 2d4 + 6d6, for an average of 26 damage. Improved Vital Strike deals 6d4 points of damage, for an average of 18 damage. I'd say if you're playing the long game Channel Smite seems to pay off, and you can pick up extra Lay on Hands, or Extra Channel or something if you want to be safe.


i wouldn't recommend taking a prestige class at all and she could take vital strike at 6 with her fighter level if she wished to delay cornugeon smash 1 level


That's a thought lady-j. What should I go four first vital strike or cornugeon smash. I have the omen faith trait so I can demoralize as a swift and with soulless gaze and the other damnation feat, I could cornugeon my target to frightened. That's y I'm leaning to cornugeon first


depends on your play style if you like the option to get a bit of extra damage when you cant full attack vital strike will be better but if you like the flavor of scaring all your enemies chitless the smash one would be better first


Hmm decisions decisions...
Definitely going to move vital strike to level 6 or 7 I may just wait and see which one will be fist based on how the character works in game.

Thanks for doing the math magehunter that helped. If I do take it it probably won't be till later like 13-15


Could it possibly be worth it to drop the vital strike line completely and take channeling smite, greater channel smite, extra lay on hands and other feats to boost my smite good?
Any ideas on feats that improve smite good/evil


with your build i just wouldn't go channelling smite at all and just go either greatsword vital strike or falchon crit build i feel channelling smite works best on sword and bord style were its not really worth going crit or vital strike route but still needs the little extra oomph


I think a crit build would fit the character better. In that case I would move furious focus up to level 7 take critical focus at 9 bleeding crit at 13 and I guess blinding and stunning critical at 15 and 17 respectively. Too bad I can't take critical mastery


have you decided which boon your gona take?


The weapon boon I think, having a devil buddy would be fun butbindent to forget about things like familiars and such.


then you will want to get acid burst on your weapon then use your boon to get flaming burst for 1d6 fire and acid damage every hit and an extra 1d10 fire and acid on a crit will be nice extra damage and will shut off most regenerate effects if you come across them


Oh that's mean ! So I would be looking at a +5. Keen, conductive, cruel, acid burst falchion when all said and done


no keen and critical and improved critical don't stack and you should be getting improved critical


What do you think about cruelties? I'm toying with two possible paths
1: sickened, diseased, nauseated, stunned
2: shken, staggered, frightened, paralysed

Soulless gaze allowed me to stack fear effects so if I hit em with a cornugeon smash and channel my touch of corruption I could get em to panicked technically


Should I get improved crit over critical focus?


+5 acid burst, conductive,flaming burst(flaming burst and a potential +3 from boon)cruel is nice i guess but un needed as lots of things in pathfinder and immune to sickend added damage is better overall and even with the boon the max your weapon can have is still +10


i feel fatigued would be a better but more situational cruelty (oh were fighting an angry barbarian let me just make him fatigued so he cant rage), staggered is really good but if you can apply cruelties to yourself when you heal yourself from touch of corruption as you are a damphir disease would be hilarious just give yourself all the diseases since you are immune then cut your finger and make a touch attack against something living that has an open wound and see the look on your dm's face as you tell him that said creature needs to make 500 fort saves vs 500 different diseases. cursed is defiantly the best and its a toss up between blindness and deafness for the last one


Oh didn't realize that. Thanks for pointing that out.


HAHAH that's funny! I should do that just to mess with him!


grant it most dms wont let the 500 diseases thing fly but you could potentially give your self a few nasty ones to help you nuke a town of commoners or what not tho


and since you suffer none of the downsides of diseases because of plague bringer you have nothing to worry about however your party may want to get a wand of remove disease at some point for themselves also you can pick up some diseases by just walking through towns so keep that in mind if you don't wana infect your allies


We will be playing hells vengeance, not sure how may barbarian we will be coming across. However I do think that fatigued fits the character better especillay if I channel the ToC through the sword.


That is a very interesting tactic . I'm just gone keep that in my back pocket for now. And totaly go Typhoid marry on an unsuspecting town


not just barbarians fatigue can mess with other classes class features plus its a decent debuff assuming their not immune to it cant run or charge -2 str and dex any activity that would give it fatigue again makes it exosted


Good point -1 to hit an and damage -1 to ac and when I scare the pants of them they cant run away!


Cool thanks for all the help Lady-J


I just fount this feat

Hurtful
Prerequisite(s): Str 13, Power Attack.

Benefit(s): When you successfully demoralize an opponent within your melee reach with an Intimidate check, you can make a single melee attack against that creature as a swift action. If your attack fails to damage the target, its shaken condition from being demoralized immediately ends.

What do you think about that? should I try and squeeze it in some where?


UPDATE

So fare there I'd watni have figured
1-blood drinker
3-power attack
3-soulless gaze
5-mask of virtue
6-cornugeon smash
7-furious focus
9-improved crit or crit focus(depending if I get keen on weapon)
11-dreadful carnage
13-bleeding crit
15-blinding crit
17-stunning crit

Would like to try and get hurtful in there if its worth it. Not sure where though


if you take the blindness cruelty you could replace blinding crit with hurtful

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