Efficient Quiver and Melee Weapons


Rules Questions

Liberty's Edge

CRB wrote:
The first and smallest one can contain up to 60 objects of the same general size and shape as an arrow. The second slightly longer compartment holds up to 18 objects of the same general size and shape As a javelin. The third and longest portion of the case contains as many as 6 objects of the same general size and shape as a bow (spears, staffs, or the like). Once the owner has filled it, the quiver can quickly produce any item she wishes that is within the quiver, as if from a regular quiver or scabbard. The efficient quiver weighs the same no matter what's placed inside it.

The highlighted text suggests to me that I can use the efficient quiver to store my spare rapiers, and draw them if needed (draw weapon) rather than retrieve them (retrieve a stored item).


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It might be debatable if a rapier is the same rough size and shape as a staff or spear, but yeah, otherwise that should work.


It depends. Mostly for the fact they are generally smaller than a staff, spear or bow. Or wider than a javelin (guard) or arrow (same reason).

It could go both ways legitimately, as written.


I'll note (short of the Throwing property all melee weapons can get) staffs are not in any way ranged weapons. It can definitely store melee weapons.


Why not just go for the Scabbard of Many Blades? Well, you clearly get only 8 rapiers, whereas (depending on pocket), you might have been hoping for more from an Efficient Quiver. OTOH, you get no argument from your GM!


I think efficient quiver can hold melee weapons, but the weapon must be generally straight without sharp lateral protuberances. A rapier would fit the bill. Whether the rapier is sized as a bow or javelin - I don't know.


Saethori wrote:
It might be debatable if a rapier is the same rough size and shape as a staff or spear, but yeah, otherwise that should work.

The third and longest portion of the case contains as many as 6 objects of the same general size and shape as a bow (spears, staves, or the like).

The items in the slots have to conform to the sizes and shapes specified, because that's what the magic accepts. The third and longest portion of the case contains as many as 6 objects of the same general size and shape as a bow (spears, staves, or the like).

Rapiers or other swords are not sized and shaped like any of these.


Strict reading, you get bow, spear or stave. Because the scabbard of many blades exists, I'd rule that you need that to store melee weapons that aren't specified for the quiver.

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bitter lily wrote:
Why not just go for the Scabbard of Many Blades? Well, you clearly get only 8 rapiers, whereas (depending on pocket), you might have been hoping for more from an Efficient Quiver. OTOH, you get no argument from your GM!

My primary motivation is to store many arrows. That the Efficient Quiver can hold additional items is secondary. Besides, the Scabbard of Many Blades costs 5000 gp.

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Tarantula wrote:
Strict reading, you get bow, spear or stave. Because the scabbard of many blades exists, I'd rule that you need that to store melee weapons that aren't specified for the quiver.

Certainly, if I wanted to keep a dwarven war axe, a great sword and two war hammers handy, I would need the Scabbard of Many Blades.

Two rapiers?


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The Scabbard of Many Blades has other properties, such as allowing someone to swap their blades as a move action or swift action if they have Quick Draw. Normally it is a move action to just draw a weapon. It is also a relatively recent addition, whereas the Efficient Quiver dates back to 1st edition AD&D but under a slightly different name.

I think it would be reasonable to store a Sansetsukon (three section staff) in an efficient quiver. The Naginata is a staff with a blade on the end -- is that close enough to a spear? Bo and Jo should certainly qualify for "or the like" to a staff.

I would suggest you check with your GM. For PFS, expect table variation.

Liberty's Edge

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Another use I have seen/done is to store wands. A GM (one of my best friends) told me I could not draw the wand as I had been (Like ammo, as I have since found out), so it takes the normal action to draw the wand, but you know which wand is where in the Quiver.

I never considered melee weapons, but think it is a valid use if the weapons are small enough, like Rapiers, short/longswords, and the like. Things that have a curve to them or are overly large, like the Scimitar and a big ol' War Axe, would likely be beyond the scope of the item to store.


Rapiers tend to have rather large handguards which makes them quite wide compared to a spear, unless you are talking about a boar spear.


As written I think this is unclear, so is a GM's call. The group I play with started being fairly relaxed about this. We have started limiting it weapon very similar to those described. The quiver only costs 1,000gp and we felt we were allowing it to be too good.

Just our opinion.


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Efficient Quiver costs 1800 (not 1000) unless you are talking construction cost.


That's what you get for posting and relying on your memory.
Thanks for the correction.

It's still cheap at 1,800, particularly if you are flexible with what can go into it.


Can you store a pole arm in an Efficient Quiver?
In the past (since D&D 1) I have let it be so, and I have allowed other weapons to be stored in the space. If they were dramatically different or strange shapes I had them take 2 spots.

MDC

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

It is bigger than a longbow? Javilin?

Likely, most Two Handed weapons will be to big to store with extended parts or the haft having things on the end. Rapiers, even with the most gaudy of hilts, should still fit if a strung bow can.


I ask because often staves are the same size as some pole arms.
MDC

Liberty's Edge

Pathfinder Rulebook Subscriber

Hmmm... Might have the blade/tip sticking out the top. *clunk*

Might be a case of GM descresion.


Worst magic item ever. You know what also holds 60 arrows? Three free quivers with the purchase of your arrows....

I would not consider a rapier sufficiently spear like enough to go into the quiver.


Carrying around three quivers would be rather bulky. Especially if you are also carrying a backpack and maybe something like a sword.


Meh, just have extra-wide shoulders.


Joey Cote wrote:

Carrying around three quivers would be rather bulky. Especially if you are also carrying a backpack and maybe something like a sword.

Left hip , right hip, over the back. We haven't even gotten weird yet.

Shadow Lodge

I houserule that the end sticks out of it's too big. Given that a typical composite bow has a good 4"-to-6" or even more "S-curving" going on, I have no trouble envisioning it holding swords with cross-guards of the same width. A polearm would have five feet of length sticking out the flap (nice try, Waldo), and a greatsword's foot-wide crossguard and hilt would stick out.

What's not inside has its normal weight (half the object's weight is quick-n-dirty appropriate), and the whole comical business probably tips off anyone nearby that you are sporting one of those spiffy and valuable magic quivers, not an ordinary crappy one.

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