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zylphryx wrote:
orcs

If we did an orcs issue, I bet Mikaze would come back.

Otherwise my vote is CITIES CITIES CITIES CITIES CITIES! So many cities out there with so much information but such little love.

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Timitius wrote:
The favored APs were Hell's Rebels/Vengeance with 15+, followed by Mummy's Mask.

I'd guess Hell's Rebels was popular because it was available in the Humble Bundle offer a while back... at least that's how I got a hold of that.

My vote is for mountains, oh man, MOUNTAINS!

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Garrett Guillotte wrote:
zylphryx wrote:
orcs

If we did an orcs issue, I bet Mikaze would come back.

Otherwise my vote is CITIES CITIES CITIES CITIES CITIES! So many cities out there with so much information but such little love.

Cities would be cool. There are orc cities (or at least one ... above ground anyway).


Timitius wrote:
FINAL TALLY: 66 submissions

Any idea yet when we will hear on acceptance? Fewer submissions SHOULD make it quicker, but I guess you have to take into account the time it takes looking harder for the best submissions to pick for this issue.

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He'sDeadJim wrote:
Timitius wrote:
FINAL TALLY: 66 submissions

Any idea yet when we will hear on acceptance? Fewer submissions SHOULD make it quicker, but I guess you have to take into account the time it takes looking harder for the best submissions to pick for this issue.

Our focus has been entirely on getting Wayfinder #16 finalized and released, so we haven't really addressed any of the #17 submissions yet. With 66 submissions, we'll need to reject about 20. So, yes, it should go faster than issues where we got 100+ submissions.

Give us about 2 weeks or so.....

Tim


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zylphryx wrote:
Garrett Guillotte wrote:
zylphryx wrote:
orcs

If we did an orcs issue, I bet Mikaze would come back.

Otherwise my vote is CITIES CITIES CITIES CITIES CITIES! So many cities out there with so much information but such little love.

Cities would be cool. There are orc cities (or at least one ... above ground anyway).

All cities are orc cities!

Once they conquer them...

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oooo ... Orc siege tactics ... would be a fluff piece mainly, but could be entertaining.

Could also see doing a write up on orc settlements in the Underdark.

hmmmmm .....

Scarab Sages

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"Agrophobia Among the Humanoids:, or 'Why DO orcs like guarding 10-foot square rooms, anyway?'"


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zylphryx wrote:
orcs

The Many faces of Orc: Orcish subrace of Golarion

Orcs and their Pets: A Bestiary a company and utilitary animals

Orogs and Ogrillons: The Successful Bastard children of the orcs.

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Tim, if the next issue is not orcs, I think we have a contender for a future issue. ;)

Scarab Sages

"Fifty Shades of Orc: Tattoos and tribal paint markings of the greenskin tribes."


I've always been a fan of Half-Orcs! An all orc issue would be cool.


Have we had a hobgoblin issue yet? (monster issue aside)

Maybe it could be hobgoblins vs orcs to make it more encompassing?


Now...If you do that you have to include all Goblinoids...not just Hobgoblins.

I say do the Trifecta of standard Humanoid monsters:
Goblins, Orcs, and Gnolls...OH MY!

(I'm a huge fan of Gnolls too...)

But that may smack to close to the 'monster' issue as well for comfort?

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Hobgobs would probably want to wait until after Ironfang is fully released to avoid conflicting with official content (I expect they will be fleshing out hobgobs during that AP), but I am also a Orc/Gnoll/Goblinoid fan, so I like this train of thought.


I'll admit that I am not a terribly huge fan of the orc theme. However, don't let that stop it from happening. I don't actually need to submit something to every issue. ^_^


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Isabelle Lee wrote:
I'll admit that I am not a terribly huge fan of the orc theme. However, don't let that stop it from happening. I don't actually need to submit something to every issue. ^_^

Yes you do. :)


I think cities or mountain could be a good compromise here.

Both open up into ideas about creatures, settlements, (sub)cultures, etc.

I have a great Tavern idea for a city submission and a core concept mining operation for a mountain one.

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I admit I am kinda liking the cities concept. And it still allows for ORCS!


zylphryx wrote:
I admit I am kinda liking the cities concept. And it still allows for ORCS!

Exactly.

Or any kind of humanoid. A City-dwelling or "civilized" orc (sub)culture would be an interesting addition I think.


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Andre Roy wrote:
zylphryx wrote:
I admit I am kinda liking the cities concept. And it still allows for ORCS!

Exactly.

Or any kind of humanoid. A City-dwelling or "civilized" orc (sub)culture would be an interesting addition I think.

Urgir is stronger city than all wimpy human cities!

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I'm a city person myself, love urban stuff.

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Meraki wrote:
Andre Roy wrote:
zylphryx wrote:
I admit I am kinda liking the cities concept. And it still allows for ORCS!

Exactly.

Or any kind of humanoid. A City-dwelling or "civilized" orc (sub)culture would be an interesting addition I think.

Urgir is stronger city than all wimpy human cities!

Well, it was a dwarf built city ... But it got its character from orcs! ;)

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Andre Roy wrote:
zylphryx wrote:
I admit I am kinda liking the cities concept. And it still allows for ORCS!

Exactly.

Or any kind of humanoid. A City-dwelling or "civilized" orc (sub)culture would be an interesting addition I think.

Oh if we do run with the cities theme, I will be spearheading an orcish invasion, like the claiming or Urgir. I've got several Orc themed / city themed article ideas bouncing around in my brain right now.


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Well the more it goes the more a possible City-theme is inspiring me.

I, unfortunately, had a restless night last night and while trying to to wake up my spouse, I was thinking and came up for a nice little seed for a Weal and Woe Article: A mysterious killer and the inspector who dedicate himself to hunt him down.

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Definitely check out Horror Adventures, then, Andre. I'm told that there are archetypes designed to play against each other in those roles. ^_^


I was and the Serial killer Archertype for the Vigilante would be perfect for that role.

I'm also debating if I make them "City Neutral" or integrate them fully into 1 city. One has the advantage of allowing the GM to use them anywhere he wants. The other is more restrictive/restricted.

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Now that this deadline is behind us, what is Issue 18 looking for? :)

Timitius wrote:

So, to head off the inevitable posts of speculation, why don't we have an open discussion as to the theme for Wayfinder #18 right here?

Our immediate ideas are:
Fey/First World
Supernatural (Occult Adv., Horror Adv., Strange Eons)
Cities of the Inner Sea
Mountains of the Inner Sea

In other words, has this narrowed any? :)


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Lord Fyre wrote:
Now that this deadline is behind us, what is Issue 18 looking for? :)

Well Timitius was testing the water for a Fey, cities, mountains or supernatural (occult adventure. , horror adventure, strange aeon) themed issue.

Isabelle Lee mentioned Ancient Kingdoms

Amanuensis offered revisiting the Inner Sea Gods

Todd Stewart the Planes

Kearney suggested the Land of the Linnorm Kings

The haunted Jester offered Demons, Devils, and Daemons; Tar-Baphon (influence on cults, monsters, more era focus); dragons of the Inner Sea; Crown of the World

zylphryx had the orcs suggestion, which Drejk and
He'sDeadJim suggested to extended to Hobgoblin and goblinoid and gnoll.

So bottom line is: we don'the know but a lot of ideas has been through around. City, fey, orc and supernatural seem popular

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Andre Roy wrote:
So bottom line is: we don'the know but a lot of ideas has been through around. City, fey, orc and supernatural seem popular

Well, Fey and Hobgoblins would lead into the Ironfang invasion.

Cities, Fey and Supernatural would support the current Strange Aeons AP and both Hell's Rebels and Hell's Vengeance.

Ancient Empires and Fey would play into the upcoming "Azlanti" AP that has been bandied about.

I am sensing "fey" as a theme here.


Fey is the theme that inspire me the least. Oh well we shall see

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Generally, we have been asked to do a fey theme quite a lot. The monsters theme was an experiment of sorts, to see how well an "open, yet limited" theme would work. Fey, or other race-themed issues would have more of a focus that may work well.

Similarly, more open geography-based themes could work well. Issue #8 was our "seas and coasts" issue, and...well, it won an ENnie, so I guess it did well enough. I would note, though, that it heavily leaned on Lands of the Linnorm Kings. This taught us the lesson that we needed to space our themes out at least a year from Paizo's releases. Issue #6 was the LotLK issue, but that campaign setting book was released late....right at the time our Call for Submissions closed. DOH! So, there's that.

A Cities/Urban theme would work well, but I suspect that a lot of Cheliax stuff will continue to dominate. Mountains is a bit better, more widespread across the continent, and reduces risks of Cheliax-prone issues. You are all welcome to reassure me that it won't be like that......

Gods? I think that's too open.
The Planes? Convince me that this won't become an Angels vs. Devils issue.
Orcs? Issue #5 touched on it, regionally. It's possible, but risks alienating a large group of potential contributors and readers who aren't really into orcs. I'd be concerned about it being too specific of a theme. (Likewise, an elf, dwarf, halfling, or human theme is kind of limiting...gnome? Fey/First World would include them!).

Ancient Kingdoms.... I will admit, I know almost ZERO about this. My concern then is if it is TOO focused, and also, has Paizo had their way with the subject for now? If it is relatively undeveloped, I worry that Paizo WILL come back with new material, essentially overwriting our issue.

So, you can see that I AM considering everyone's ideas! I just think about them for the long game.

Mostly, what I aim for with a theme is:

1) One that builds on well-established Paizo content, this avoiding problems with violating canon or being rendered obsolete with future Paizo work (also so it is out in the market long enough for the fans to absorb and gather inspiration from)
2) Provides opportunities for additional fan-created material in support of Paizo APs, both so readers can use the new material when running those APs, and also to rekindle interest in older APs that perhaps players new to Pathfinder might not have played yet
3) Broad enough to offer something for everyone (both contributors AND readers).
4) And probably a number of other factors I actually don't realize that I am even considering.


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Timitius wrote:
A Cities/Urban theme would work well, but I suspect that a lot of Cheliax stuff will continue to dominate. Mountains is a bit better, more widespread across the continent, and reduces risks of Cheliax-prone issues. You are all welcome to reassure me that it won't be like that......

For myself, both my city ideas are either generic (and could fit in any cities) or Magnimar in Varisia.

LotLK had been done before, but what about the Realms of the Mammoth Lords! Not much about it has been published.


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Timitius wrote:
A Cities/Urban theme would work well, but I suspect that a lot of Cheliax stuff will continue to dominate. Mountains is a bit better, more widespread across the continent, and reduces risks of Cheliax-prone issues. You are all welcome to reassure me that it won't be like that......

I'd be more inclined to go Magnimar and Kaer Maga, personally. Got a soft spot in my heart for those two. Haven't looked too closely into Taldan cities, but I could see some neat opportunities there, too.

Someone refresh my memory, has Wayfinder done a Tian Xia issue yet?


Meraki wrote:
Someone refresh my memory, has Wayfinder done a Tian Xia issue yet?

Not to my knowledge.

Funny enough my Weal and Woe idea would still work in a Tian Xia setting.


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Timitius wrote:
Ancient Kingdoms.... I will admit, I know almost ZERO about this. My concern then is if it is TOO focused, and also, has Paizo had their way with the subject for now? If it is relatively undeveloped, I worry that Paizo WILL come back with new material, essentially overwriting our issue.

On the other hand, though, they could end up using our work as a base for future PF material.


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They can have whatever of my work they want. ^_^

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IMO, there are tons of options with the various ancient kingdoms that have been provided for us and I'd love to play with that theme. That said, I'd assume they'll add a lot of lore with Ruins of Azlant so may begetter after that AP.

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Timitius wrote:


The Planes? Convince me that this won't become an Angels vs. Devils issue.

Because daemons and proteans are more awesome. :D


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Todd Stewart wrote:
Timitius wrote:


The Planes? Convince me that this won't become an Angels vs. Devils issue.
Because daemons and proteans are more awesome. :D

*whisper* kytons...

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Drejk wrote:
Todd Stewart wrote:
Timitius wrote:


The Planes? Convince me that this won't become an Angels vs. Devils issue.
Because daemons and proteans are more awesome. :D
*whisper* kytons...

Suffering is appropriate for Kytons.


Todd Stewart wrote:
Timitius wrote:


The Planes? Convince me that this won't become an Angels vs. Devils issue.
Because daemons and proteans are more awesome. :D

I agree! I also think elementals and positive/negative energy are rad.


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I will totally write something for kytons. ^_^

(Again, I mean.)

Plus, there's divs and asura. Good times.


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Drejk wrote:
Todd Stewart wrote:
Timitius wrote:


The Planes? Convince me that this won't become an Angels vs. Devils issue.
Because daemons and proteans are more awesome. :D
*whisper* kytons...

screeching owlbears

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Some might say a planes issue is inevitable... It's almost axiomatic.

(That said, I think I'd like mountains or even cities more as a theme.)


A planes issue could include River of Souls content. Metaphysics, occult, even space travel (stars and black holes) too.


Garrett Guillotte wrote:
A planes issue could include River of Souls content. Metaphysics, occult, even space travel (stars and black holes) too.

I feel like there is enough material and interest in the planes to have both a good outsider and an evil outsider issue (probably not neutral, which is a shame because I like psychopomps).

That being said, I still think a fey issue should be next, with cities as a second choice.

Scarab Sages

If we did go with mountains it might be fun to do something with Mhar. He is at least part mountain.


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Drejk wrote:
Todd Stewart wrote:
Timitius wrote:


The Planes? Convince me that this won't become an Angels vs. Devils issue.
Because daemons and proteans are more awesome. :D
*whisper* kytons...

We have such sights to show you!


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Garrett Guillotte wrote:
Drejk wrote:
Todd Stewart wrote:
Timitius wrote:


The Planes? Convince me that this won't become an Angels vs. Devils issue.
Because daemons and proteans are more awesome. :D
*whisper* kytons...
screeching owlbears

The First World is an infinite plane :P

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