None Psionic class like the mind blade


Pathfinder First Edition General Discussion


are there any classes, none psionic, that can do the same thing, or similar, as the archer mind blade archetype? (I dont recall the archetypes name).


The Gifted Blade Soulknife functions like a psionic 4/9 full BaB manifester and it's really good. My player has been running one for a year and is loving it.


He's asking about non-psionic classes, though mind blade is a psychic class, not psionic. There's nothing besides soulknife and mind blade magus that I'm aware of that generates weapons on the fly.


^Kineticists don't count?


Well, there is kineticist, that can make a weapon out of his element his he has the right power.

Elemental annhilators do it even better, allowing you to do so fast enough to do AoOs, and allowing you to form two weapons for TWF (or 1 for 2 handing, or maybe to just launch a bunch of attacks as a ranged attack, or to make one big blast with normal kineticist blasts)

They don't directly do much besides basic damage, usually.


Spellblade magus can make a dagger to TWF with by sacrificing spell slots.


Shinoskay wrote:
are there any classes, none psionic, that can do the same thing, or similar, as the archer mind blade archetype? (I dont recall the archetypes name).

What are you looking for?

The Kensai archetype focuses on one weapon and has access to spells for buffs (to emulate blade skills). It gains max weapon damage a few times a day (to emulate psychic strike).

If you are looking for a free weapon that scales with level, I'm not sure that PFRPG has anything like that.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

Non-3pp Psionic or Non-Occult Adventures?

If the former, the Magus archetype Mindblade does the closest of what you're seeking--manifested weapon.


Warlock Vigilante? Mystic Bolts are technichally a weapon.

Silver Crusade

http://spheresofpower.wikidot.com/armorist

I love the Spheres magic system. For the class, look at the archetypes it has too, especially Blaster, Soaring Blade, and Whitesmith. If you really don't want to learn the magic system too much, then Armorist keeps its use simple enough.


To clarify, you are interested in a non-psionic class that does something similar to the Soulknife's Soulbolt achetype?

That is, generate a bunch of ranged attacks without using a manufactured weapon, correct?

If so, the Kineticist and Warlock Vigilante sound closest to what you want. Card Caster Magus, might work as well.


My DM doesnt like any spell system outside of the basic, so all psionics are a no go, he doesnt like psychic or occult either... but I love the Idea of the Soulbolt and I want something like that, I just cant find anything that isnt the soulbolt.

I will check out the elemental Annihilator, Kinetiscist may work but I dont remember what system they use. Magus is ok but I am not looking for Melee, mostly ranged.


Shinoskay wrote:

My DM doesnt like any spell system outside of the basic, so all psionics are a no go, he doesnt like psychic or occult either... but I love the Idea of the Soulbolt and I want something like that, I just cant find anything that isnt the soulbolt.

I will check out the elemental Annihilator, Kinetiscist may work but I dont remember what system they use. Magus is ok but I am not looking for Melee, mostly ranged.

The basic premise of soulbolt is to shoot things with magic (a weapon in it's case). Core class wise, you are looking at some sort of caster who specializes in ranged spells essentially. Either that or some martial who focuses on ranged weapons. You just need to decide on which mechanics you want, smaller consistent damage (magic weapons with ammunition) or larger spike damage (spells with limited uses). After that it is really "fluff" or flavor that you apply with description. Just about any GM who doesn't hate an idea will happily let you describe things any way you want as long as it doesn't alter the mechanics (and therefore change the balance).

As for the kineticist it uses a "pool" system with 'burn' to function. It isn't really like any other system in core. Magus has a ranged archetype as well. Magus would probably be my choice in your situation.

Dark Archive

As others have said, Kineticist (Occult Adventures) or Warlock Vigilante (Ultimate Intrigue) are the closest to what you are looking for that don't use psionics or non-core magic systems.

Kineticist doesn't use a magic system at all. They can throw blasts of elemental enegy all day long. They reduce their max HP to power up their blasts or use a variety on spell-like utility powers.

The Warlock Vigilante can also hurl bolts of elemental energy, but unlike the kineticist (who treats his blasts as a spell-like), the warlock treats them as a weapon. The warlock also gets 6 levels of wizard spells and a social identity.

The final option that might be close to what you want is the Card Caster Magus. They get to throw playing cards for damage and can use them to deliver touch attacks too.


Shinoskay wrote:

My DM doesnt like any spell system outside of the basic, so all psionics are a no go, he doesnt like psychic or occult either... but I love the Idea of the Soulbolt and I want something like that, I just cant find anything that isnt the soulbolt.

I will check out the elemental Annihilator, Kinetiscist may work but I dont remember what system they use. Magus is ok but I am not looking for Melee, mostly ranged.

That's really too bad. Psionics is a much better casting system than Vanician.

There's the Eldritch Archer Magus, uses a bow. And, again, Warlcok Vigilante=Mystic Bolts.


thank you

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