Is it a personal attack to tell someone you pity their ignorance?


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The Exchange

What if I fell a few posters are just ignorant of my pity?


Celestial Healer wrote:


This is utter nonsense.

If somebody is overweight and you choose to ridicule them for it, it is insulting even though it is true.

If you mock someone's disability, it is insulting.

It is entirely possible to state the truth and make a personal attack at the same time. Being courteous in one's personal interactions can go a long way.

I respectfully disagree on almost all of your points.

"Overweight" is, in nearly all instances, a choice. You can tell the difference between those for whom it is a choice and those for whom it is a genuine medical condition by whether or not they hide behind it. If you are unable to tell the difference, watch their hands. People with a real medical condition will be using their hands for some sort of exercise, whereas those for whom it is a choice will be whining about their "medical condition" with a Big Mac in their hands.

I should also like to point out that there is a marked difference between stating the truth ("You're overweight because you eat too much bad food and do no exercise."), and outright mockery ("Haha! Look at the fatty!").

Everything you are most likely thinking about me right now IS true...I am vicious, cruel, spiteful, full of hate, consumed by rage, and utterly opportunistic...but I am also fair. And I agree that mocking a person for their disability would make one a douche-nozzle. It's a good thing that this thread ( and my comments) had nothing to do with mockery, and everything to do with truth (which, by the way, plays no favourites, and spares nobody's feelings).

I agree with you when you state the value of courtesy...but I should also like to point out the detrimental effect of coddling people. Our nation as a whole might be a good deal healthier, for instance, if our society didn't coddle the feelings of those who could do something about their condition, and instead subjected them to the ridicule that might motivate them to take useful action to remedy their situation. Peer pressure can sometimes be a very useful motivating factor.

Liberty's Edge

Yes, because ‘I pity your ignorance’ does wonders in motivating people to expand their knowledge.

Scarab Sages

Are we having a pity party?

I pity my poor wallet/bank account. Too many goodies coming from Paizo.

Damn you Paizo!

shakes fist

Liberty's Edge

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Haiku Monster wrote:

Ignorance, I pity.

Yours or anyone else's.
Is that an attack?

I love this guys Haiku!!! God how I've missed these Haiku! Welcome back!


TriOmegaZero wrote:
I pity your ignorance.

Bah! I ignore your pity.

Liberty's Edge

Kortz wrote:

To say you pity someone their ignorance is a way of saying that you do not fear them intellectually.

But usually if someone feels the need to say that they are not afraid of something, they actually are.

So I would see it as less of a personal attack and more of an admission of weakness.

Nice way of looking at it! If you can't say something nice, it's probably because you're ascared. ;)


It's so easy to hide cruelty behind the excuse of truth.

Liberty's Edge

Treppa wrote:
It's so easy to hide cruelty behind the excuse of truth.

*Eyes Treppa with some paranoia*

I never know if she's being sincere or not...

Grand Lodge RPG Superstar 2015 Top 32, RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32

Here, I know how to settle this discussion:

Someone call me ignorant. I'll then report my resulting feelings as accurately and specifically as I can. The matter will be solved for posterity.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure, Rulebook Subscriber
Treppa wrote:
It's so easy to hide cruelty behind the excuse of truth.

So true. So true.


Studpuffin wrote:
Kortz wrote:

To say you pity someone their ignorance is a way of saying that you do not fear them intellectually.

But usually if someone feels the need to say that they are not afraid of something, they actually are.

So I would see it as less of a personal attack and more of an admission of weakness.

Nice way of looking at it! If you can't say something nice, it's probably because you're ascared. ;)

Me am scared of ugly puffin-crows.

Shadow Lodge

Studpuffin wrote:

Also...

Only a Sith deals in absolutes!

That and all generalizations are false.

Rhetorical traps are fun!

Anyway, back to topic -

'Pity' isn't something you say to someone's face without the desire to invoke a negative response from them. 'Ignorance' is middle ground - depending on the context it could go either way.

Liberty's Edge

Ralph Wiggum wrote:
Studpuffin wrote:
Kortz wrote:

To say you pity someone their ignorance is a way of saying that you do not fear them intellectually.

But usually if someone feels the need to say that they are not afraid of something, they actually are.

So I would see it as less of a personal attack and more of an admission of weakness.

Nice way of looking at it! If you can't say something nice, it's probably because you're ascared. ;)
Me am scared of ugly puffin-crows.

Scared like your mama...


Studpuffin wrote:
Ralph Wiggum wrote:
Studpuffin wrote:
Kortz wrote:

To say you pity someone their ignorance is a way of saying that you do not fear them intellectually.

But usually if someone feels the need to say that they are not afraid of something, they actually are.

So I would see it as less of a personal attack and more of an admission of weakness.

Nice way of looking at it! If you can't say something nice, it's probably because you're ascared. ;)
Me am scared of ugly puffin-crows.
Scared like your mama...

Are you my mommy now?

*hug*


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There's a fundamental difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance can be corrected. Stupidity, not so much. I never consider being told I'm ignorant of something as an insult, but rather an opportunity to expand my knowledge.

Sorry to keep dragging this into the realm of the serious.

The Exchange

Yep you can't fix stupid

The Exchange

Not a pill you can take,
not a class you can go to,
Stupid is forever.

Grand Lodge

Haiku Monster wrote:

Ignorance, I pity.

Yours or anyone else's.
Is that an attack?

Very nice, but your first line has 6 syllables.

As for the topic, Id say it can be, depending on the context. The problem is that even in cases where it isnt meant as an attack, it can be taken as one. I may be (to borrow a phrase already used in this thread) a rude git, but really there is only so much you can do to keep people from being offended. If they arent willing to shelter themselves, thats their fault.


Studpuffin wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
I say, bad form! You can't flag him for imitating me!
Come on, I waited all day for someone to take the bait!

Plus, I can't imitate what I can't see.


Studpuffin wrote:

Also...

Only a Sith deals in absolutes!

Yeah, that's because the Jedi are against Fear. Because Fear leads to Anger. Not "might".

Bunch of hypocrites!


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godsDMit wrote:
Haiku Monster wrote:

Ignorance, I pity.

Yours or anyone else's.
Is that an attack?

Very nice, but your first line has 6 syllables.

Normally there is,

better quality control.
A monster is sad.

Liberty's Edge

No majority for the pity.


I pity poverty.

Sieglord wrote:
I respectfully disagree on almost all of your points.

So you're basically saying "I pity your ignorance."

Pay no attention to the goblin behind the curtain.


The question is,

Is A Personal Attack an Evil Act?

Ross will be here to close the thread in 3... 2... 1...

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

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Did anyone make the Mr. T joke yet?

Anyone?

Okay, I'm calling dibs...


too easy; you can have it.


1st page, 5th post.

Sovereign Court

Sebastian wrote:

Did anyone make the Mr. T joke yet?

Anyone?

Okay, I'm calling dibs...

5th post in. You're a bit late, pony boy. ;)

EDIT: dang goblin ninjas.

Liberty's Edge

Can we now pity his ignorance?

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

Damnit. Leave the low hanging fruit for the specially abled.

Also, well played thread, sir puffin.

golf clap

Sovereign Court

Sebastian wrote:

Damnit. Leave the low hanging fruit for the specially abled.

Also, well played thread, sir puffin.

golf clap

I pity your tardiness.

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

Callous Jack wrote:
Sebastian wrote:

Damnit. Leave the low hanging fruit for the specially abled.

Also, well played thread, sir puffin.

golf clap

I pity your tardiness.

I PITY YOUR MOM!!!

Sovereign Court

Sebastian wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Sebastian wrote:

Damnit. Leave the low hanging fruit for the specially abled.

Also, well played thread, sir puffin.

golf clap

I pity your tardiness.
I PITY YOUR MOM!!!

She says hello, by the way.


Your momma, with the gug mouth on top her head, ate her hairweave because she thought it was cotton candy.

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

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Callous Jack wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Sebastian wrote:

Damnit. Leave the low hanging fruit for the specially abled.

Also, well played thread, sir puffin.

golf clap

I pity your tardiness.
I PITY YOUR MOM!!!
She says hello, by the way.

Tell her I say "Hi, Skittles Breath." She'll know what it means.


Sebastian wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Sebastian wrote:

Damnit. Leave the low hanging fruit for the specially abled.

Also, well played thread, sir puffin.

golf clap

I pity your tardiness.
I PITY YOUR MOM!!!

In the face!


Sebastian wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Sebastian wrote:

Damnit. Leave the low hanging fruit for the specially abled.

Also, well played thread, sir puffin.

golf clap

I pity your tardiness.
I PITY YOUR MOM!!!
She says hello, by the way.
Tell her I say "Hi, Skittles Breath." She'll know what it means.

Does your mom still scratch her scalp for bacon bits?

Scarab Sages

Mmmmm....bacon.


I always knew Studpuffin was an insensitive jerk.


Spanky the Leprechaun wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Sebastian wrote:

Damnit. Leave the low hanging fruit for the specially abled.

Also, well played thread, sir puffin.

golf clap

I pity your tardiness.
I PITY YOUR MOM!!!
She says hello, by the way.
Tell her I say "Hi, Skittles Breath." She'll know what it means.
Does your mom still scratch her scalp for bacon bits?

Yes, why do you ask?

Sovereign Court

Sebastian wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Sebastian wrote:
Callous Jack wrote:
Sebastian wrote:

Damnit. Leave the low hanging fruit for the specially abled.

Also, well played thread, sir puffin.

golf clap

I pity your tardiness.
I PITY YOUR MOM!!!
She says hello, by the way.
Tell her I say "Hi, Skittles Breath." She'll know what it means.

She hasn't sat on a rainbow in months...


I tried to ignore this thread but then someone may take pity on me... and tell it to me to my face!

:P

Liberty's Edge

JMD031 wrote:
I always knew Studpuffin was an insensitive jerk.

Thanks,

FLAGGED!!!!!

Liberty's Edge

;)

Sovereign Court

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Studpuffin wrote:
JMD031 wrote:
I always knew Studpuffin was an insensitive jerk.

Thanks,

FLAGGED!!!!!

10 days to reply?

Scarab Sages

Callous Jack wrote:
Studpuffin wrote:
JMD031 wrote:
I always knew Studpuffin was an insensitive jerk.

Thanks,

FLAGGED!!!!!

10 days to reply?

Maybe puffins can't tell time.


Maybe JMD031 meant 'insensible.'


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BARBARIAN AM NOT WANT PITY FOR IGNORANCE. IGNORANCE AM WHY BARBARIAN AWESOME.

SQUISHY PUNCH THROUGH MAGIC WITH LANCE? NO? THAT BECAUSE SQUISHY KNOW NOT POSSIBLE. BARBARIAN ONLY NEED 7 INT; CAN PUNCH MAGIC BECAUSE BARBARIAN NOT KNOW MAGIC NOT SUPPOSED TO WORK THAT WAY.

PITY NOT IGNORANCE. NON-CRAPPY BARBARIAN AM PITY KNOWLEDGE.


Treppa wrote:
Maybe JMD031 meant 'insensible.'

That too.

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