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Liberty's Edge

Well, the presidential debate is hardly the time to waste precious minutes on some sex feud with some third party.


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Ahhhhhh, now it makes sense. He wants to make America GRATE again.


I really feel that the whole thing is creating a culture that views facts and science as subjective and opinion, But what I fear is that it's merely highlighting the culture that is already there.


Oh, it's already there.


I suppose its the number of people in the culture that really disturbs me.

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That number was already high, Vidmaster. The last year and half has just given them confidence to show themselves. It's really the only thing I can point to as a net positive for the Trump candidacy - it's made it very clear to the privileged set just how much further we have to go to achieving social harmony.


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Postmodern thought is centered around the idea that there are no truths, and everything is subjective. This is, of course, utter baloney, but that doesn't stop loud people from preaching it. The problem with it is of course that if someone draws it to its logical conclusion, there is no way to appraise anything that happens - and Trump seems to be doing just that. Hopefully the result is horrifying enough to discredit the idea.


Vidmaster7 wrote:
I really feel that the whole thing is creating a culture that views facts and science as subjective and opinion, But what I fear is that it's merely highlighting the culture that is already there.

As Steven Colbert has said "Truthiness has given way to Trumpiness." It's when you reach the stage when you KNOW the facts are wrong, but don't care anyway because they give you the feeling you want.


CrystalSeas wrote:

If they're in the audience, I wonder if they're prepped to disrupt the debate by standing up and interrupting Clinton with accusations while she's speaking?

I'm sure Trump would love the visual of his supporters being "censored" and removed from the debate.

You can't make this stuff up.

“We were going to put the four women in the VIP box,” Giuliani told the Post. “We had it all set. We wanted to have them shake hands with Bill, to see if Bill would shake hands with them.”

Though Bannon’s prank was shut down by the Commission on Presidential Debates, the debate organizers were not sure if the campaign would actually listen.

The commission threatened to have the women thrown out if the campaign staff tried to do it. The commission members breathed a sigh of relief only when Giuliani took them to other seats, in the front row of a different section.

The stunt, like the surprise press conference earlier in the night, came as a surprise to Republican officials. After the debate, RNC communications director Sean Spicer said that he was “not aware” of the Trump campaign’s plans.


Clinton, during the debate: "OK, Donald. I know you're into big diversion tonight, anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it's exploding and the way Republicans are leaving you. But let's at least focus on some of the issues that people care about tonight. Let's get to their questions."


Billy Bush suspended for all the horrible things Donald Trump said


Knight who says Meh wrote:
Billy Bush suspended for all the horrible things Donald Trump said

Note that the above IS an Onion article.

Best Onion video ever:

How Do Archers Resist Firing Arrows At Everyone In The Spectator Gallery? Sarah Vogel carries it off smashingly well. And it's got lots of numbers and stuff that Pathfinder people love. And do stick for the teaser at the end.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Knight who says Meh wrote:
Billy Bush suspended for all the horrible things Donald Trump said
Note that the above IS an Onion article.

(Still a true story.)


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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
I really feel that the whole thing is creating a culture that views facts and science as subjective and opinion, But what I fear is that it's merely highlighting the culture that is already there.
As Steven Colbert has said "Truthiness has given way to Trumpiness." It's when you reach the stage when you KNOW the facts are wrong, but don't care anyway because they give you the feeling you want.

So, if Trump supporters are forced to reject objective facts often enough, eventually they'll reject reality entirely... and solipsistically self-cease to exist?


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Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
I really feel that the whole thing is creating a culture that views facts and science as subjective and opinion, But what I fear is that it's merely highlighting the culture that is already there.
As Steven Colbert has said "Truthiness has given way to Trumpiness." It's when you reach the stage when you KNOW the facts are wrong, but don't care anyway because they give you the feeling you want.
So, if Trump supporters are forced to reject objective facts often enough, eventually they'll reject reality entirely... and solipsistically self-cease to exist?

That, or they become Signers.

Planescape fans, that one was for you. :)


What is with Trump and the sniffles. Has he been sounding sick at any point between last election and this one?

Stephen Colbert keeps making jokes about Donald being on coke. I am not totally convinced it is a joke.

Actually, that would explain a lot about Trump.

...hmm...

***go-go-gadget google***

Ok, there could be some other possibilities.


Billy Bush is just the first to pay the price of Donald Trump's words. There will be many more careers ended because of him, and that includes his own. After losing to Hillary he will spend the rest of his days fighting lawsuits and slowly descending into his own personal Hell...


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Why would Trump need coke when he has Dr. Feelgood Dr. Bornstein on speed-dial?


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I've heard that his coke dealer's name is Defective Mike.


I saw Defective Mike and the Deviated Septums back in '05. Pretty good improvisational jazz band, it's too bad they got banned from playing in Atlantic City.


Right now I'd kill to get me some Method Man and Bulletproof Love.

Plus you know have the Defenders show up in real life...


Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
I really feel that the whole thing is creating a culture that views facts and science as subjective and opinion, But what I fear is that it's merely highlighting the culture that is already there.
As Steven Colbert has said "Truthiness has given way to Trumpiness." It's when you reach the stage when you KNOW the facts are wrong, but don't care anyway because they give you the feeling you want.
So, if Trump supporters are forced to reject objective facts often enough, eventually they'll reject reality entirely... and solipsistically self-cease to exist?

Now that is optimistic! I approve!

Liberty's Edge

As somebody who sniffles more or less constantly, I'm a bit boggled why it's being constantly referenced. Is everyone else really all that sniffle-resistant??


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Samy wrote:
As somebody who sniffles more or less constantly, I'm a bit boggled why it's being constantly referenced. Is everyone else really all that sniffle-resistant??

I think its just a reaction to him making such a big deal of his opponent getting sick. I assume its them trying to make sure he gets the same criticism as he gives.

Liberty's Edge

Vidmaster7 wrote:
Samy wrote:
As somebody who sniffles more or less constantly, I'm a bit boggled why it's being constantly referenced. Is everyone else really all that sniffle-resistant??
I think its just a reaction to him making such a big deal of his opponent getting sick. I assume its them trying to make sure he gets the same criticism as he gives.

No... it really is just that he seems to sniffle an awful lot. Compare to Clinton in the debates;

Clinton - Maybe one sorta kinda possible 'sniffle' per night?
Trump - Roughly five words per sniffle

Samy, have you seen a doctor about that?


CBDunkerson wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
Samy wrote:
As somebody who sniffles more or less constantly, I'm a bit boggled why it's being constantly referenced. Is everyone else really all that sniffle-resistant??
I think its just a reaction to him making such a big deal of his opponent getting sick. I assume its them trying to make sure he gets the same criticism as he gives.

No... it really is just that he seems to sniffle an awful lot. Compare to Clinton in the debates;

Clinton - Maybe one sorta kinda possible 'sniffle' per night?
Trump - Roughly five words per sniffle

Samy, have you seen a doctor about that?

A comedienne on Twitter commented that Trump sniffs when he smells his pants are on fire.

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Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
CBDunkerson wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
Samy wrote:
As somebody who sniffles more or less constantly, I'm a bit boggled why it's being constantly referenced. Is everyone else really all that sniffle-resistant??
I think its just a reaction to him making such a big deal of his opponent getting sick. I assume its them trying to make sure he gets the same criticism as he gives.

No... it really is just that he seems to sniffle an awful lot. Compare to Clinton in the debates;

Clinton - Maybe one sorta kinda possible 'sniffle' per night?
Trump - Roughly five words per sniffle

Samy, have you seen a doctor about that?

A comedienne on Twitter commented that Trump sniffs when he smells his pants are on fire.

Or he's so full of shit at this point even he's noticing the smell from leakage.

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At this point at least three celebrities and a couple politicians (some of whom are experts on the subject) are swearing coke sniffles.


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Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
At this point at least three celebrities and a couple politicians (some of whom are experts on the subject) are swearing coke sniffles.

I'm not ruling it out entirely, but I don't think it's coke or another illegal drug. Trump lost his brother to alcoholism, and is supposed a teetotaler because of it; I can't see him using illegal drugs.

But... he does have Dr. Bornstein. Trump does strike me as another rich dude who thinks there's nothing wrong with pharmacological "help", pick-me-ups or something-to-help-me-sleep, as long as they're prescribed by a doctor. Bornstein fibbed about Trump's height, stating he's 1 inch taller, which pushed Trump from "obese" down to "overweight" on the body-mass index. I can't see him putting up much fight if Trump pushed him for prescribed-equivalents to uppers or downers. At least some of those medications would likely affect his nasal membranes (dryness, itchiness, decongestion, etc.)


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Why do I get more interesting info about politics out of gaming forums then the news?

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8 of 14 of his golf ventures "measured up," as did 5 of 13 of his media ventures, as did one of his 7 consumer goods ventures (the Trump Signature Collection of menswear).

With 'generous' frontal pouch, and two vents, for easier access 'when you just gotta make a move'.


Farael the Fallen wrote:
Billy Bush is just the first to pay the price of Donald Trump's words. There will be many more careers ended because of him, and that includes his own. After losing to Hillary he will spend the rest of his days fighting lawsuits and slowly descending into his own personal Hell...

Rudy Guiliani has been one of his biggest cheerleaders. Trump goes down I am going to guess he will become a pariah to his own party.


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In the debate, Trump tried to claim that other wealthy individuals, like Warren Buffet, took the kinds of deductions he did.

Buffet disagrees.


CBDunkerson wrote:
Vidmaster7 wrote:
Samy wrote:
As somebody who sniffles more or less constantly, I'm a bit boggled why it's being constantly referenced. Is everyone else really all that sniffle-resistant??
I think its just a reaction to him making such a big deal of his opponent getting sick. I assume its them trying to make sure he gets the same criticism as he gives.

No... it really is just that he seems to sniffle an awful lot. Compare to Clinton in the debates;

Clinton - Maybe one sorta kinda possible 'sniffle' per night?
Trump - Roughly five words per sniffle

Samy, have you seen a doctor about that?

I hardly noticed the sniffles. Was too busy being creeped out by the way he was stalking her all over the townhall stage.


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Vidmaster7 wrote:
Why do I get more interesting info about politics out of gaming forums then the news?

We have more experience dealing with something as weird as donald trump, and know immediately to try using every energy type we can and every obscure alchemical element we can.


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Snowblind wrote:

What is with Trump and the sniffles. Has he been sounding sick at any point between last election and this one?

Stephen Colbert keeps making jokes about Donald being on coke. I am not totally convinced it is a joke.

Actually, that would explain a lot about Trump.

...hmm...

***go-go-gadget google***

Ok, there could be some other possibilities.

Carry Fisher, when asked if it was coke

"I'm and expert, & ABSOLUTELY"

Silver Crusade

Caineach wrote:
Snowblind wrote:

What is with Trump and the sniffles. Has he been sounding sick at any point between last election and this one?

Stephen Colbert keeps making jokes about Donald being on coke. I am not totally convinced it is a joke.

Actually, that would explain a lot about Trump.

...hmm...

***go-go-gadget google***

Ok, there could be some other possibilities.

Carrie Fisher, when asked if it was coke

"I'm and expert, & ABSOLUTELY"

Bless this woman.


"Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!" -Trump's Twitter account

Every poll, huh?

Silver Crusade

The man and many of his devotees are pazzo.


Rednal wrote:

"Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!" -Trump's Twitter account

Every poll, huh?

This man stands in the eye of a swirling hurricane of truthiness trumpiness

Yes, every poll. Every single one.


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Rednal wrote:

"Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!" -Trump's Twitter account

Every poll, huh?

He also had a graphic citing a bunch of the totally unscientific online polls that he won, from such respected polling organizations as Breitbart, Drudge, Local 4 Detroit, and Fox 5 San Diego. He's like a terrible movie that has to fill its ads with quotes like "Best film of the year!" - Tom Wilson, Omaha Weekly Shopper.

Silver Crusade

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Matt Filla wrote:
Rednal wrote:

"Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!" -Trump's Twitter account

Every poll, huh?

He also had a graphic citing a bunch of the totally unscientific online polls that he won, from such respected polling organizations as Breitbart, Drudge, Local 4 Detroit, and Fox 5 San Diego. He's like a terrible movie that has to fill its ads with quotes like "Best film of the year!" - Tom Wilson, Omaha Weekly Shopper.

Don't forget the tactic of omitting parts of the review, "Best ... Performance ever" - credible source

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Rysky wrote:
Matt Filla wrote:
Rednal wrote:

"Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!" -Trump's Twitter account

Every poll, huh?

He also had a graphic citing a bunch of the totally unscientific online polls that he won, from such respected polling organizations as Breitbart, Drudge, Local 4 Detroit, and Fox 5 San Diego. He's like a terrible movie that has to fill its ads with quotes like "Best film of the year!" - Tom Wilson, Omaha Weekly Shopper.
Don't forget the tactic of omitting parts of the review, "Best ... Performance ever" - credible source

Nonsense, poppycock, and rubbish. I, David Manning, am the official poll researcher for the Trump Campaign.


Vidmaster7 wrote:
Why do I get more interesting info about politics out of gaming forums then the news?

Not to be rude or harsh, but because you need to diversify where you get your news from and how to do research on topics you hear about?

I like using the AP website and checking the raw news. 90% of news media is based off of AP reports so you get closer to the source that way.

BBC is another main source site as they also still have a world wide reporting netword; NPR is a good third.

Next you want a good aggregation site (strangely I like Fark.com) and several professional industry level news services.

Double check ownerships and track media corporation relationships (for example clearwater and iheart radio are huge and diverse in the stations they own and a bit chummy with each other).


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I think the reason we get more info about politics is because in our games, politics tend to lead to revolutions, death and beheadings. These days...not so much.


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Samy wrote:
As somebody who sniffles more or less constantly, I'm a bit boggled why it's being constantly referenced. Is everyone else really all that sniffle-resistant??

I mostly talk about it because it's a meme.

Honestly, the guy is traveling the country constantly and shaking people's hands. I'd be surprised if he didn't pick up a little bug here and there. Really, nothing to talk about.

Except for the fact that the man is a ridiculous buffoon who continues to try to hammer his opponent based on her health.


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Irontruth wrote:
Samy wrote:
As somebody who sniffles more or less constantly, I'm a bit boggled why it's being constantly referenced. Is everyone else really all that sniffle-resistant??

I mostly talk about it because it's a meme.

Honestly, the guy is traveling the country constantly and shaking people's hands. I'd be surprised if he didn't pick up a little bug here and there. Really, nothing to talk about.

Except for the fact that the man is a ridiculous buffoon who continues to try to hammer his opponent based on her health.

It also helps that he's a germaphobe.


Trump promises to finally take the gloves off in the third and last debate with Hillary. This time he really means it. He's not messing around this time. Yep.


I mean, what does he have left to lose at this point? Might as well abandon all sense of decency and REALLY turn the Trumpiness up to 11.


Well, he spent basically the whole second debate lying and attacking her for anything and everything. I'm... actually slightly worried about him trumping himself (heh).

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