paizo.com Recent Posts in adamantine rule discrepancypaizo.com Recent Posts in adamantine rule discrepancy2016-09-23T19:31:50Z2016-09-23T19:31:50ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyLorewalkerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#982016-10-14T20:05:35Z2016-10-14T20:05:35Z<p>Really wish it subtracted... but eh. Glad to have this one answered!</p>Really wish it subtracted... but eh. Glad to have this one answered!Lorewalker2016-10-14T20:05:35ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyAzothathhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#972016-10-14T19:51:05Z2016-10-14T19:51:05Z<p>yay!
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except you might want to use this link to the <a href="http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9v1n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">CRB FAQ</a></p>
<p>I wonder if this means there are adamantine golems in our future? ack! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FPELc1wEvk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> runaway! runaway!</a></p>yay!
except you might want to use this link to the CRB FAQ
I wonder if this means there are adamantine golems in our future? ack! runaway! runaway!Azothath2016-10-14T19:51:05ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyTriOmegaZerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#962016-10-14T19:19:58Z2016-10-14T19:19:58Z<p>Huzzah!</p>Huzzah!TriOmegaZero2016-10-14T19:19:58ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyPathfinder Design Team (Official Rules Response)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#952018-07-22T20:33:52Z2016-10-14T19:19:05Z<p><a href="http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9v1n" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Answered in FAQ.</a></p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">FAQ wrote:</div><blockquote><p><b>Adamantine: Adamantine says it bypasses hardness less than 20, but hardness says adamantine bypasses hardness of 20 or less. Which one should I use?</b>
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Use “less than 20” from the adamantine entry. Adamantine, which has 20 hardness, is strong enough to stand against adamantine (this is also why adamantine armor provides DR/— rather than DR/adamantine). </blockquote><p>Answered in FAQ.
FAQ wrote:Adamantine: Adamantine says it bypasses hardness less than 20, but hardness says adamantine bypasses hardness of 20 or less. Which one should I use?
Use “less than 20” from the adamantine entry. Adamantine, which has 20 hardness, is strong enough to stand against adamantine (this is also why adamantine armor provides DR/— rather than DR/adamantine).Pathfinder Design Team (Official Rules Response)2016-10-14T19:19:05ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancywraithstrike (alias of concerro)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#942016-09-23T19:11:11Z2016-09-23T19:11:11Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">TriOmegaZero wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Just another case of Paizo inheriting something from 3.5 and not everything crossing over well. </p>
<p>Edit: Even worse, a change that brought more ambiguity.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">3.5 Adamantine Golem wrote:</div><blockquote><p><b>Construction</b>
</p>
An adamantine golem’s body is sculpted from 45,000 pounds of pure iron and is then polymorphed into adamantine (using wish).</blockquote></blockquote><p>I like the 3.5 construction rule description better. It was an adamantine golem that was more than 5% adamantine. It also would have gotten rid of Paizo's flavor text that tried to limit how much adamantine was on the planet before someone had to travel to another planet or plane to get the rest of it.TriOmegaZero wrote:Just another case of Paizo inheriting something from 3.5 and not everything crossing over well.
Edit: Even worse, a change that brought more ambiguity.
3.5 Adamantine Golem wrote:Construction
An adamantine golem’s body is sculpted from 45,000 pounds of pure iron and is then polymorphed into adamantine (using wish).
I like the 3.5 construction rule description better. It was an adamantine golem that was more than 5% adamantine. It also would have gotten rid of Paizo's...wraithstrike (alias of concerro)2016-09-23T19:11:11ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyMurdock Mudeater (alias of paxmiles)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#932016-09-23T18:54:59Z2016-09-23T18:54:59Z<p>Sake of arguement. When making a tank in the modern era, we layer the metals. The Hull of a tank isn't just one metal in a thick slab. This is because, like in pathfinder, the hardness of the metal doesn't increase beyond a certain thickness. So they layer the metals to take advantage of each metal's properties. </p>
<p>Given the spell immunity of golems, I've always assumed a fair amount of lead goes into each golem.</p>Sake of arguement. When making a tank in the modern era, we layer the metals. The Hull of a tank isn't just one metal in a thick slab. This is because, like in pathfinder, the hardness of the metal doesn't increase beyond a certain thickness. So they layer the metals to take advantage of each metal's properties.
Given the spell immunity of golems, I've always assumed a fair amount of lead goes into each golem.Murdock Mudeater (alias of paxmiles)2016-09-23T18:54:59ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyTriOmegaZerohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#922016-09-22T16:49:35Z2016-09-22T16:49:35Z<p>Just another case of Paizo inheriting something from 3.5 and not everything crossing over well. </p>
<p>Edit: Even worse, a change that brought more ambiguity.</p>
<div class="messageboard-quotee">3.5 Adamantine Golem wrote:</div><blockquote><p><b>Construction</b>
</p>
An adamantine golem’s body is sculpted from 45,000 pounds of pure iron and is then polymorphed into adamantine (using wish).</blockquote><p>Just another case of Paizo inheriting something from 3.5 and not everything crossing over well.
Edit: Even worse, a change that brought more ambiguity.
3.5 Adamantine Golem wrote:Construction
An adamantine golem’s body is sculpted from 45,000 pounds of pure iron and is then polymorphed into adamantine (using wish).TriOmegaZero2016-09-22T16:49:35ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancywraithstrike (alias of concerro)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#912016-09-22T16:29:08Z2016-09-22T16:29:08Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">CBDunkerson wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Snowblind wrote:</div><blockquote>That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem being made primarily of Adamantine, and is one of the prime reasons many people think it <i>shouldn't</i> count as Adamantine for the purpose of things like attacks. </blockquote>Are there really <b>"many"</b> people who don't believe Adamantine Golems count as adamantine? If so, how depressing. </blockquote><p>Before I read the actual writeup I assumed it could It could have been an oversight on Paizo's part for not spelling it out so RAI could say it does, but the actual words don't support it.
<p>In my games it will overcome hardness less than 20, but I can't say for sure that Paizo didn't just create it and never thought how it affected objects, because creatures don't normally attack objects. They normally attack PC's.</p>CBDunkerson wrote:Snowblind wrote:That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem being made primarily of Adamantine, and is one of the prime reasons many people think it shouldn't count as Adamantine for the purpose of things like attacks.
Are there really "many" people who don't believe Adamantine Golems count as adamantine? If so, how depressing. Before I read the actual writeup I assumed it could It could have been an oversight on Paizo's part for not spelling it out so RAI could say it does,...wraithstrike (alias of concerro)2016-09-22T16:29:08ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyVatrashttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#902016-09-22T16:23:56Z2016-09-22T16:23:56Z<p>It poses the same problem as taking home the doors to Moria and living happily off the profits. </p>
<p>But rest assured, if you ever have the misfortune to meet the adamantine golem in one of my campaigns, it will be made of pure adamantium. And overcome your puny DR, whatever type it may be ;)</p>It poses the same problem as taking home the doors to Moria and living happily off the profits.
But rest assured, if you ever have the misfortune to meet the adamantine golem in one of my campaigns, it will be made of pure adamantium. And overcome your puny DR, whatever type it may be ;)Vatras2016-09-22T16:23:56ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyCBDunkersonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#892016-09-23T20:23:43Z2016-09-22T13:12:45Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Snowblind wrote:</div><blockquote>That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem being made primarily of Adamantine, and is one of the prime reasons many people think it <i>shouldn't</i> count as Adamantine for the purpose of things like attacks. </blockquote><p>Are there really <b>"many"</b> people who don't believe Adamantine Golems count as adamantine? If so, how depressing.Snowblind wrote:That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem being made primarily of Adamantine, and is one of the prime reasons many people think it shouldn't count as Adamantine for the purpose of things like attacks.
Are there really "many" people who don't believe Adamantine Golems count as adamantine? If so, how depressing.CBDunkerson2016-09-22T13:12:45ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancySnowblindhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#882016-09-22T12:55:47Z2016-09-22T12:12:13Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Java Man wrote:</div><blockquote><p> The 300gp per pound for adamantine comes from the trade goods listing imultimate equipment. Odd to me that platinum is costs more by the pound.</p>
<p>And on the original discussion, the adamantine bullet in u combat is described as bypassimg hardness of 20 or less, more weight for the inclusive ruling. </blockquote><p>IIRC, the expense of Adamantine gear is because of how difficult it is to work into a useful shape. Mithril is actually quite a bit rarer, and Platinum probably is too given that they both cost the same per pound.Java Man wrote:The 300gp per pound for adamantine comes from the trade goods listing imultimate equipment. Odd to me that platinum is costs more by the pound.
And on the original discussion, the adamantine bullet in u combat is described as bypassimg hardness of 20 or less, more weight for the inclusive ruling.
IIRC, the expense of Adamantine gear is because of how difficult it is to work into a useful shape. Mithril is actually quite a bit rarer, and Platinum probably is too given that...Snowblind2016-09-22T12:12:13ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyJava Manhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#872016-09-22T08:44:50Z2016-09-22T08:44:50Z<p>The 300gp per pound for adamantine comes from the trade goods listing imultimate equipment. Odd to me that platinum is costs more by the pound.</p>
<p>And on the original discussion, the adamantine bullet in u combat is described as bypassimg hardness of 20 or less, more weight for the inclusive ruling.</p>The 300gp per pound for adamantine comes from the trade goods listing imultimate equipment. Odd to me that platinum is costs more by the pound.
And on the original discussion, the adamantine bullet in u combat is described as bypassimg hardness of 20 or less, more weight for the inclusive ruling.Java Man2016-09-22T08:44:50ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancywraithstrike (alias of concerro)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#862016-09-22T07:46:33Z2016-09-22T07:46:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Pink Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Snowblind wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Pink Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote> James Jacob's post linked in the above post references the picture of the Adamantine Golem for the color of adamantine, reinforcing the idea that the outside of said golem is adamantine. </blockquote>Shame that the text for the Adamantine Golem puts an upper bound of (IIRC) around 6% adamantine due to the metal's extreme cost (and this is an absolute maximum, it could easily be closer to 1%). That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem being made primarily of Adamantine, and is one of the prime reasons many people think it <i>shouldn't</i> count as Adamantine for the purpose of things like attacks. </blockquote>I don't see where this calculation comes from, or whether it is even relevant. </blockquote><p>It matters because names alone, much like flavor dont mean much when it comes to the rules.
<p>There is not a lot of adamantine in that golem going by percentages, despite the name. </p>
<p>The numbers are likely from the creation line where it tells you the materials that are needed to make it. You can get the weight range of a creature from the rules. </p>
<p>Not official numbers—>So if a creature weighs 50K pounds at a minimum, and it only has 1000 pounds of ____ at most then at best it is 5% of _____. </p>
<p>It is akin to me selling you a "gold watch" that is largely "not gold".</p>
<p>PS: I still agree with you from a rules perspective. I am just explaining why it matters.</p>Pink Dragon wrote:Snowblind wrote: Pink Dragon wrote: James Jacob's post linked in the above post references the picture of the Adamantine Golem for the color of adamantine, reinforcing the idea that the outside of said golem is adamantine.
Shame that the text for the Adamantine Golem puts an upper bound of (IIRC) around 6% adamantine due to the metal's extreme cost (and this is an absolute maximum, it could easily be closer to 1%). That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem being made...wraithstrike (alias of concerro)2016-09-22T07:46:33ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyPink Dragonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#852016-09-22T03:17:23Z2016-09-22T03:17:23Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Snowblind wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Pink Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Snowblind wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Pink Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote> James Jacob's post linked in the above post references the picture of the Adamantine Golem for the color of adamantine, reinforcing the idea that the outside of said golem is adamantine. </blockquote>Shame that the text for the Adamantine Golem puts an upper bound of (IIRC) around 6% adamantine due to the metal's extreme cost (and this is an absolute maximum, it could easily be closer to 1%). That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem being made primarily of Adamantine, and is one of the prime reasons many people think it <i>shouldn't</i> count as Adamantine for the purpose of things like attacks. </blockquote>I don't see where this calculation comes from, or whether it is even relevant. </blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">Adamantine Golem wrote:</div><blockquote>A adamantine golem’s body is made of more than <b>4,000 pounds</b> of <b>adamantine</b>, mithral, gold, platinum, and other metals worth a total of <b>100,000 gp</b>.</blockquote><p>Even if we assume that the Golem weighs exactly 4,000lb and that its entire materials fund goes into Adamantine (at 300gp/lb) with the rest of the metal being <i>free</i> (i.e. no mithral, gold, platinum or anything else that sucks up Adamantine funds), the Golem can have <i>at most</i> <b>8.33%</b> adamantine by weight.
<p>If we assume something a little less generous and use 8000lb total weight, along with equal parts mithral, gold, platinum and adamantine, the number comes out to be just short of 1% adamantine by weight. </blockquote><p>Thanks for the calculation. Do you have a rules cite for the 300 gp/lb for adamantine?
<p>Even so, whether it makes any rules difference on the effect of an adamantine golem is another story.</p>
<p>Running with this calculation, the 8.33% adamantine could be assumed to be mostly outer shell, which is probably significantly more compositional mass than an adamantine weapon blanche on a weapon, and is furthermore integrated as part of the body of he golem rather than as a patina overlaid afterwards. If we make this assumption, then the adamantine golem could overcome at least 19 hardness, if not 20 hardness depending on the way you want to rule on the OP's question.</p>
<p>Many will say that none of this based on the "RAW", but anyone who wants to make a case for their particular game can follow the logic based on the descriptive text, provided they are willing to accept the assumptions.</p>Snowblind wrote:Pink Dragon wrote: Snowblind wrote: Pink Dragon wrote: James Jacob's post linked in the above post references the picture of the Adamantine Golem for the color of adamantine, reinforcing the idea that the outside of said golem is adamantine.
Shame that the text for the Adamantine Golem puts an upper bound of (IIRC) around 6% adamantine due to the metal's extreme cost (and this is an absolute maximum, it could easily be closer to 1%). That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem...Pink Dragon2016-09-22T03:17:23ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancySnowblindhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#842016-10-22T21:59:22Z2016-09-22T02:06:22Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Pink Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Snowblind wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Pink Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote> James Jacob's post linked in the above post references the picture of the Adamantine Golem for the color of adamantine, reinforcing the idea that the outside of said golem is adamantine. </blockquote>Shame that the text for the Adamantine Golem puts an upper bound of (IIRC) around 6% adamantine due to the metal's extreme cost (and this is an absolute maximum, it could easily be closer to 1%). That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem being made primarily of Adamantine, and is one of the prime reasons many people think it <i>shouldn't</i> count as Adamantine for the purpose of things like attacks. </blockquote>I don't see where this calculation comes from, or whether it is even relevant. </blockquote><div class="messageboard-quotee">Adamantine Golem wrote:</div><blockquote>A adamantine golem’s body is made of more than <b>4,000 pounds</b> of <b>adamantine</b>, mithral, gold, platinum, and other metals worth a total of <b>100,000 gp</b>.</blockquote><p>Even if we assume that the Golem weighs exactly 4,000lb and that its entire materials fund goes into Adamantine (at 300gp/lb) with the rest of the metal being <i>free</i> (i.e. no mithral, gold, platinum or anything else that sucks up Adamantine funds), the Golem can have <i>at most</i> <b>8.33%</b> adamantine by weight.
<p>If we assume something a little less generous and use 8000lb total weight, along with equal parts mithral, gold, platinum and adamantine, the number comes out to be just short of 1% adamantine by weight.</p>Pink Dragon wrote:Snowblind wrote: Pink Dragon wrote: James Jacob's post linked in the above post references the picture of the Adamantine Golem for the color of adamantine, reinforcing the idea that the outside of said golem is adamantine.
Shame that the text for the Adamantine Golem puts an upper bound of (IIRC) around 6% adamantine due to the metal's extreme cost (and this is an absolute maximum, it could easily be closer to 1%). That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem being made...Snowblind2016-09-22T02:06:22ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyDrahliana Moonrunnerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#832016-09-22T02:02:36Z2016-09-22T02:02:36Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Java Man wrote:</div><blockquote> I see nothing to indicate that an adamantine golem overcomes hardness. </blockquote><p>Considering that you generally sock them on the wizard first, it's not a problem.Java Man wrote:I see nothing to indicate that an adamantine golem overcomes hardness.
Considering that you generally sock them on the wizard first, it's not a problem.Drahliana Moonrunner2016-09-22T02:02:36ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyPink Dragonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#822016-09-22T01:53:37Z2016-09-22T01:53:37Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Snowblind wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Pink Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote> James Jacob's post linked in the above post references the picture of the Adamantine Golem for the color of adamantine, reinforcing the idea that the outside of said golem is adamantine. </blockquote>Shame that the text for the Adamantine Golem puts an upper bound of (IIRC) around 6% adamantine due to the metal's extreme cost (and this is an absolute maximum, it could easily be closer to 1%). That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem being made primarily of Adamantine, and is one of the prime reasons many people think it <i>shouldn't</i> count as Adamantine for the purpose of things like attacks. </blockquote><p>I don't see where this calculation comes from, or whether it is even relevant.Snowblind wrote:Pink Dragon wrote: James Jacob's post linked in the above post references the picture of the Adamantine Golem for the color of adamantine, reinforcing the idea that the outside of said golem is adamantine.
Shame that the text for the Adamantine Golem puts an upper bound of (IIRC) around 6% adamantine due to the metal's extreme cost (and this is an absolute maximum, it could easily be closer to 1%). That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem being made primarily of Adamantine,...Pink Dragon2016-09-22T01:53:37ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancySnowblindhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#812016-10-22T19:56:22Z2016-09-22T01:46:30Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Pink Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote> James Jacob's post linked in the above post references the picture of the Adamantine Golem for the color of adamantine, reinforcing the idea that the outside of said golem is adamantine. </blockquote><p>Shame that the text for the Adamantine Golem puts an upper bound of (IIRC) around 6% adamantine due to the metal's extreme cost (and this is an absolute maximum, it could easily be closer to 1%). That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem being made primarily of Adamantine, and is one of the prime reasons many people think it <i>shouldn't</i> count as Adamantine for the purpose of things like attacks.Pink Dragon wrote:James Jacob's post linked in the above post references the picture of the Adamantine Golem for the color of adamantine, reinforcing the idea that the outside of said golem is adamantine.
Shame that the text for the Adamantine Golem puts an upper bound of (IIRC) around 6% adamantine due to the metal's extreme cost (and this is an absolute maximum, it could easily be closer to 1%). That puts a bit of a damper on the Golem being made primarily of Adamantine, and is one of the...Snowblind2016-09-22T01:46:30ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyPink Dragonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#802016-09-22T01:34:38Z2016-09-22T01:34:38Z<p>James Jacob's post linked in the above post references the picture of the Adamantine Golem for the color of adamantine, reinforcing the idea that the outside of said golem is adamantine.</p>James Jacob's post linked in the above post references the picture of the Adamantine Golem for the color of adamantine, reinforcing the idea that the outside of said golem is adamantine.Pink Dragon2016-09-22T01:34:38ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyPink Dragonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#792016-09-22T01:29:19Z2016-09-22T01:29:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Knight who says Meh wrote:</div><blockquote> Adamantine is black? </blockquote><p>This <a href="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2qt6p?What-Color-is-Adamantine#30" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">post</a> by James Jacobs has it as flat black. I can find no Pathfinder book source for the color.Knight who says Meh wrote:Adamantine is black?
This post by James Jacobs has it as flat black. I can find no Pathfinder book source for the color.Pink Dragon2016-09-22T01:29:19ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyKnight who says Mehhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#782016-09-22T00:36:55Z2016-09-22T00:36:55Z<p>Adamantine is black?</p>Adamantine is black?Knight who says Meh2016-09-22T00:36:55ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyswooshhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#772016-09-21T23:55:43Z2016-09-21T23:55:43Z<p>This reminds me of the "Iron golems are unaffected by rust monsters" fiasco.</p>This reminds me of the "Iron golems are unaffected by rust monsters" fiasco.swoosh2016-09-21T23:55:43ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyPink Dragonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#762016-09-22T08:06:34Z2016-09-21T22:41:55Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">MeanMutton wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Pink Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote><p> "Even if that was an area for rules the metal being black just means the creature is all black. It says nothing that has an impact on the rules."</p>
<p>Any one actually arguing this is just being silly. Clearly the black metal is adamantine. </blockquote>Wait, you're honestly suggesting that someone saying "a creature is black so therefore it is made of adamantine" is NOT the one being silly in this exchange? REALLY? </blockquote><p>When the creature is an adamantine golem, thinking that the black metal is adamantine is a logical and obvious conclusion.MeanMutton wrote:Pink Dragon wrote:"Even if that was an area for rules the metal being black just means the creature is all black. It says nothing that has an impact on the rules."
Any one actually arguing this is just being silly. Clearly the black metal is adamantine.
Wait, you're honestly suggesting that someone saying "a creature is black so therefore it is made of adamantine" is NOT the one being silly in this exchange? REALLY? When the creature is an adamantine golem, thinking that...Pink Dragon2016-09-21T22:41:55ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyThe Sideromancerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#752016-09-21T21:47:46Z2016-09-21T21:47:46Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">MeanMutton wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Pink Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote><p> "Even if that was an area for rules the metal being black just means the creature is all black. It says nothing that has an impact on the rules."</p>
<p>Any one actually arguing this is just being silly. Clearly the black metal is adamantine. </blockquote>Wait, you're honestly suggesting that someone saying "a creature is black so therefore it is made of adamantine" is NOT the one being silly in this exchange? REALLY? </blockquote><p>Black paint will become the most sought-after commodity in Golarion, so I suggest you invest in it now.MeanMutton wrote:Pink Dragon wrote:"Even if that was an area for rules the metal being black just means the creature is all black. It says nothing that has an impact on the rules."
Any one actually arguing this is just being silly. Clearly the black metal is adamantine.
Wait, you're honestly suggesting that someone saying "a creature is black so therefore it is made of adamantine" is NOT the one being silly in this exchange? REALLY? Black paint will become the most sought-after commodity in...The Sideromancer2016-09-21T21:47:46ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: adamantine rule discrepancyMeanMuttonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2twte&page=2?adamantine-rule-discrepancy#742016-09-21T21:32:58Z2016-09-21T21:32:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Pink Dragon wrote:</div><blockquote><p> "Even if that was an area for rules the metal being black just means the creature is all black. It says nothing that has an impact on the rules."</p>
<p>Any one actually arguing this is just being silly. Clearly the black metal is adamantine. </blockquote><p>Wait, you're honestly suggesting that someone saying "a creature is black so therefore it is made of adamantine" is NOT the one being silly in this exchange? REALLY?Pink Dragon wrote:"Even if that was an area for rules the metal being black just means the creature is all black. It says nothing that has an impact on the rules."
Any one actually arguing this is just being silly. Clearly the black metal is adamantine.
Wait, you're honestly suggesting that someone saying "a creature is black so therefore it is made of adamantine" is NOT the one being silly in this exchange? REALLY?MeanMutton2016-09-21T21:32:58Z