Tiefling and Oversized limbs question


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I was planning on making a tiefling that had the Oversized limbs optional ability... which lets you use large weapons without penalty, but while my DM will let me pick that instead of rolling randomly on the chart, he says it wont let me use large weapons.... am i missing something here? He says i could take a 2ish lvl dip into the fighter or barbarian titan mauler archetypes and then i could use em, but isnt that pointless?

What am i missing?


Nothing. Your GM wants to limit your power. I have seen the feat and it states you can use large weapons without penalty. He probably would pull something even if you took Titan Mauler.

Liberty's Edge

A large sized one handed weapon still needs to be wielded in 2 hands when wielded by a medium sized character, even if you don't take the penalty to attack from wielding a weapon that's inappropriate for your size. And a large sized two handed weapon is still impossible to wield, unless you take an archetype that allows you to do so.


Not in this case. Oversized limbs allows you to use a large weapon one handed without penalty. It's similar to the Half Giant race they are medium but can use large sized weapons without penalty. I've read the feat it states it clearly.


It can be interpreted as in it allows you to use a large sized 2h weapon in 2 hands, or that it allows you to use a large 1h weapon in one hand.

Personal recommendation. Get a Large Bastard Sword. You can use it one handed even if it's large if you have the proficiency, or just use it 2h. He can't BS you on that.


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yes to be clear, you take a -2 to-hit when wielding something not your size, however, the weapon's handedness also increases by 1 step if it's too large, or decreases by 1 step if it is too small(and additional steps of movement for every degree it moves beyond this).

So a large 1-hand can be wielded as a 2 handed weapon by you without penalty.

You need additional class abilities to allow you to wield the weapon 1 step outside your character's comfort zone.

enter the >Titan Fighter<


We are playing giantslayer which is why i want to go with this. All those large weapons the are dropped are useless in terms of normal uses so i wanted to make use of them. I want to go tower shield specialist fighter and use 1 handed large weapons, or maybe just a vanilla fighter..... but the main goal is sword and board. The DM does not allow dual archetyping in the same class or else i would just go that route.

Liberty's Edge

The change in handedness isn't a penalty. It may be detrimental to a character if you can no longer wield the weapon, but it is just a change in the classification for the weapon. Case in point, a large dagger becomes a one handed weapon for a medium character, who can now wield the weapon with 2 hands for strength and power attack damage, so the change isn't a detriment.

Taking a -2 to attack for the weapon being the wrong size is a penalty however. With oversized limbs you don't take these. Best use is a large sized bastards sword used 2 handed for 2d8 damage with no attack penalty.


Dwarftr wrote:
We are playing giantslayer which is why i want to go with this. All those large weapons the are dropped are useless in terms of normal uses so i wanted to make use of them. I want to go tower shield specialist fighter and use 1 handed large weapons, or maybe just a vanilla fighter..... but the main goal is sword and board. The DM does not allow dual archetyping in the same class or else i would just go that route.

Your DM doesn't allow you to take multiple archetypes that should normally stack? Stupid.

Anyway as I mentioned earlier, go with a Large Bastard Sword, pick up EWP and you can use it 1h.


Handedness shouldn't increase for the same reason redcaps go around wielding medium sized two-handers in two hands (which has the same ability as the tiefling ability except it's for medium weapons rather than large).

By the rules, your character should be able to wield large weapons in the same fashion as a large character (light=light, one-handed=one-handed, two-handed=two-handed).


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what annoys me in this game is how hard it is to wield a two-hander in one hand of your own size...

as for actual rules

Quote:

Inappropriately Sized Weapons: A creature can't make optimum use of a weapon that isn't properly sized for it. A cumulative –2 penalty applies on attack rolls for each size category of difference between the size of its intended wielder and the size of its actual wielder. If the creature isn't proficient with the weapon, a –4 nonproficiency penalty also applies.

The measure of how much effort it takes to use a weapon (whether the weapon is designated as a light, one-handed, or two-handed weapon for a particular wielder) is altered by one step for each size category of difference between the wielder's size and the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed. For example, a Small creature would wield a Medium one-handed weapon as a two-handed weapon. If a weapon's designation would be changed to something other than light, one-handed, or two-handed by this alteration, the creature can't wield the weapon at all.

also, surprise surprise, the old FAQ and titan mauler were changed/removed.

so looks like all my annoyances have been removed...


Titan Mauler Barbarian is the class for this adventure path. As they gain levels they remove penalties for large and larger weapons.


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In game terms, wielding a larger weapon "without penalty" also applies to the "penalty" of changing the effort category of the weapon. So a Medium Tiefling with Oversized Limbs would wield a Large Greatsword as if it were a Medium Greatsword; that is, he takes neither a penalty to his attack roll nor does he consider it unwieldable. Likewise, if you were to pick a Large Longsword, it would still be wielded one-handed. If you look at the Redcap, it is a Small Fey that has an ability worded functionally the same to Oversized Limbs, save that instead of referring to Large weapons, it refers to Medium weapons since Medium would be one size bigger compared to a Small Fey. The Redcap is shown as having a Medium Scythe as its weapon which, if "without penalty" didn't also apply to the effort category of the weapon, it wouldn't be able to wield. Thus, "without penalty" must allow the Redcap to wield a weapon that would ordinarily be too big for such a creature to wield. Ergo, just as a Small Redcap can wield a Medium weapon with no effort category change, even a medium 2-h weapon, the same can be said for a Tiefling w/ Oversized Limbs wielding large weapons. Keep in mind, though, that this change only affects large weapons and offers nothing towards wielding Huge weapons. So a tiefling wielding a Huge Dagger would still suffer two rounds of oversized weapon penalty, taking -4 to attack and treating it as a 2-h weapon. Anything your GM says in contradiction is a houserule, not a default part of the system.


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With that verbiage, a person could potentially even argue that you can wield large weapons without ANY penalties whatsoever (regardless of source). Not proficient? Doesn't matter! :P


Ravingdork wrote:
With that verbiage, a person could potentially even argue that you can wield large weapons without ANY penalties whatsoever (regardless of source). Not proficient? Doesn't matter! :P

How far can you get down the list of wielding two large longswords you're not proficient in, fighting TWF without the feat, fighting defensively, while using both Power Attack and Combat Expertise, before your GM decides to lob heavy objects at you?


Saethori wrote:
Ravingdork wrote:
With that verbiage, a person could potentially even argue that you can wield large weapons without ANY penalties whatsoever (regardless of source). Not proficient? Doesn't matter! :P
How far can you get down the list of wielding two large longswords you're not proficient in, fighting TWF without the feat, fighting defensively, while using both Power Attack and Combat Expertise, before your GM decides to lob heavy objects at you?

Don't forget to close your eyes so you can ignore total concealment miss chance.

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