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Hopefully this will be promising.


baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Hopefully this will be promising.

not sure how to feel, professional opinion in warring with fanboyism within me.


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I'm torn but mostly because I expect this to be canceled by Fox like they do everything else I like.

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Looked interesting enough to me to give it a try....in a year when it's available streaming somewhere since I don't pay for cable anymore.

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Eh kinda fox....eh


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Maybe great...or maybe some writer shilling their concept by slapping a Marvel label in name only to make it more commercially attractive to Fox executives.


Legion premieres February 8th. Also, new trailer.

Alex Martin wrote:
Maybe great...or maybe some writer shilling their concept by slapping a Marvel label in name only to make it more commercially attractive to Fox executives.

At NY ComicCon, X-Men producer Lauren Shuler Donner confirmed it will be set in the X-Men movie universe, but will largely stand alone. Show creator Noah Hawley (who grew up reading the comic) hinted it's a little more complicated, because the audience sees the show through protagonist David Haller's perspective and experiences his perception of "reality". Hawley also confirmed Haller as being the son of Professor Charles Xavier, and that Xavier "probably will" show up in the show. Jeff Loeb, of Marvel's TV division, was also there and said that "bridges are being made" between the Fox-owned Marvel characters and Marvel Studios, "but I don't want to make any promises that I'll have to explain the next time someone asks me."

I'm hopeful that Marvel Television and Fox's FX can figure out a way to make it work that remains true to the best parts of Haller's very complicated comics history... and if it makes money, I think odds are good. Noah Halley is an admitted fan of the character and comics, and most people seem to really like his adaptation of Fargo for television.

I guess we'll find out when it premieres.


I figure if they don't at least have Haller fight Elder Gods once, or even meet with the Shi'ar, it's not worthy of my time.


This concept boggles my mind. Out of the entire stable of X-character that they have access to.... THIS was one they picked???

I just... I don't understand... He's such a C-list character, that was usually the 'villain', and most people I know didnt' realize he was back again after being killed after Age of Apocolypse in the 90's...

How did LEGION get to be the network premiere show?!??!


A-Listers are now saved for the big budget summer blockbusters. Iron Man and the Avengers were largely C-listers themselves until that first Iron Man movie did so well; Marvel had sold it's A-Listers off the Fox & Sony, and they were scrambling for something to compete.

I imagine they went with Legion because it wasn't a hot item for the studio, but it still tied into the X-franchise. Having a show creater/showrunner who's a fan is also a plus. I'm guessing we're catching Haller in the beginning, so they can start off more affordably on the special effects and stick to limited filming locations. Legion/Haller has been written pretty inconsistently in the comics over the years and I don't know if he has any diehard fans, so I'd guess the show folks feel they have more leeway to play around with his origin and his powers (especially how damn powerful he is/becomes). And Esmail over on the USA Network had just proven how effective you make a show with a very unreliable narrator/protagonist.

And maybe... if Fox and Marvel/Disney needed a way to suddenly explain why Marvel heroes that had been previously separate at other companies could now suddenly crossover without a reboot, you'd need something powerful... like an Omega-level superhuman. Franklin Richards is out from the FF franchise being run into the ground, burned, and its ashes salted. But nobody had touched Legion/Haller yet.

I dunno. If I was any good at this, I'd be working for Fox or Marvel.


ehhh... even if they wanted to save 'A-listers' for the movies(which I don't really buy... I mean we're 10 movies in and they're not really digging very deep...), there are still a lot more that would have actually had a LITTLE name recognizion.

You want to keep X-men for the movies... fine. Even if I do think the original 5 would make a great tv series... they still have Generation X, X-factor, New Mutants, X-force... Any of those would be a pretty interesting title with some flashy characters and decades of stories to mine and could have very little overlap with the movies. Man... something like Generation X or X-factor playing the Agents of Shield to Marvel's movies... that would awesome.

But Legion?? I can't really see anything they are going to do with Legion... that couldn't have been a stand alone show with zero marvel connection with just a few name changes. The whole psychic/supernatural/powered kids stories are all the rage... and Legion just doesn't look that interesting, and CAN'T be a huge name draw... from the trailers it just feels like the script was repurposed from some X-files revival or something.


So you'd rather see Hope Summers, Cable and possible Rachael Summers all travel through time and space trying to save mutantkind?


Thomas Seitz wrote:
So you'd rather see Hope Summers, Cable and possible Rachael Summers all travel through time and space trying to save mutantkind?

Actually.... I'm a huge fan of time travelers saving history shows! I'd totally watch that. Not a huge fan of those three... but if it wasn't more popular than Legion... it would only be because there are a LOT of time travel shows on right now...

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This show looks AMAZING.

F%!@ A-listers! I want shows about C-listers, 'cause their powers are the most effective and influential on the world/lives of mere humans/mortals.

A-f@@#ing-listers just blow s++* up: costly, and makes for a boring/stupid story.


Purple,

I'm assuming you're not talking about Thor or Thanos then...

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I'm on board for the C-listers as well. A-listers have too much baggage attached. You can have a lot more fun, especially on television, with somewhat minor characters.

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Thor and Thanos bore me. I'll take a show about Loki though... :)


Purple,

Blasphemy!

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Look... I loved Thor as a kid. I was a monthly subscriber for the comic in the 80's up to mid 90's.

What they've done to Thor in the last what, 10, 20 years? that's blasphemy.


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

A-Listers are now saved for the big budget summer blockbusters. Iron Man and the Avengers were largely C-listers themselves until that first Iron Man movie did so well; Marvel had sold it's A-Listers off the Fox & Sony, and they were scrambling for something to compete.

I never viewed the Avengers as C listers by any mark. They were ALWAYS A listers, having been part of the Marvel roster since before the X-men, and always a staple.

Captain America and Ironman have always been Marvel A-Listers (surprise they didn't sell them off, but there were attempts to make movies of Captain America previously, though the movies themselves were not so impressive). The Hulk has been an A-Lister since at least the 70s and 80s (and his own TV show). The rest of the cast (Thor, Hawkeye, Black Widow) might not have been on the A-list, but Captain America and Ironman have always been on the A-list, and Hulk has gone on and off, but mainly on.

Avengers and X-men WERE my comics to read in the 80s and 90s prior to the aughts when they started the movies (after the big success of Spiderman). They had multiple offshoots (the x-men got bigger than the Avengers, but you still had multiple Avengers connections and offshoots, such as the popular 90s West Coast Avengers).

It's like saying if DC sold off rights to Legion of Superheroes and Jonah Hex that everyone else, including Superman and Batman, (two of DC's biggest and longest running heroes which I would equate similarly to Iron Man and Captain America for Marvel) and the Justice League were all C-listers.

Marvel lost some of it's valuable properties, but to suggest that because they weren't sold off they weren't A-listers on the Marvel Roster is kind of inaccurate, especially when referring to Captain America and Ironman.

Thomas Seitz wrote:
So you'd rather see Hope Summers, Cable and possible Rachael Summers all travel through time and space trying to save mutantkind?

Umm, is that a trick question. Why wouldn't I want to see that? That would be totally awesome (then again, Cable is probably one of my favorites, sooooo.....).

Legion is fine though, no problem with them tackling it. I personally don't have a strong desire to see it right now, but I'd absolutely be killing to see a Cable series. Of course, knowing FOX and if it was from them, it would be a total screw up of the Cable storyline.


Purple Dragon Knight wrote:

Look... I loved Thor as a kid. I was a monthly subscriber for the comic in the 80's up to mid 90's.

What they've done to Thor in the last what, 10, 20 years? that's blasphemy.

That holds true for a LOT of the Marvel line over the past decade. The kids started running the boat.

That's why what we see in the MCU differs greatly from what has been happening in the comics for the past decade. Even when we get storylines reflective of the comics from the past decade (such as Civil War) they are greatly changed to reflect more of the iconic superheroes people remember from pre-2000 than anything that we see in the comic book industry now. Those making the MCU realize what made those comic book characters so great, whilst I think those writing the comics don't and can't understand why no one reads there stuff anymore (well, some people do, but they are selling 1/10 of what they used to be selling decades ago).


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GreyWolfLord wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:

A-Listers are now saved for the big budget summer blockbusters. Iron Man and the Avengers were largely C-listers themselves until that first Iron Man movie did so well; Marvel had sold it's A-Listers off the Fox & Sony, and they were scrambling for something to compete.

I never viewed the Avengers as C listers by any mark. They were ALWAYS A listers, having been part of the Marvel roster since before the X-men, and always a staple.

Captain America and Ironman have always been Marvel A-Listers (surprise they didn't sell them off, but there were attempts to make movies of Captain America previously, though the movies themselves were not so impressive). The Hulk has been an A-Lister since at least the 70s and 80s (and his own TV show). The rest of the cast (Thor, Hawkeye, Black Widow) might not have been on the A-list, but Captain America and Ironman have always been on the A-list, and Hulk has gone on and off, but mainly on.

Avengers and X-men WERE my comics to read in the 80s and 90s prior to the aughts when they started the movies (after the big success of Spiderman). They had multiple offshoots (the x-men got bigger than the Avengers, but you still had multiple Avengers connections and offshoots, such as the popular 90s West Coast Avengers).

It's like saying if DC sold off rights to Legion of Superheroes and Jonah Hex that everyone else, including Superman and Batman, (two of DC's biggest and longest running heroes which I would equate similarly to Iron Man and Captain America for Marvel) and the Justice League were all C-listers.

Marvel lost some of it's valuable properties, but to suggest that because they weren't sold off they weren't A-listers on the Marvel Roster is kind of inaccurate, especially when referring to Captain America and Ironman.

I think we're using different definitions of A-Listers and C-Listers. Within the Marvel Universe, the Avengers and its members, like Iron Man and Captain America, were always A-Listers: among the top, the most experienced, most qualified to handle any threat, from local to galactic. They were always a fixture, iconic to what comic readers think of when it comes to the definitive Marvel Universe.

But outside of that, they hadn't been anywhere near as popular with everyone else here in our reality as the X-Men or Spider-Man. And they certainly didn't have the recognition as DC's Batman or Superman. Hulk had a surge of popularity while the TV show ran, but beyond that, nope. They weren't Marvel's most popular products, and as a result, the big studios weren't interested in rights to make films with them. So... C-Listers.


Agreed.

A-list is a fuzzy term at best, and people can confused their 'Favorite' characters with 'A-list'. A-list should be reserved for the rock solid foundations that the companies are built on.

In the 90's, They didn't know WHAT to do with Iron Man. He was BORING... he didn't sell. His story was a constant flux between How can we cripple this character... and how can he be smart enough to fix himself. His heart was bad, he got an artificial one. He broke his back I think... he was stuck in the armor. He became completely paralayzed, he had a remote controlled iron man suit that he controlled with his mind... Then he was really evil and replaced by a teenage version of himself... This kept right on going through Extremis. Not to mention all the times he lost his company his started a new one only to neglect it and lose it again... The problem was that kids werent' too interested in seeing a rich guy fight industrial espionage to maintain his richness... And that was the core of Iron Man comics. They pretty much just picked up the anniversary issues if there was something foil lined or a new armor debuting.

Captain America? He's iconic... but he got a serious (if unjustified) reputation as being BORING, flagwaving spokesman. During these days he suffered from the boy scout problem while Punisher, Ghost Rider and Batman were the biggest names in the industry. Cap also got shoved in a metal suit to make him more '90's'. Steve Rogers was a ghost. His secret ID was nonexistent and supporting cast was barely explored.

Avengers?? Captain America and Iron Man shined in the Avengers... but the rest of the teams were pretty lackluster all the time. There really WAS a reason why so many of the early 'flagship' titles of the 70's and 80's were 'killed off' in the 90's with Onslaught. X-men, Spider-man, Punisher, Ghost Rider... they were pretty rock Solid with guest stars galore... but Cap and Iron Man?? They had dropped down to the 'niche' and 'experimental' catagories. They were B list at best, and probably closer to C-list a few times.

The other CHARACTERS in Marvel respected them a ton... but the customers didn't care one way or another.


Welp, anyone see the first episode yet? Any impressions?

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Welp, anyone see the first episode yet? Any impressions?

I have.

First episode is amazingly good. Dan Stevens is great as Legion and Aubrey Plaza is friggin' nuts. It is weird, fun, creepy as f**k and keeps you on your toes. Seriously, I want to underline that creepy part. Also, great use of tracking shots to visualize either magnitude of situations or David's stress.

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Image of Lenny phased midthrough the wall is gonna haunt me. As will the flashing images of that....thing that looks like Mojo.

If this is promise of what series will involve and they keep true to it, this might be one for the ages.


Yep, I saw it again last night, picked up a few little things I'd missed. It wasn't hard to follow the first viewing, but it seemed tighter on the second viewing. It's definitely off to a great start.

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Yeah, poor Lenny, but I bet she'll (at least I think that is Lenny's preferred pronoun) be living on in David's head (like Jemail did in the comics).

For some reason, the yellow-eyed humanoid/thing makes me think of Farouk/the Shadow King, which would fit what I (vaguely) remember of the comics. If so, I kinda have the impression SK is either helping provoke David's telekinetic/telepathic outbursts or weakening his self-control.


First episode was really impressive. Lot of the time I found myself asking ok Who is real and who is in his head.

Jean Smart was a pleasant surprise too


Ambrosia,

I'd suggest reading the last Legion comic series. I think that might answer your question.

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:


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Spoiler:
Oh my gosh, I didn't even thought that. He does look like Shadow King, which admittedly would fit way better to the tone of the show.

Seriously no one else has read the legion solo comic from like 2011 to 2012?!


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Seriously no one else has read the legion solo comic from like 2011 to 2012?!

I've kind of avoided the majority of Marvels stuff ever since the whole "Spidy-makes a deal with the devil" thing

Even now I'm only really getting the Renew your Vows book and occasionally picking up an odd thing here and there if the cover looks interesting.


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Seriously no one else has read the legion solo comic from like 2011 to 2012?!

I have not...but the Shadow King had alot to do with Legion early on in his life.

So it does make sense he is involved in the TV seris...


Well, that was pretty damn impressive. If it keeps this up it will uproot Agent Carter as my favorite Marvel show.


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Seriously no one else has read the legion solo comic from like 2011 to 2012?!

did not know there was a new legion comic. Hm. May watch this show after all.


Freehold,

There WAS. There isn't now.

Grey,

Secret Wars improved a great deal...

John,

I get that but if you've read the comic series, you might change your mind about Shadow King...


Oh no I'll still check it out. I may have judged the character based on old information.


@Thomas: sure...I am not going to read the seris...don't have the time and I have given up on comic books a long time a go.

So just tell me in spoiler...or private message.


John,

I'm PM it to you later.

Freehold,

Please do.


Thank you


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Seriously no one else has read the legion solo comic from like 2011 to 2012?!

Honestly never even heard of it.

It's looking like that one flew pretty low under the radar


Okay I mis-remembered some parts about Legion having a solo comic.

It was mostly about him but it was part of X-men Legacy Volume 2 series.

It ran from January 2013 to April 2014. It starred Legion a good bit but did have a few other cast members. (Mainly Blindfold.)

Simon Spurrier wrote it and he also did an X-Force run later on.


I am still waiting on the PM, Mr. Seitz...

Kidding take your time.


Mister Kretzer,

Sorry! Anyways I had to check my archive o comic stuff which is how I also corrected myself in my current posting!


I know nothing about any of the source material.

Both episodes were great. Hope it keeps up.


Sun,

X-men Legacy along with Age of X are good kick off points.


I feel Episode 3 really ampt up some of the horror aspects of David's mind. That is not a place you want to be stuck in. Can't help but feel Dr. Bird is going to die before this series is over. She just keeps poking the wrong things.

Kind of facinating hearing David talk about the after effects of the body swap. Must be such a weird sensation.


I am super into this one I would be ok if FX then a 1 season run for like every x-man if they can keep it going like that.


I'd be okay if they some how had David say he just created this entire reality just to prove to Prof X he's not X-men material.

Or something.

Mostly I want a re-do.


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Thomas Seitz wrote:

I'd be okay if they some how had David say he just created this entire reality just to prove to Prof X he's not X-men material.

Or something.

Mostly I want a re-do.

lol could be a nice last scene of David and Patrik Stewart sitting in a room together

"and that's why it's a bad idea"


Don't forget Sir Ian McKellen, Grey!

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