flame blade + Kirin style Kirin Strike


Rules Questions


The Flame blade spell acts like a scimitar, can you use it with Kirin Style and Kirin Strike.

Kirin Style (Combat, Style)
Your study and your grace allows you to exploit your enemies’ weaknesses.

Prerequisite: Improved Unarmed Strike, Knowledge (arcana) 6 ranks, Knowledge (dungeoneering, local, nature, planes, or religion) 1 rank.

Benefit: While using this style, you can spend a swift action to make a Knowledge check to identify a single creature (DC 15 + the creature’s CR for this purpose). If you succeed at the check, while using this style, you gain a +2 bonus on saving throws against that creature’s attacks, as well as a +2 dodge bonus to AC against that creature’s attacks of opportunity. These bonuses last for as long as you use this style. If you cease combat with the creature during this time and resume it later, you can attempt the check again.

Kirin Strike (Combat)
You have read the texts of the perfect way, and know how identify to your enemies’ weak spot.
Prerequisite: Int 13, Kirin Style, Improved Unarmed Strike, Knowledge (arcana) 9 ranks, Knowledge (dungeoneering, local, nature, planes, or religion) 3 ranks.

Benefit: You gain a +2 insight bonus on Knowledge checks made to identify creatures, including the one Kirin Style allows. While using Kirin Style against a creature you have identified using that feat, as a swift action after you have hit a creature with a melee or ranged attack, you can add twice your Intelligence modifier in damage (minimum 2).

Sczarni

You're hitting them with a melee attack.

That's all that Kirin Strike requires.


now you need a melee class that is int-based, a caster and gets druid spells. Please tell me if you found one. Maybe a Magus with high UMD...

Sczarni

Magus-5/Pathfinder Savant-2?

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Wand Wielder magus plus UMD plus Wand of Flame Blade?


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Flame Blade is by far best on a Shaman with Battle Spirit, for Weapon Specialization and Divine Favor and Bane...

Sovereign Court

Or perhaps a swashbuckler with slashing grace? Not that you'd add dex to damage (because you aren't adding strength), but precise strike should work.

Though I think Gozreh's Trident would work better. No need for slashing grace, and as a trident, startoss style applies.

Scarab Sages

If you want to waste several feats, the round one swift action entering Kirin style, a second rounds swift action making a knowledge check to Id your target, just so you can add 2x your int bonus on one attack in the third round of combat, when your opponent is likely already dead feel free. But you would do more damage for less feats with arcane strike.

Sczarni

I presume that the first round of combat would be dedicated to casting Flame Blade anyways, so you can do the first swift action then. Second round, move and attack (or possibly full attack), and do your second swift action then.

If you go Shaman (which I like; thank you BadBird), then you couldn't Arcane Strike anyways.

... although the Half-orc Favored Class Bonus for Magus makes that combo pretty sweet, too...

Scarab Sages

Bard worshipping Sarenrae is an arcane caster who can gain flame blade. And it's pretty good option for this. Especially if you choose Dawnflower Dervish.


Imbicatus wrote:
Bard worshipping Sarenrae is an arcane caster who can gain flame blade. And it's pretty good option for this. Especially if you choose Dawnflower Dervish.

that's what I thought, too. But you need some really high point buy to get INT to a significant level. As a bard I usually wouldn't push INT very high, because I get my bonuses from bardic knowledge and pletny skill points from just being a bard. So bard+flame blade yes. but not with kirin feat chain

Scarab Sages

Kirin is a trap though, even with an int in the 20's. It requires some terrible pre-reqs unless you multiclass monk and stunt your spell casting. It requires two rounds of setup to use, and it also takes swift actions. There is a huge opportunity cost to take Kirin strike, and even when it does work, there are better thing to use swift action on than +14 damage, considering you spent three rounds to get it.

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