How about Dragon Empires Gods and Faiths?


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Inner Sea Faiths presented 15 different lesser-known deities for the Inner Seas region.

Tian Xia has a total of 14 exclusive deities :P While Adabbar, Desna, Irori, Lamashtu, Pharasma and Shelyn have been presented in Inner Seas Gods, the rest of the Tian Xian pantheon hasn't.

So, how about a booklet presenting the Tian Xian deities, similar to Inner Seas Faiths, with obediences, boons, items... and FINALLY a clear depiction of the deities?

Silver Crusade

I've mentioned elsewhere that I'd love to see a book of this type. My paladin of Shizuru wants an official paladin code, among other things.

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I'd love something like this. I love the Tian Xia pantheon and would love to be able to have boons and such for them.


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I'd be happy with more Golarion Sun Wukong lore.


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Fromper wrote:
I've mentioned elsewhere that I'd love to see a book of this type. My paladin of Shizuru wants an official paladin code, among other things.

This, and possibly new Samurai orders ;)

Here's my reasoning for just a booklet:

1) Tian Xia is the second region to be widely presented: We had the Dragon Empires Gazetteer and Primer, the Phoenix Tournament module, the Jade Regent adventure path and the various Tian Xian races have been expanded in Bestiaries and the Advanced Race Guide. Not only the races are no longer "alienating" characters, but Tian Xia has been officially acknowledged as a suitable campaign setting. It's part of Golarion, not a separate setting.

2) Tian Xia hits the mark for oriental adventures: Back in the days, we had Rokugan and Legend of the Five Rings as a separate setting. Today, we have a continent CONNECTED to the Inner Seas via the north. It's sitting right next to them.

3) Tian Xia hits the mark for oriental characters: Anime, mangas, mythologies, historical Japanese and Chinese documentations and fictions have been good sources of inspirations for these characters. The samurai, ninja and various archetypes provide enough content to those as well.

4) Tian Xian deities are still active: Unlike the Ancient Orision pantheon, which is made of real-world mythical deities that came to past, the Tian Xian deities are still active and well-implemented. Daikitsu is the patron goddess of kitsunes, Hei Feng is the patron god of tengus, Nalinivati is the patron goddess of nagajis and Sun Wukong is closely related to vanaras, all for races that have been made official in Golarion.

5) There are only a hanful of Tian Xian deities: Inner Seas Faith describe 15 lesser-known deities; Tian Xia has 14, so it could fit into a book if you consider 6 pages per deity.

6) The Inner Seas Deities could use exclusive Tian Xian lore: Adabbar goes from Law and Justice to a god of Walls and Ditches. All 6 returning deties could certainly have different obediences and boons in Tian Xia since they have slightly different portfolios.

7) The Tian Xian deities deserve actual depictions: I may be a sucker for artworks, but seeing Tian Xian worshippers and official canon appearances for the deities would be nice, not to mention that some have multiple forms. The artists could easily make an official artwork in the foreground, with an alternate form in the background. For instance, you could have General Susumu riding his black pegasus, with a faded-out image of his crimson dragon form behind him.

8) Tian Xian deities could use more mecanics: Obediences, boons, magic items and such could all be presented, especially if you play a Tian Xian character adevnturing in the Inner Seas.

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One of the things I'd like with a product like this, is to see differences in the Paladin codes, so that there could be conflict between Paladins.
Building on this I'd like to see more conflict between LG and CG.


Great idea.
Parallel to idea of differing Tian Xia worship/ideals of deities otherwise common in Inner Sea/Vudra/etc,
would be differences in worship of deities associated with particular demi-human race, who are also worshipped by other races.
(e.g. Nalinivati who is TN, and patron of Nagajor and Nagaji who tend to LN, while CN would also be compatable with her)
Perhaps even a take on each Tian ethnicity/demi-human race highlighting their religious tendencies and quirks,
which kind of takes JiCi's idea of detailing "Tian Xa" approach to gods, but in more specific way.
(Samsarans I am thinking of specifically, but all of them would be interesting)

I could see info detailing specific types of non-Cleric followers, e.g. Monks, Samurai, etc, specific to each God.
(or potentially applicable to all/many gods, or specific pairings etc)
Obviously the backstory of inter-god relations is nice to understand the gods themselves,
but how the churches/followers themselves relate would be interesting (and not necessarily directly mapping to gods' personal relations)

And I think some non-deity religiosity could also be covered, most prominently the Eternal Emperor Oracular cult,
but a take on Kami/Druidic faith in Tian Xia, Tian-La/Mutab-qi Shamanism, or other religious approaches would be interesting.
Potentially even some "secular religions" or such, Dtang Ma sorceror kings seem potentially in that mold...?

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I wouldn't mind seeing this, although in the spirit of expectation management, I don't assume that it'll happen any time soon. Who knows, though? This thread might help. ^_^


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I know that I'd love to write a deity article. ^_^


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Deity stuff does enable player options, which tend to be fairly popular.


This would be a great addition to my collection. I understand the reasons, but was sadden that he East never got expended further.


Andre Roy wrote:
This would be a great addition to my collection. I understand the reasons, but was sadden that he East never got expended further.

Well, the Inner Seas booklets cover one region at a time... and Tian Xia almost has as many regions as the Inner Seas. Yeah, we would be talking about as many booklets here :P

Still, the Dragon Empires Gazetteer covers a LOT of Tian Xia, exactly like the Inner Seas World Guide.


I would also really like to see something like this, with art and/or obediences for the Tien deities. Tsukiyo and Lao Shu Po are two of my favourite deities in the setting, and it would be awesome to see them expanded further.


Darthslaverus wrote:
I would also really like to see something like this, with art and/or obediences for the Tien deities. Tsukiyo and Lao Shu Po are two of my favourite deities in the setting, and it would be awesome to see them expanded further.

If I may add something, this could also further explain any relationship that the Tian Xian deities have with the Inner Seas deities. Adabbar, Desna, Irori, Lamashtu, Pharasma and Shelyn are part of the Tian Xian pantheon, but it would be too hard to believe that the Tian Xian deities never encountered those 6 deities' allies, rivals and enemies.

Shizuru not having met Iomedae and Sarenrae in their respective crusades against evil? Sun Wukong not partying with Cayden Cailean? Gozreh not having to fight Hei Feng, Lady Nanbyo and Yamatsumi? Yeah right :P


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JiCi wrote:
Sun Wukong not partying with showing Cayden Cailean what partying is about?

Fixed that for you...


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This would be great to have. (Alternatively, I'd be happy to just get god articles for Shizuru and Sun-Wukong.)

I wouldn't expect it to come it out any time soon, if ever. My understanding is that while there's vocal advocacy for non-Inner Sea content, the actual books for non-Inner Sea content don't sell well.


I would definitely buy this book if it ever comes out. We have way too little information about the Tian Xia deities right now.

Grand Lodge

If I recall didn't most of the original inhabitants of the main continent
come into existence from reincarnated Azlantis? Could some of their deities morphed to become the deities from Tian Xia?


Zhangar wrote:
I wouldn't expect it to come it out any time soon, if ever. My understanding is that while there's vocal advocacy for non-Inner Sea content, the actual books for non-Inner Sea content don't sell well.

Isn't it a case where they want to focus on the Inner Seas first and foremost? I mean, the Dragon Empires books came out around the same time as the Ruby Phoenix Tournament module and the Jage Regent AP.

Since most APs and modules focus on the Inner Seas regions, so are the lore booklets. If they start to balance with more Tian Xian modules and APs, they would probably release more Tian Xian booklets.

It's like how Kara-Tur was barely touched for Faerun and how Sarlona and Argonessen in Eberron were barely touched for Eberron: they talk about it, but don't show much about it.


Still crossing my fingers ^_^


Herald wrote:

If I recall didn't most of the original inhabitants of the main continent

come into existence from reincarnated Azlantis? Could some of their deities morphed to become the deities from Tian Xia?

I think that is one hypothesis of where Tians came from. I don't think its confirmed (and kind of hate it as an idea).

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I have so many thoughts on Daikitsu and Nalinvati.

So. Many. Thoughts....

Silver Crusade

Alexander Augunas wrote:

I have so many thoughts on Daikitsu and Nalinvati.

So. Many. Thoughts....

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees?


I'd love to see this!

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Yes please.

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