I know appearance normally doesn't matter but for RP reasons it certainly does in this case. Now non of the polymorph spells I can find allow imitation of a specific individual, and I cant find a way to get access to the monster SU ability Change Shape which allows it.
What other options are there?
I was thinking that this may be within the realm of a limited wish? Or would it require a full wish/miracle?
Or should I completely give up on making my new body look like my old, and focus on returning to my old body? Only options for that are wish, true resurrection, or miracle.
I know disguise self allows me to look like my old self, or rather gives a large bonus, but it excludes tactile and auditory differences. Tactile and auditory are very important.
So I need options to either recreate my body with the new, or create a tactile, visual, and auditory illusion of sorts that I can feel through as well.
Any advice is greatly appreciated
You need a wish spell.
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So I need options to either recreate my body with the new, or create a tactile, visual, and auditory illusion of sorts that I can feel through as well.
Any advice is greatly appreciated
As bodies go... you could do worse. :) And given your situation, you might not want to change it too soon.
I could certainly do worse which is why I am trying primarily to find a way to change the way this body looks, etc, rather than swap back to my original body.
The RP reasons are rather pressing I think
Just how it looks? That's easy, dude. There are so many illusion spells in the game. Alter self is also a polymorph.
What are the RP reasons that are pressing.
Just enjoy your Pure-blooded Azlanti stat bumps.
The pressing RP reasons is the romantic relationship with a fellow party member.
Buri, alter self doesn't work as I need to look like a specific individual, and imitate auditory and touch sensations
Is your old body dead? (Greater) Assume Likeness from Horror Adventures makes you look like a specific humanoid dead guy for days per level, you get their voice, too. You need the body, or with Greater a likeness of the deceased. Except technically you're not dead even if a separate body might be, so GM call if it works for you.
I could certainly do worse which is why I am trying primarily to find a way to change the way this body looks, etc, rather than swap back to my original body.
The RP reasons are rather pressing I think
If you're still in the AP, you might not want to change your looks just yet.
The pressing RP reasons is the romantic relationship with a fellow party member.
Buri, alter self doesn't work as I need to look like a specific individual, and imitate auditory and touch sensations
Well, you could always take a different approach and embrace this as an RP opportunity to see whether he or she likes your character for who they are, or if it was purely physical...?
Well, you could always take a different approach and embrace this as an RP opportunity to see whether he or she likes your character for who they are, or if it was purely physical...?The pressing RP reasons is the romantic relationship with a fellow party member.
Buri, alter self doesn't work as I need to look like a specific individual, and imitate auditory and touch sensations
[sighs] This conversation could go badly in so many ways....
But yeah, without getting spoilery, the transformation your character has undergone does play into the campaign. It's not necessary, but if I remember correctly you will miss out on several interactions if you revert before the end of the campaign.
I am indeed embracing the RP aspect of trying to continue a relationship while inhabiting the runelords body.
However it is literally many peoples nightmares to wake up next to mass murderers so that is proving difficult.
Plausible Pseudonym, that is a very good idea that I will look at.
I dont have horror adventures so could you possibly link the spell here for me please.
I was looking for a spell or some such rather than going back to my body as I have already experienced the glass golem and the mechanical benefits of the body so would like to try find a way to still be able to be Sorshen but look like my old self most of the time.
Greater hat of disguise + the disguise skill.
The hat will get you close. The disguise skill can make you look like a specific person.
Alter Self gives you a +10 on your skill check.
Snowlilly, indeed it does.
However I am limited in skills a bit so I was looking for other alternatives. Alter self is also only minutes per level, so doesn't work for long term unfortunately
Mark Carlson
I am having a blast. But it isn't how I want to spend the rest of the campaign. So I am looking at ways to alleviate it in the long run.
I was hoping I had missed something as I only found the high level options.
I would be happy with disguise if it could turn my character back into a man. Romantic relationship and all that.
Snowlilly, indeed it does.
However I am limited in skills a bit so I was looking for other alternatives. Alter self is also only minutes per level, so doesn't work for long term unfortunately
Greater Hat of Disguise = permanent Alter Self
You don't need a lot of skill points. YouRe not trying to fool anyone. Just trying to reset your appearance.
Snowlilly, indeed it does.
However I am limited in skills a bit so I was looking for other alternatives. Alter self is also only minutes per level, so doesn't work for long term unfortunatelyGreater Hat of Disguise = permanent Alter Self
Nope, only works for 3 minutes per activation (CL 3) per a FAQ designed to stop permanent Ring of Invisibility effects. One of the intrigue splat books introduced a very expensive Hat of Disguise replacement based on Veil in order to get (I think) 14 hours of use per activation, a lenient GM might let someone create a similar (and even more expensive) upgrade for the Greater Hat of Disguise, but that sounds beyond what the OP can do.
@Snowlilly
I am certainly trying to 'fool' someone. The other pc need to believe I look like the old me
@Plausible Pseudonym (Awesome name by the way)
Thank you for your help so far in this
I also can't find assume likeness from your previous post, could I ask you to quote it for me here pretty please?
If needing man parts is the big issue, why not get an Elixir of Sex Shifting? Your PC won't have their old male body, but they will have a male body.
That is a possible part of a solution I have looked at. But looking like the male runelord sorshen would still be a bit creepy for the person with the female parts don't you think?
The veil replicates the feeling and smell of whatever form you assume.
@Snowlilly
I am certainly trying to 'fool' someone. The other pc need to believe I look like the old me@Plausible Pseudonym (Awesome name by the way)
Thank you for your help so far in this
I also can't find assume likeness from your previous post, could I ask you to quote it for me here pretty please?
Sure. Note that the Greater version is a level higher, and lets you use a likeness of a dead creature as a focus rather than a corpse.
ASSUME APPEARANCE
School transmutation (polymorph); Level alchemist 3, bard 3, medium 3, mesmerist 3, occultist 3, psychic 3, shaman 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, spiritualist 3, summoner 3, witch 3
Casting Time 1 minute
Components V, S, F (corpse of the deceased creature whose form you plan to assume)
Range personal
Target you
Duration 1 day/level (D)
This spell functions similarly to alter self, except for the following differences. You assume the exact form of a deceased Small or Medium creature of the humanoid type. Your voice changes to match that of the form you assume. The creature whose form you assume must be dead and you must have access to its fresh corpse (either dead less than 24 hours, or preserved via gentle repose or similar effect). Any attempt to copy the form of a living creature causes the spell to fail. You do not have access to the assumed form’s abilities, memories, mannerisms, or speech patterns. The spell grants a +10 bonus on Disguise checks to appear as the imitated creature.If the assumed creature is returned to life while this spell is active, assume appearance immediately ends.
Since you're not dead it doesn't technically work I guess.
Your GM might let you research a custom version to look like your old self, base it off this spell or Claim Identity, it gives you a template to provide hour or days/level duration.
The veil replicates the feeling and smell of whatever form you assume.
That's great if all I want is the other person to experience it, but if I can experience it too through greater assume appearance at a bit of GM discression then it works.
Plausible Pseudonym
What exactly is the difference between the normal and greater versions?
Thank you so much everyone for your massive help
Perhaps go for the wish spell, but see if it can be worded such that you can switch likeness on command (perhaps at a cost or something.. HP loss?).
This would allow the RP element to continue, and then painfully assume the sorshen role when needed for the campaign side. Obviously you would lose the inherent benefits when not in the sorshen form.
Its a wish after all.
Though it may be too costly/time consuming to get it. I dont know your specific scenario.
Kaisoku, I was looking for a way to get it working before Wish. but when I can get wish that is certainly something I will be trying to do
There is also Fleshwarping (which was something the Runelord of Wrath was working on as well as drow and the country of Nex). Not only can the warping yourself possibly reatore your old apperance (albiet with a tenticle or mandable that you might not remember having) but also can give access to monster abilities that belong to monsters you lvl or lower (with GM permission). If u guys are on or past the 2nd book of the AP, then the Doppleganger abilities should be on that list.
Jimmy, how open would your GM be to homebrewed/non-published solutions to this?
You know, maybe its ok that your relationship ends? Many relationships end early due to mundane happenings such as moving away, losing the spark, or having your body destroyed and your soul occupying a 10,000 year old clone. Its all happened to us.
You know, we started having troubles after I died...
This is honestly very very funny. Thank you.Ambrosia Slaad, has been open to homebrew stuff before but I was looking for by the book answers first.
Captain Kuro
I will certainly look into that, as that is quite interesting
Thank you all
Nope, only works for 3 minutes per activation (CL 3) per a FAQ designed to stop permanent Ring of Invisibility effects. One of the intrigue splat books introduced a very expensive Hat of Disguise replacement based on Veil in order to get (I think) 14 hours of use per activation, a lenient GM might let someone create a similar (and even more expensive) upgrade for the Greater Hat of Disguise, but that sounds beyond what the OP can do.Snowlilly, indeed it does.
However I am limited in skills a bit so I was looking for other alternatives. Alter self is also only minutes per level, so doesn't work for long term unfortunatelyGreater Hat of Disguise = permanent Alter Self
Is there a limited number of uses or are you just trying to be pedantic in a non-rules forums?
There is zero reason for a GM to enforce constant interruptions in gameplay for a character resetting his appearance back to his original.
If the latter - I personally would happily sit at the table with a stopwatch and announce once every three minutes that I was reactivating my hat.
@Snowlilly
I am certainly trying to 'fool' someone. The other pc need to believe I look like the old me@Plausible Pseudonym (Awesome name by the way)
Thank you for your help so far in this
I also can't find assume likeness from your previous post, could I ask you to quote it for me here pretty please?
That's just it. You would look like you used too.
Unless your partner is actively looking for inconsistencies that +10 bonus from Alter Self will fool most people.
Even with your partner, the +10 bonus negates the -10 penalty for fooling someone intimately familiar. If your partner is actively looking for discrepancies it would be a strait perception vs disguise check just to notice something is off.
Ask your GM about a circumstance bonus to disguise, since you are disguising yourself as yourself. You don't need to copy mannerisms, the way you move, or any of the other stuff normally associated with a disguise. Toss in a masterwork makeup kit for the competency bonus.
You can easily have a +12 to +15 bonus to your disguise check without a single skill point invested.
A second route - Polymorph any Object. The duration would be permanent with such a minor shift. It grants all the same benefits of the Hat of Disguise, including the +10 to disguise and leave the head slot free. The downside, it can be dispelled.
There's no limited number of uses, but having to reactivate it and explain what you're doing in a social setting, where people are often known to linger for more than 3 minutes, is a serious restriction that prevents a lot of uses.
The issue isn't the GM demanding you remember to reset it every 3 minutes, it's you crafting a plausible reason to go to the garderobe every 2.5 minutes during the dinner party at the castle when you're imitating someone and can't refresh your disguise in front of everyone.
But it still works for evading people in a crowd or approaching a guard post for a sneak attack or bluff attempt, I guess.
There's no limited number of uses, but having to reactivate it and explain what you're doing in a social setting, where people are often known to linger for more than 3 minutes, is a serious restriction that prevents a lot of uses.
The issue isn't the GM demanding you remember to reset it every 3 minutes, it's you crafting a plausible reason to go to the garderobe every 2.5 minutes during the dinner party at the castle when you're imitating someone and can't refresh your disguise in front of everyone.
But it still works for evading people in a crowd or approaching a guard post for a sneak attack or bluff attempt, I guess.
I would not bother. I would reset it with everyone watching. If anyone inquires, I suffer from a magical curse.
I'm not being sneaky or hiding anything. I am who I appear to be while using the disguise. If you want me to use a stopwatch and announce it in a loud voice out of character every three minutes, I can accommodate you. Once you get tired of my shouting SHAZAM every three minutes, we can get back to roleplay instead of rollplay.
Explaining to people around you why you regularly say SHAZAM is a restricting part of roleplay enforced by the rules. If you can't justify saying a command word every few minutes then the GM is justified in having people be suspicious and bust your disguise.
This assumes that activating a (Greater) Hat of Disguise to maintain an existing disguise doesn't have any visual cue, like the spell glowing things or a flicker as it resets. I'd rule for either or both of those things.
Ambrosia Slaad, has been open to homebrew stuff before but I was looking for by the book answers first.
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Explaining to people around you why you regularly say SHAZAM is a restricting part of roleplay enforced by the rules. If you can't justify saying a command word every few minutes then the GM is justified in having people be suspicious and bust your disguise.
This assumes that activating a (Greater) Hat of Disguise to maintain an existing disguise doesn't have any visual cue, like the spell glowing things or a flicker as it resets. I'd rule for either or both of those things.
Why would I have to explain anything to my party members. They were there when the event happened.
This is a case of finding a solution to a roleplay problem.
It is not a situation to be pedantic on rules that have minimal affect on the character.
If you wanted to enforce a 3 minute activation, you could, but why bother. The character is perfectly capable of activating the item every 3 minutes. There is nothing in RAW forcing him to conceal the activation, nor is there anything in RAW placing a social penalty on such an action. Any issues the party members have with this are purely roleplay issues, not mechanical.
Explaining to people around you why you regularly say SHAZAM is a restricting part of roleplay enforced by the rules. If you can't justify saying a command word every few minutes then the GM is justified in having people be suspicious and bust your disguise.
This assumes that activating a (Greater) Hat of Disguise to maintain an existing disguise doesn't have any visual cue, like the spell glowing things or a flicker as it resets. I'd rule for either or both of those things.
Why would I have to explain anything to my party members. They were there when the event happened.
This is a case of finding a solution to a roleplay problem.
It is not a situation to be pedantic on rules that have minimal affect on the character.
If you wanted to enforce a 3 minute activation, you could, but why bother. The character is perfectly capable of activating the item every 3 minutes. There is nothing in RAW forcing him to conceal the activation, nor is there anything in RAW placing a social penalty on such an action. Any issues the party members have with this are purely roleplay issues, not mechanical.
I take Plausible Pseuodnym's point to be more that non-party member NPCs are going to find it strange when the character switches back and forth between personas every 3 minutes (rather than an objection riased by the other PCs/party members).
Though Golarion is a magical place, this appearance-swapping is certainly something that would occasion comment in most places in the world, I would think.
You're effectively saying a DM should handwave it and ignore the way the item works, which is fine if the DM wants to do so, but there are lots of good reasons why a DM might not want to do that.
Is the girdle of Masculinity/femininity still out there? I know it is a cursed item but it seems right for your wishes.
MDC
That would only turn the character into a male version of Sorshen.
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So I need options to either recreate my body with the new, or create a tactile, visual, and auditory illusion of sorts that I can feel through as well.
Any advice is greatly appreciated
Part of roleplaying IS adapting to unexpected changes in your character. Maybe instead of trying to fight it because it does not conform to your original image of the character, you should take it as an RP challenge and see it as character development.
Part of roleplaying IS adapting to unexpected changes in your character. Maybe instead of trying to fight it because it does not conform to your original image of the character, you should take it as an RP challenge and see it as character development.** spoiler omitted **
So I need options to either recreate my body with the new, or create a tactile, visual, and auditory illusion of sorts that I can feel through as well.
Any advice is greatly appreciated
I am rolling with the punches. However, I think it is a very human thing to do to try not to look like a mass murderer, especially when that was thrust upon you
I am rolling with the punches. However, I think it is a very human thing to do to try not to look like a mass murderer, especially when that was thrust upon youPart of roleplaying IS adapting to unexpected changes in your character. Maybe instead of trying to fight it because it does not conform to your original image of the character, you should take it as an RP challenge and see it as character development.** spoiler omitted **
So I need options to either recreate my body with the new, or create a tactile, visual, and auditory illusion of sorts that I can feel through as well.
Any advice is greatly appreciated
The layman is not going to recognize Sorshen on sight. Even those that do won't automatically assume that is who you are (Outside a certain location.) At worst you would be a highly attractive female with a resemblance to certain very old statues.
The DC to recognize Sorshen's image using knowledge: history was above 10. Only scholars have a possibility of recognizing the resemblance.
On the subject of mass murder: how many sentient beings has your PC cut down, inside their own residences, in his search for power? Unless you are in an extraordinary group, I can safely say that number is considerably greater than zero.
I am rolling with the punches. However, I think it is a very human thing to do to try not to look like a mass murderer, especially when that was thrust upon youPart of roleplaying IS adapting to unexpected changes in your character. Maybe instead of trying to fight it because it does not conform to your original image of the character, you should take it as an RP challenge and see it as character development.** spoiler omitted **
So I need options to either recreate my body with the new, or create a tactile, visual, and auditory illusion of sorts that I can feel through as well.
Any advice is greatly appreciated
The layman is not going to recognize Sorshen on sight. Even those that do won't automatically assume that is who you are (Outside a certain location.) At worst you would be a highly attractive female with a resemblance to certain very old statues.
The DC to recognize Sorshen's image using knowledge: history was above 10. Only scholars have a possibility of recognizing the resemblance.
On the subject of mass murder: how many sentient beings has your PC cut down, inside their own residences, in his search for power? Unless you are in an extraordinary group, I can safely say that number is considerably greater than zero.
Yes it is, it is also a conflict that has been, and is still being played out within the party. My character being one of the main advocates for non lethal damage.
The issue isn't for the layman to recognize me. But rather than the rest of the party, including the romantically involved character know who Sorshen was, and know that I look like her.
It seems my GM and I are going to have a look at integrating the Assume Appearance spell into our game. Thank you everyone for you help.