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Sovereign Court

It's like the US banks, none of them will lend him money anymore, maybe he'll borrow some benefit of the doubt from Russia?

Liberty's Edge

BigDTBone wrote:

US Senators want to shut down bitcoin

Senator calls for bitcoin ban in letter to financial regulators

US Govt reaction to bitcoin is acknowledgement of dollar vulnerability

Federal reserve on bitcoin Ok, this one is biased as hell....

Homeland Security Forms Bitcoin Taskforce.

None of this even gets into the cries to abolish/regulate-to-death cryptocurrency after the silk road takedown.

Actually, they ALL post date silk road and the first two specifically cite it as the reason for a handful of senators (a far cry from the entire federal government) wanting to shut down bitcoin. The third is written by Peter Ferrara, and thus (like everything he writes) too stupid to finish. The fourth is way out there in cloud cuckoo conspiracy land, and the last is complaining that the government actually tries to catch and prosecute criminals - as if they should get a pass if they are using bitcoin.

Summary - There are individuals in the government opposed to bitcoin. However, the federal government has never 'freaked out', or indeed done much of anything, about bitcoin. Which is probably the best response.


CBDunkerson wrote:
BigDTBone wrote:

US Senators want to shut down bitcoin

Senator calls for bitcoin ban in letter to financial regulators

US Govt reaction to bitcoin is acknowledgement of dollar vulnerability

Federal reserve on bitcoin Ok, this one is biased as hell....

Homeland Security Forms Bitcoin Taskforce.

None of this even gets into the cries to abolish/regulate-to-death cryptocurrency after the silk road takedown.

Actually, they ALL post date silk road and the first two specifically cite it as the reason for a handful of senators (a far cry from the entire federal government) wanting to shut down bitcoin. The third is written by Peter Ferrara, and thus (like everything he writes) too stupid to finish. The fourth is way out there in cloud cuckoo conspiracy land, and the last is complaining that the government actually tries to catch and prosecute criminals - as if they should get a pass if they are using bitcoin.

Summary - There are individuals in the government opposed to bitcoin. However, the federal government has never 'freaked out', or indeed done much of anything, about bitcoin. Which is probably the best response.

I didn't say entire federal government, I said security folks. I didn't say wants to shut down, I said freaked out. To which I mean did a bunch of outloud complaining about how dangerous it is to give criminals the access to unregulated currency and how it threatens our currency system as a whole. I never said they took actions. I said they freaked out.

I think your main opposition to my statement is that you read more into my words than were there.


BigDTBone wrote:

I said they freaked out.

I think your main opposition to my statement is that you read more into my words than were there.

Well, I'm not seeing "they freaked out" in any of your link farm. From the most far-out lunatic of your links (the third)..... "The Chairman, Senator Tom Carper (D-DE) and Ranking Member, Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK), sent a joint letter to seven federal agencies last week asking for feedback and policy proposals for regulation of virtual currencies, like Bitcoin." (The rest is simply really bad economics by the author of the piece and has nothing to do with government policy, except for one sentence : `The Senate Homeland Security letter states regarding these currencies, “Their anonymous and decentralized nature has also attracted criminals who value few things more than being allowed to operate in the shadows,”' which is an innocuous truism.)

Since when is asking for feedback and policy proposals "freaking out"? I read it as simply doing their job. The use of Bitcoin to facilitate criminal activity is well-documented, so any reasonable law enforcement or security agency would try to understand BItcoins and get policy in place before it becomes an actual problem. One could, in fact, argue, that the Fed were tardy in doing this because all of these documents came after Silk Road. A truly proactive LEO would have come up with policy before that.

So unless you're using "they freaked out" in a rather idiosyncratic way to mean "they are taking their time to develop a measured, well thought out policy involving input from stakeholders across the government," then, no, they don't seem to have freaked out in he slightest.

Liberty's Edge

BigDTBone wrote:
I didn't say entire federal government

Seriously, look how the feds freaked out over bitcoin

BigDTBone wrote:
I didn't say wants to shut down

US Senators want to shut down bitcoin

BigDTBone wrote:
I think your main opposition to my statement is that you read more into my words than were there.

Sorry, don't know how I got the wrong impression.


CBDunkerson wrote:
BigDTBone wrote:
I didn't say entire federal government

Seriously, look how the feds freaked out over bitcoin

BigDTBone wrote:
I didn't say wants to shut down

US Senators want to shut down bitcoin

BigDTBone wrote:
I think your main opposition to my statement is that you read more into my words than were there.
Sorry, don't know how I got the wrong impression.

There is a far cry difference between "the entire federal government" and "some senators."

Also, nice selective clip of my post where you removed BOTH instances of me saying "security folks."


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In today's news, Trump is saying, without evidence, that border patrol agents have been told to allow illegal immigrants across the border so they can vote, despite the fact that they're not allowed to and voter fraud is basically a myth.


Rednal wrote:
In today's news, Trump is saying, without evidence, that border patrol agents have been told to allow illegal immigrants across the border so they can vote, despite the fact that they're not allowed to and voter fraud is basically a myth.

And there go my free WaPo articles for the month. Man, it's only the 7th! I wonder if I get more Nation articles yet?


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Woo hoo!

Alas, I wasted it on an article about Ursula Le Guin.

Ursula Le Guin Has Stopped Writing Fiction—but We Need Her More Than Ever


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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Rednal wrote:
In today's news, Trump is saying, without evidence, that border patrol agents have been told to allow illegal immigrants across the border so they can vote, despite the fact that they're not allowed to and voter fraud is basically a myth.
And there go my free WaPo articles for the month. Man, it's only the 7th! I wonder if I get more Nation articles yet?

Standard suggestion: Use a different browser for another set of free articles.

Or just read them in Private/Incognito mode.


Why, thank you, Comrade Jeff, that is an excellent suggestion, although I have no idea what the Private/Incognito mode is.

Bringing about the death of print journalism, one Paizo messageboard user at a time!

Now I gotta go hold up signs at the Bernie stumping for Hillary appearance. See you dudes and dudettes later!


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Chrome browser has an incognito mode is what thejeff seems to be suggesting. Toggle incognito mode, then drop your WaPo linkies in and go to town.


Rednal wrote:
In today's news, Trump is saying, without evidence, that border patrol agents have been told to allow illegal immigrants across the border so they can vote, despite the fact that they're not allowed to and voter fraud is basically a myth.

Voter fraud is real it's voter fraud in person thats more mythical than sasquatch. (sasquatch used to be real)


Turin the Mad wrote:
Chrome browser has an incognito mode is what thejeff seems to be suggesting. Toggle incognito mode, then drop your WaPo linkies in and go to town.

Also, if you know the title, paste key words/phrases from it into Google. Clicking through from Google (and I think Twitter links) seems to get around the limit.


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Rednal wrote:

In today's news, 30 former Republican Congressmen have released a letter saying they cannot vote for Trump.

Bold brave statements... by people who have already ended their political careers with nothing to lose.


Skeletor Batboy Fl Gov. Rick Scott refuses to extend voter registration because of hurricane


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Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Skeletor Batboy Fl Gov. Rick Scott refuses to extend voter registration because of hurricane

It's Florida... the state is dedicated to keeping Democrats from voting.

Liberty's Edge

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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Rednal wrote:
In today's news, 30 former Republican Congressmen have released a letter saying they cannot vote for Trump.
Bold brave statements... by people who have already ended their political careers with nothing to lose.

Exactly. They're free to tell the truths that most active GOP officials are too cowardly to acknowledge.

Meanwhile, Trump again proved their points by making bigoted comments about african americans, hispanics, and women.


CBDunkerson wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Rednal wrote:
In today's news, 30 former Republican Congressmen have released a letter saying they cannot vote for Trump.
Bold brave statements... by people who have already ended their political careers with nothing to lose.

Exactly. They're free to tell the truths that most active GOP officials are too cowardly to acknowledge.

Meanwhile, Trump again proved their points by making bigoted comments about african americans, hispanics, and women.

To be fair, the "women" comments were from 2005.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Skeletor Batboy Fl Gov. Rick Scott refuses to extend voter registration because of hurricane
It's Florida... the state's Republican government is dedicated to keeping Democrats from voting.

FTFY. Many many U.S. state governments have strong voter-suppression efforts. Florida's is far from the worst.


CBDunkerson wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Rednal wrote:
In today's news, 30 former Republican Congressmen have released a letter saying they cannot vote for Trump.
Bold brave statements... by people who have already ended their political careers with nothing to lose.

Exactly. They're free to tell the truths that most active GOP officials are too cowardly to acknowledge.

Meanwhile, Trump again proved their points by making bigoted comments about african americans, hispanics, and women.

I'm just worried because it's pretty obvious that he's tempering the tone of his campaign to appeal to the centrist voter. ;P


Hitdice wrote:
CBDunkerson wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Rednal wrote:
In today's news, 30 former Republican Congressmen have released a letter saying they cannot vote for Trump.
Bold brave statements... by people who have already ended their political careers with nothing to lose.

Exactly. They're free to tell the truths that most active GOP officials are too cowardly to acknowledge.

Meanwhile, Trump again proved their points by making bigoted comments about african americans, hispanics, and women.

I'm just worried because it's pretty obvious that he's tempering the tone of his campaign to appeal to the centrist voter. ;P

It's what you're supposed to do after you win the primary, Trump has been rather late in starting to do so.


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Orfamay Quest wrote:
CBDunkerson wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Rednal wrote:
In today's news, 30 former Republican Congressmen have released a letter saying they cannot vote for Trump.
Bold brave statements... by people who have already ended their political careers with nothing to lose.

Exactly. They're free to tell the truths that most active GOP officials are too cowardly to acknowledge.

Meanwhile, Trump again proved their points by making bigoted comments about african americans, hispanics, and women.

To be fair, the "women" comments were from 2005.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but doesn't that mean he should have apologized way, way before the current election cycle? I'm very curious about how this Sunday's debate will end up, but at this point it seems The Donald has damned himself to a hell of his own previous statements.

Liberty's Edge

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Hitdice wrote:
I'm not saying you're wrong, but doesn't that mean he should have apologized way, way before the current election cycle? I'm very curious about how this Sunday's debate will end up, but at this point it seems The Donald has damned himself to a hell of his own previous statements.

He hasn't apologized now.

Rather, he says it was just 'boys will be boys locker room talk, and besides Bill Clinton has said worse'.

'Coincidentally', the details of what Trump said he did to women back in 2005 match up with one of the sexual assault complaints against him.


Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Skeletor Batboy Fl Gov. Rick Scott refuses to extend voter registration because of hurricane
It's Florida... the state's Republican government is dedicated to keeping Democrats from voting.
FTFY. Many many U.S. state governments have strong voter-suppression efforts. Florida's is far from the worst.

On the other hand, Gov. Scott is the head of a pro-Trump SuperPAC. Why isn't this considered a conflict of interest?!


Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
Skeletor Batboy Fl Gov. Rick Scott refuses to extend voter registration because of hurricane
It's Florida... the state's Republican government is dedicated to keeping Democrats from voting.
FTFY. Many many U.S. state governments have strong voter-suppression efforts. Florida's is far from the worst.
On the other hand, Gov. Scott is the head of a pro-Trump SuperPAC. Why isn't this considered a conflict of interest?!

Because SuperPACS are technically separate from the campaigns they sponsor.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Pillbug Toenibbler wrote:
On the other hand, Gov. Scott is the head of a pro-Trump SuperPAC. Why isn't this considered a conflict of interest?!
Because SuperPACS are technically separate from the campaigns they sponsor.

And technically legal is the best form of legal. [/Futurama]

But with all the baseless claims against Clinton for the appearance of impropriety, you'd think those same people would also avoid the appearance of impropriety. But IOKIYAR.


And in more of today's news, Trump's campaign is now dealing with the leaks of some of his other comments about women. ...I think his campaign might actually be crashing and burning now.

I don't usually add warnings about my links, but in this case, CNN wants you to know that this particular news article describes some fairly graphic and adult material.


I was pretty surprised when campus security approached us in the parking lot and told us we couldn't carry our Jill Stein signs on property. We decamped to the sidewalk across from the 7-11 and waved our signs at Nashua rush hour traffic for the next two hours.

I can't believe I've let electoral politics reduce me to this: standing on the side of the road, smiling and waving at motorists, carrying a sign encouraging people to vote.

I can't wait until this shiznit is over.

First article I saw when I got back and logged on to the internet:

Podesta emails show excerpts of Clinton speeches to Goldman


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I read some excerpts it was truly shocking. I was shocked to see Hillary is slightly more liberal in private.


*Reads*

...

You know, most of those don't look terribly incriminating. Clinton is pro Single-Payer? That's not exactly news. And she feels that some discussions are best when they happen out of sight? That isn't surprising, either.


Yeah, she's a corporate Democrat. No shocker. I always thought Bernie was pretty weaksauce on that one.


When did that first come up? Eight months ago?

First time I remember it coming up was Lee Fang from The Intercept asking her about it and her laughing back in February.


Anyway, been a while since the last post from:

Running Subtheme: Education Reform

Massachusetts Teachers Unions Battle the Dark Money Behind a Pro-Charter Ballot Measure

Halfway across the country:

The Other Chicago Teachers’ Strike: The Chicago Teachers Union says they’re walking off the job next week — and charter school teachers might be joining them


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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Halfway across the country:

The Other Chicago Teachers’ Strike: The Chicago Teachers Union says they’re walking off the job next week — and charter school teachers might be joining them

Halfway from you, maybe. It's in my front yard.

Sovereign Court

Rednal wrote:

And in more of today's news, Trump's campaign is now dealing with the leaks of some of his other comments about women. ...I think his campaign might actually be crashing and burning now.

I don't usually add warnings about my links, but in this case, CNN wants you to know that this particular news article describes some fairly graphic and adult material.

Wow, is it possible Trump will finally be held accountable for things he says? I mean this isnt a gaffe he made once 2, 20, whatever years ago. Cant wait for kellyanne conway to spin out of this one....

Silver Crusade

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So Assange proved me wrong and jumped the gun with these Podesta emails, but even *that* innuendo snoozefest is being swamped by Trump's bragging about sexual assault.

Honestly, Clinton should sent the guy a fruit basket after she thrashes him on election day.

I'm curious as to whether Paul Ryan will still campaign with him tomorrow. Come to think of it, this is probably the last halfway decent chance for any of his establishment supporters to bail. I doubt any of them will, but it'd be nice for them to show some spine before it's too late.


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Paul Ryan has already called it off.


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CrusaderWolf wrote:

So Assange proved me wrong and jumped the gun with these Podesta emails, but even *that* innuendo snoozefest is being swamped by Trump's bragging about sexual assault.

Honestly, Clinton should sent the guy a fruit basket after she thrashes him on election day.

I'm curious as to whether Paul Ryan will still campaign with him tomorrow. Come to think of it, this is probably the last halfway decent chance for any of his establishment supporters to bail. I doubt any of them will, but it'd be nice for them to show some spine before it's too late.

Depends what you mean by "bail". Condemn his words. Distance themselves a bit. Don't campaign with him.

That many of them will do.

Actually work against him? Say he shouldn't be elected?
That's a much bigger step and we won't see much of it.

Cruz has to be kicking himself for jumping on the bandwagon a few weeks back. Lost the high ground principled stand just before it all imploded. The Trump fans will still hate him for the initial dissing, but he's still tainted by backing Trump.


Widespread condemnation from the GOP over Trumps comments

Even the RNC Chairman is taking Trump to task. If Trump continues to have a poor showing in the debate, this more than anything else could send the campaign into a death spiral.


Man the $@%@ really did the the fan yesterday on election related news:

US formally accuses Russia of election tampering


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CrusaderWolf wrote:
So Assange proved me wrong and jumped the gun with these Podesta emails, but even *that* innuendo snoozefest is being swamped by Trump's bragging about sexual assault.

i wonder how long Hillary's been holding on to THAT counterspell.

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I'm curious as to whether Paul Ryan will still campaign with him tomorrow. Come to think of it, this is probably the last halfway decent chance for any of his establishment supporters to bail. I doubt any of them will, but it'd be nice for them to show some spine before it's too late.

Elephants fleeing a sinking ship?


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That "apology" video he made...
I hope his party is writhing in agony and buyers remorse


Trump isnt going to win thats for sure.... he should have been a lot tighter on how he handles public appearances

Oh well.... HC's years of blandness and water treading beckon!


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
CrusaderWolf wrote:
So Assange proved me wrong and jumped the gun with these Podesta emails, but even *that* innuendo snoozefest is being swamped by Trump's bragging about sexual assault.
i wonder how long Hillary's been holding on to THAT counterspell.

It's possible, but it doesn't look like this actually came out of the Clinton campaign. Fahrenthold's been doing a lot of digging and good reporting on Trump's past - before this mostly on his Foundation and finances.


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doc roc wrote:
Trump isnt going to win thats for sure.... he should have been a lot tighter on how he handles public appearances

You mean basically not been Trump.

And he should also not have been Trump 10 years ago talking about women. Or all through all the Foundation/financial/bribe/tax scandals coming to light - and those still hidden.

Of course, if he'd been tighter on public appearances and not willing to say all the offensive crap he wouldn't have won the nomination in the first place.

This is Trump. This is what he is. This is what a good chunk of the Republican primary base wants. Luckily it seems it's not what the American public wants. Once they're forced to confront it with no excuses.


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thejeff wrote:
Luckily it seems it's not what the American public wants. Once they're forced to confront it with no excuses.

I'm really worried by how close this is. (or how close the media is making it seem so that they have a horse race to report on)

It means that republicans don't actually need to change: all they need to do is keep the class warfare, sexism and racism set to "dog whistle" instead of "megaphone" and they can still win.


Me and the three other people who wanted to vote for Rand Paul would be saying "I told you so" to the people who nominated Trump, but then Cruz would have received the nomination instead if Trump hadn't so we're all just drinking more heavily. RIP liver.

Liberty's Edge

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Exactly.

None of this is a surprise. Trump has been openly misogynistic, racist, and bigoted for decades. All the Republicans denouncing him in disgust now should have been doing so when he first announced his candidacy... but they didn't want to offend the misogynists, racists, and bigots. They wanted to continue playing footsie with evil... go along just enough that 'the deplorables' would continue to vote for them. Unfortunately, they underestimated the effect decades of right wing propaganda has had on their base. Majorities of Republicans now embrace the most vile of beliefs because that is what they have been told is 'Truth' by Fox news, Limbaugh, and the rest of the charlatans in right wing 'news'. So now this is the Republican party. Not just one candidate, but the reality of the party as a whole... brought out in to the light of day for all to see.

The two 'wings' of the party are now the bigots and the cowards who allowed the bigots to take over rather than dealing with the real issues facing the country... always easier to say it is immigrants taking all the jobs than deal with income inequality, make up stories of 'government oppression' for the militia types rather than deal with the reality of global warming, feed Islamophobia rather than admit they have no plan to fix the mess they created in the middle-east, et cetera. A failed party has become a destructive party... actively harmful to the nation rather than 'merely' bereft of ideas and obstructionist.

If we are lucky this could be the last gasp of infantile humanity... clinging to bigotry and hatred rather than facing the world as it is and looking for real solutions. OR we could be facing a resurgence of the kind of idiotic beliefs that the human race had finally started to put behind them over the course of the past century.


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captain yesterday wrote:
Paul Ryan has already called it off.

Yeah, he hasn't rescinded his support for Trump though.

Basically Ryan is saying, "Trump is too much of a creep to come to Wisconsin, but I still support him being in charge of the country."

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