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Turin the Mad wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Turin,

If I had my choice? Probably something like Coldstone Creamery's Chocolate Devotion. Barring that, Turkey Hill's Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. If all else fails, there's a flavor by Kroger called Death by Chocolate.

Weather wise has improved but I fear for tomorrow since I'm sure it will be horrid and no clear idea if we'll get a repair man in tomorrow.

Have you tried something like this? My impression is that it works best with dry ice (usually available at the grocery stores). You'd need several to cool any significant space, but if it means you're not sweating pounds off daily ... well ...

Meh. I'm too lazy to start making things now. Maybe later when I'm dying of heat stroke. :p :)


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Turin,

If I had my choice? Probably something like Coldstone Creamery's Chocolate Devotion. Barring that, Turkey Hill's Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. If all else fails, there's a flavor by Kroger called Death by Chocolate.

Weather wise has improved but I fear for tomorrow since I'm sure it will be horrid and no clear idea if we'll get a repair man in tomorrow.

Have you tried something like this? My impression is that it works best with dry ice (usually available at the grocery stores). You'd need several to cool any significant space, but if it means you're not sweating pounds off daily ... well ...
Meh. I'm too lazy to start making things now. Maybe later when I'm dying of heat stroke. :p :)

Well, depending on where you're sweating, the hobo depots may be open all hours. It's brutal to try and sleep in this kind of heat! :)


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Let me give republicans a peek at the next 40 years of discussing anything.

"We are a part of hard work...." That elected trump, a man than inherited his millions.

"We are the party of personal responsibility..." that elected trump, who hid behind bankruptcy laws and piles of lawyers to avoiding paying bills.

"We are the party of smaller government...." that elected trump, who is fine with bribing the government to throw you out of your house so he can build a parking lot for limousines.

"We are the party of true america!"... that gleefully celebrates the time when half of it tried to not be america anymore so they could keep owning people.

"We are the party of true racial equality!" that elected trump because he said the same racist things strait out that republicans have been hinting at since nixon.

You elected trump. Your arguments are invalid. ALL of them.


Turin the Mad wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Turin,

If I had my choice? Probably something like Coldstone Creamery's Chocolate Devotion. Barring that, Turkey Hill's Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. If all else fails, there's a flavor by Kroger called Death by Chocolate.

Weather wise has improved but I fear for tomorrow since I'm sure it will be horrid and no clear idea if we'll get a repair man in tomorrow.

Have you tried something like this? My impression is that it works best with dry ice (usually available at the grocery stores). You'd need several to cool any significant space, but if it means you're not sweating pounds off daily ... well ...
Meh. I'm too lazy to start making things now. Maybe later when I'm dying of heat stroke. :p :)
Well, depending on where you're sweating, the hobo depots may be open all hours. It's brutal to try and sleep in this kind of heat! :)

I'm pretty sure Hobo depot doesn't need my complaining butt right now...


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Turin,

If I had my choice? Probably something like Coldstone Creamery's Chocolate Devotion. Barring that, Turkey Hill's Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. If all else fails, there's a flavor by Kroger called Death by Chocolate.

Weather wise has improved but I fear for tomorrow since I'm sure it will be horrid and no clear idea if we'll get a repair man in tomorrow.

Have you tried something like this? My impression is that it works best with dry ice (usually available at the grocery stores). You'd need several to cool any significant space, but if it means you're not sweating pounds off daily ... well ...
Meh. I'm too lazy to start making things now. Maybe later when I'm dying of heat stroke. :p :)
Well, depending on where you're sweating, the hobo depots may be open all hours. It's brutal to try and sleep in this kind of heat! :)
I'm pretty sure Hobo depot doesn't need my complaining butt right now...

Wally World? They should have everything you need, even this late at night (if you're on the Least Coast like me). Could call 'em up and see if they have dry ice in stock. Maybe get a decent night's sleep. ;)


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BigNorseWolf wrote:

Let me give republicans a peek at the next 40 years of discussing anything.

"We are a part of hard work...." That elected trump, a man than inherited his millions.

"We are the party of personal responsibility..." that elected trump, who hid behind bankruptcy laws and piles of lawyers to avoiding paying bills.

"We are the party of smaller government...." that elected trump, who is fine with bribing the government to throw you out of your house so he can build a parking lot for limousines.

"We are the party of true america!"... that gleefully celebrates the time when half of it tried to not be america anymore so they could keep owning people.

"We are the party of true racial equality!" that elected trump because he said the same racist things strait out that republicans have been hinting at since nixon.

You elected trump. Your arguments are invalid. ALL of them.

I'm not going to vote for Trump, nor did I vote for him during the Primary.


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Turin the Mad wrote:
Scott Betts wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
I'm gonna wait, like, another 85 days or so to even begin posting on this thread, and probably won't really start giving my opinion on what happened until we're staring down the barrel of the 2020 primary. :P
If you haven't already decided who you're voting for in 2024, you're behind the times.
I do hope that was meant in jest. :)

I already have my vote planned until 2032. After that I am trying to decide between the clone of Attila the Hun, the new AI Overlord, or this sentient bacteria culture.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
Ok I'm done. If the FBI director saying "Yeah she did this, but no one will indict her" is gonna be dismissed, then, what's the point?

Yeah, she violated a lot of things, but no one gets indicted for doing what she did, especially in the state department. It's like the summer of 69 over there. If she was anyone else the spooks the would have annoyed her boss into chewing here out and that would be the end of it.

This is a complete, total, and utter non issue. You cannot harp on this and then tell me that the republicans are not the party of getting people irrationally angry to direct them away from the real source of our problems (the billionaires running both parties)

And on top of that, it's just the latest in a long series of witchhunts for the Clintons, from Whitewater to this email thing. Before this it was going to be Benghazi that finally took her down. (Of course in that one, Rep. McCarthy boasted about how it was damaging her politically.)

Years of investigations of multiple different scandals. Millions of dollars spent. Nothing comes of it.

For me, it's just Republicans crying Wolf. There's been so much unfairly thrown at her, I just assume whatever the latest is is just more of the same.


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Kryzbyn wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
That's not what Comey said.

He said she was "extremely careless" and that he believed hostile parties had access. The US code applies if it was willing or through negligence.

I guess it depends if you think extremely carless = negligence, I guess.

According to Comey, Gross negligence is the standard for the statute, which is an actual legal term. (There's also a higher level of negligence known as "willful and wanton.")

Looking at what Petreaus did compared to Hillary gave me a pretty simple way to give examples of the various levels of negligence, though -

Negligence: Hosting your top secret documents on an unsecured server.

Gross Negligence: Giving out the password to said server to your lover.

Willful and Wanton Negligence: Posting the password to said server on 4Chan.

The bottom line is that to be prosecuted and convicted Clinton needed to have f#~@ed up badly enough to meet at least that second level of negligence.

And after an exhaustive investigation the FBI concluded she hadn't, and that prosecuting her would just be a colossal waste of time of money.

Comey actually went well above and beyond for the Republicans with all of his "extremely careless" talk, even if the Republicans are too busy whining about the lack of prosecution to actually understand the gift Comey gave them.


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A candidate they can potentially beat?


Turin the Mad wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Turin,

If I had my choice? Probably something like Coldstone Creamery's Chocolate Devotion. Barring that, Turkey Hill's Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. If all else fails, there's a flavor by Kroger called Death by Chocolate.

Weather wise has improved but I fear for tomorrow since I'm sure it will be horrid and no clear idea if we'll get a repair man in tomorrow.

Have you tried something like this? My impression is that it works best with dry ice (usually available at the grocery stores). You'd need several to cool any significant space, but if it means you're not sweating pounds off daily ... well ...
Meh. I'm too lazy to start making things now. Maybe later when I'm dying of heat stroke. :p :)
Well, depending on where you're sweating, the hobo depots may be open all hours. It's brutal to try and sleep in this kind of heat! :)
I'm pretty sure Hobo depot doesn't need my complaining butt right now...
Wally World? They should have everything you need, even this late at night (if you're on the Least Coast like me). Could call 'em up and see if they have dry ice in stock. Maybe get a decent night's sleep. ;)

Eh. Firstly I don't know what Wally World is, much less if it exist in Morgantown, West Virginia. Secondly, my fan is doing okay...for now.

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Kryzbyn wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

Let me give republicans a peek at the next 40 years of discussing anything.

"We are a part of hard work...." That elected trump, a man than inherited his millions.

"We are the party of personal responsibility..." that elected trump, who hid behind bankruptcy laws and piles of lawyers to avoiding paying bills.

"We are the party of smaller government...." that elected trump, who is fine with bribing the government to throw you out of your house so he can build a parking lot for limousines.

"We are the party of true america!"... that gleefully celebrates the time when half of it tried to not be america anymore so they could keep owning people.

"We are the party of true racial equality!" that elected trump because he said the same racist things strait out that republicans have been hinting at since nixon.

You elected trump. Your arguments are invalid. ALL of them.

I'm not going to vote for Trump, nor did I vote for him during the Primary.

People who did were the ones shouting for "justice". If you don't want to defend their hypocrisy, don't mindlessly repeat their talking points. Clinton is not great, but at least make reasonable arguments when you criticize her.


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

Turin,

If I had my choice? Probably something like Coldstone Creamery's Chocolate Devotion. Barring that, Turkey Hill's Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough. If all else fails, there's a flavor by Kroger called Death by Chocolate.

Weather wise has improved but I fear for tomorrow since I'm sure it will be horrid and no clear idea if we'll get a repair man in tomorrow.

Have you tried something like this? My impression is that it works best with dry ice (usually available at the grocery stores). You'd need several to cool any significant space, but if it means you're not sweating pounds off daily ... well ...
Meh. I'm too lazy to start making things now. Maybe later when I'm dying of heat stroke. :p :)
Well, depending on where you're sweating, the hobo depots may be open all hours. It's brutal to try and sleep in this kind of heat! :)
I'm pretty sure Hobo depot doesn't need my complaining butt right now...
Wally World? They should have everything you need, even this late at night (if you're on the Least Coast like me). Could call 'em up and see if they have dry ice in stock. Maybe get a decent night's sleep. ;)
Eh. Firstly I don't know what Wally World is, much less if it exist in Morgantown, West Virginia. Secondly, my fan is doing okay...for now.

Wally World = Wal-Mart. You've got two more or less in town, one each north and south.

Glad that your fan is passing muster!


Oh THAT place. Yeah we have Wal-marts...but I don't think they'll let me sleep on their beds...


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Oh THAT place. Yeah we have Wal-marts...but I don't think they'll let me sleep on their beds...

*Laughing* Yeah, probably not. :)


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KingOfAnything wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

Let me give republicans a peek at the next 40 years of discussing anything.

"We are a part of hard work...." That elected trump, a man than inherited his millions.

"We are the party of personal responsibility..." that elected trump, who hid behind bankruptcy laws and piles of lawyers to avoiding paying bills.

"We are the party of smaller government...." that elected trump, who is fine with bribing the government to throw you out of your house so he can build a parking lot for limousines.

"We are the party of true america!"... that gleefully celebrates the time when half of it tried to not be america anymore so they could keep owning people.

"We are the party of true racial equality!" that elected trump because he said the same racist things strait out that republicans have been hinting at since nixon.

You elected trump. Your arguments are invalid. ALL of them.

I'm not going to vote for Trump, nor did I vote for him during the Primary.
People who did were the ones shouting for "justice". If you don't want to defend their hypocrisy, don't mindlessly repeat their talking points. Clinton is not great, but at least make reasonable arguments when you criticize her.

It's not mindless repetition. It's a point of concern having a commander in chief that doesn't care enough to secure confidential info in a lesser job. Or at least it should be.

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Turin the Mad wrote:
Wally World = Wal-Mart.

I thought it was the amusement park that Chevy Chase tried to take his family to?

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Samy wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
Wally World = Wal-Mart.
I thought it was the amusement park that Chevy Chase tried to take his family to?

Hey!

Clark succeeded in taking them to Wally World!


I don't Wally World is going to keep me cool. IE Chevy Chase's.

Also like I said, I don't think Wal-mart will let me sleep in their beds.


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Kryzbyn wrote:
It's not mindless repetition. It's a point of concern having a commander in chief that doesn't care enough to secure confidential info in a lesser job. Or at least it should be.

"Point of concern" is pretty far removed from "lock her up."

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Conservative Anklebiter wrote:
More like it's easy to derail a thread.

Hold on, everyone - we need to have a fifty-post discussion about this. Right here, right now.


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No.

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Yes.

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Question: At this point, how does the Republican party NOT get classified as a 'hate group'?

Certainly it historically hasn't always been, but looking at the RNC convention what possible argument could there be for claiming that the modern incarnation of the party isn't actively promoting hate against Muslims, Arabs, Hispanics, African-Americans, homosexuals, transgender individuals, et cetera.

Heck, it's practically an umbrella organization for hate groups.


Advocation and practice of hatred and hostility. Hrm ... well, in that case, you'd be locking up a sizable proportion of the civilian populace, and not just one skin color and gender. What they're not doing is the violence part, not yet.


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We are the party for traditional marriage. We are sooooo for it most of our candidates have done it multiple times.


Amusing, but that doesn't matter much when the divorce rate is somewhere around 45%, +/- 5%.


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Turin the Mad wrote:
Amusing, but that doesn't matter much when the divorce rate is somewhere around 45%, +/- 5%.

It does when you tout marriage as a sacred one man one woman institution imposed by the lord and author of creation.


How does the divorce rate excuse their hypocrisy?


Hitdice wrote:
How does the divorce rate excuse their hypocrisy?

It explains multiple marriages.


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Turin the Mad wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
How does the divorce rate excuse their hypocrisy?
It explains multiple marriages.

Chocholate is fine.

Olives are fine.

Chocolate covered olives are not.

The belief in marriage as a sacred institution is fine.

The belief that divorce is ok is fine.

But they do not go together.


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Turin the Mad wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
How does the divorce rate excuse their hypocrisy?
It explains multiple marriages.

Yes, multiple marriages would be much trickier without divorce. So what?

We've still got people ranting about defiling the sanctity of traditional marriage and supporting candidates with multiple divorces. That divorce is common these days does not mean it's part of traditional marriage.


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Samy wrote:
I'm also pretty happy with Clinton. I know she's not perfect -- I absolutely strongly would have preferred Sanders -- but I think she's pretty decent enough.

You know I'm not certain I would prefer Sanders as a president.

I mean I agree that his positions seem to line up better with mine overall but he has demonstrated some surprising political blindness this year if his goal was really the presidency.

Personally I am of the opinion that Sanders is a much stronger Senator than he would be president.


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Abraham spalding wrote:
Samy wrote:
I'm also pretty happy with Clinton. I know she's not perfect -- I absolutely strongly would have preferred Sanders -- but I think she's pretty decent enough.

You know I'm not certain I would prefer Sanders as a president.

I mean I agree that his positions seem to line up better with mine overall but he has demonstrated some surprising political blindness this year if his goal was really the presidency.

Personally I am of the opinion that Sanders is a much stronger Senator than he would be president.

Pretty much where I stand.

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I just hope that Gary Johnson's polls get up to 15%. I know he won't win the election no matter what, but if he gets up to 15% then he gets to be on the debate stage, and that would be hysterical.


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Charon's Little Helper wrote:
I just hope that Gary Johnson's polls get up to 15%. I know he won't win the election no matter what, but if he gets up to 15% then he gets to be on the debate stage, and that would be hysterical.

It would be interesting to see a Republican on the stage this year.

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Abraham spalding wrote:
Charon's Little Helper wrote:
I just hope that Gary Johnson's polls get up to 15%. I know he won't win the election no matter what, but if he gets up to 15% then he gets to be on the debate stage, and that would be hysterical.
It would be interesting to see a Republican on the stage this year.

Hillary Clinton - Sane Republican

Gary Johnson - Insane Republican
Donald Trump - Elder Mythos Republican


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CBDunkerson wrote:


Hillary Clinton - Sane Republican
Gary Johnson - Insane Republican
Donald Trump - Elder Mythos Republican

Dude, low blow.

Cuthulu has standards!


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Yeah. That's why I voted for him in the primary. XD


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Scott Betts wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
I'm gonna wait, like, another 85 days or so to even begin posting on this thread, and probably won't really start giving my opinion on what happened until we're staring down the barrel of the 2020 primary. :P
If you haven't already decided who you're voting for in 2024, you're behind the times.

Betts 2024!


radioactive orange mutant 2024...wait. he's already been president, can't elect him OR his tumor again.

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Abraham spalding wrote:

You know I'm not certain I would prefer Sanders as a president.

I mean I agree that his positions seem to line up better with mine overall but he has demonstrated some surprising political blindness this year if his goal was really the presidency.

Personally I am of the opinion that Sanders is a much stronger Senator than he would be president.

Those are good points, and honestly, what also makes me wonder about a Sanders presidency is that his ideas are so far out there and there's only so much one guy, even a president, can do. I mean, unless most (or even a sizable portion) of the party was behind him, he'd spend his tenure pushing for things and the party not backing him up, and nothing happens. With Clinton, maybe there's a chance of the president and the party working together.


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Samy wrote:
. With Clinton, maybe there's a chance of the president and the party working together.

Republicans are running on the golden mean fallacy.

If the compromise position is what gets passed, republicans have been steadily proposing more and more whacky ideas. Its not maybe 6 ppm of lead vs 15 ppm of lead, its lets abolish the EPA entirely so that 20 ppm looks ok by comparison.

If you don't start at the loony left you wind up center right as the compromise. They win just by you agreeing to the game.


thejeff wrote:
Turin the Mad wrote:
Hitdice wrote:
How does the divorce rate excuse their hypocrisy?
It explains multiple marriages.

Yes, multiple marriages would be much trickier without divorce. So what?

We've still got people ranting about defiling the sanctity of traditional marriage and supporting candidates with multiple divorces. That divorce is common these days does not mean it's part of traditional marriage.

People getting divorced and remarried has nothing to do with 'traditional' or any other flavor of marriage. Supporting candidates on their 2nd or 3rd marriage has no correlation with the candidates' views on marriage itself.

In 2013 75 members of Congress and 4 governors were not married. Across both majority parties.


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Maybe BNW isn't being clear?

He's not saying that he has a problem with people and/or candidates being divorced or remarried.

He's saying that someone who claims to be for "traditional" marriage who is on their 3rd or 4th spouse is not living up to the values that they claim they do.


Which is comparing apples to oranges.

Joe Puke's stand on marriage is X.

Joe Puke happens to be on his 2nd marriage.

Being re-married, a divorcee, a widower or never been married at all has nothing to do with X. It is Joe Puke's marital status, plain and simple.


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Kalindlara wrote:
Conservative Anklebiter wrote:
More like it's easy to derail a thread.
Hold on, everyone - we need to have a fifty-post discussion about this. Right here, right now.

About Ice cream and why air conditioning is no longer a luxury item in this age of heat death?


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Conservative Anklebiter wrote:
More like it's easy to derail a thread.
Hold on, everyone - we need to have a fifty-post discussion about this. Right here, right now.
About Ice cream and why air conditioning is no longer a luxury item in this age of heat death?

Substantive issues right there, yessirree. :)

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Turin the Mad wrote:
Being re-married, a divorcee, a widower or never been married at all has nothing to do with X. It is Joe Puke's marital status, plain and simple.

Except when X is "this ruins the sanctity of marriage" and Joe Puke's marital status is ALSO an example of ruining the sanctity of marriage.


Turin the Mad wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
Conservative Anklebiter wrote:
More like it's easy to derail a thread.
Hold on, everyone - we need to have a fifty-post discussion about this. Right here, right now.
About Ice cream and why air conditioning is no longer a luxury item in this age of heat death?
Substantive issues right there, yessirree. :)

Well one of them is certainly when you're AC is shot, your Mom won't hire anyone until Monday and she's like "It's a luxury item!"

(Yes I realize it's not 90 degrees out and I'm in the basement. I still don't want to sweat while I eat upstairs...)

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