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Well, her follow up paragraph is pretty notable, can't say I'm surprised it isn't quoted as often:
"But the other basket -- and I know this because I see friends from all over America here -- I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas -- as well as, you know, New York and California -- but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."
(Can't believe I've made a semi-pro Hillary post.)
For myself, I have thrown in my lot for Trump. I was waiting to see what bombshell would be thrown in October that would put Trump's back to the wall. I wanted to see if he would quit when it would look hopeless. Meaning actually quit the race or give up and just go through the motions until election day.
And he didn't quit. He actually fought back. For the first time in a long time, a Republican is actually fighting back harder than his Democrat opponent. He is fighting dirtier too.
So I respect his courage. Too many people in politics fold when the media turns against them, but Trump is someone who won't and he hits back when someone hits him.
He keeps hitting my enemies so how can I not cheer him on.
I still think there is another grenade coming in November designed to hit when there is no adequate time to respond. I also think the election will be close, but I won't call it for Trump. Not when the betting sites have him at 4:1 odds or longer.
Which "people in politics" have you seen "fold when the media turns against them?" Please offer specific examples.
Also, when did fighting dirtier become courageous? Cowards fight dirty.
When it's your hero that does it. It's not an uncommon reversal when you have a movie where your hero is a guerrilla soldier like Rambo, or Thomas Beckett in The Sniper series of movies. Lots of things people find unspeakable become acceptable against a politically acceptable target. Otherwise you wouldn't have so many people willing to embrace a sadistic serial killer as a hero in the show "Dexter".
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Yeah, it's a nice change to see someone attack Hillary for once. That's really never happened before in politics.God the snark levels are lethal. Everybody out of the thread, we need to fumigate.
More seriously: The biggest attempts I'm seeing to discredit Hillary come from the Wikileaks Emails, which are mostly being quoted out of context and when actually read don't really say anything incriminating; and from the new James O'Keefe videos which appear to feature Dems admitting to voter fraud, which do seem really damning until you remember that Mr. O'Keefe is not at all above editing videos in order to falsely push his Conservative agenda, as he was definitively caught doing with his last big leak regarding Planned Parenthood.
I'm unconvinced. If they had a curveball, they'd have thrown it by now.
I'd say that Podesta's recipe for rissotto is pretty damming stuff.
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The American population doesn't want "progressive." That's the mistake the Democrats made for more than 20 years (between 1968 and 1992).
Well this, plus Wikileaks quotes that the Clinton campaign didn't want to run against Jeb because there was little in his economic plan the Clinton campaign disagreed with, bodes pretty ominously for a "progressive" Clinton presidency.
You're probably right, but there seem to be quite a few liberals, some in this thread, who have spent a lot of time claiming, for example, that Bernie pulled her to the left, etc., etc.
Four- to eight-more years of neoliberal austerity coming your way, America. Start building your strike funds and community organizations now.
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Perhaps because cheering him on is encouraging his sexual assaults.I'm a Republican.
Well, I was one. For most of my life. I was very Center Right and even as the party got crazier and crazier, I tried defending it and defending it.
The straw that broke me was Trump getting the nomination. As much as I don't like Hillary, I looked at her platform, saw a lot of Center Right stuff that I used to count on from the Republicans and decided that given my choices, I had to hold my nose and vote for her.
I'm sorry, if this is the Republican Party now, this is where I get off the train.
So you didn't have any problem with a party that stuffed itself full of racists, misogynists, people who wanted to stuff their religion down our throats, who wanted to continue the senseless war on drugs, the imprisonment of people without trial, until Trump?
Every one of the other candidates from the Republican Party, (except for Kasich, who's main concern seemed to the free food at events) has offered positions either identical, or even worse than Trump's. The only difference is that Trump really doesn't bother to veneer with false notes of compassion, or fake morality. The only real contribution that Trump makes are his attacks on the functioning of democracy itself, but then again the Congressional Republicans have been doing that for the last 8 years.
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The American population doesn't want "progressive." That's the mistake the Democrats made for more than 20 years (between 1968 and 1992).
Well this, plus Wikileaks quotes that the Clinton campaign didn't want to run against Jeb because there was little in his economic plan the Clinton campaign disagreed with, bodes pretty ominously for a "progressive" Clinton presidency.
You're probably right, but there seem to be quite a few liberals, some in this thread, who have spent a lot of time claiming, for example, that Bernie pulled her to the left, etc., etc.
Four- to eight-more years of neoliberal austerity coming your way, America. Start building your strike funds and community organizations now.
Yeap, Bernie just wants his bust folks to consider a Trump presidency before voting. You could tell he doesn't believe he moved HRC one inch with his perma-grump face during the DNC. Like many HRC voters, he's reluctantly given in because the alternative is so awful.
Man I want lobster risotto now......
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I'd actually prefer if we don't do armchair diagnoses of people's mental health. There's plenty of other things to point to and say he's unfit to be president, we don't need to stigmatize mental health while doing it.narcissistic personality disorder
If you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may feel a sense of entitlement — and when you don't receive special treatment, you may become impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — for instance, the best car, athletic club or medical care.
At the same time, you have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation. To feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make yourself appear superior. Or you may feel depressed and moody because you fall short of perfection.
Text book description i'll let you guys decide how its related.
While I sympathize with the thought, I think it is vital for as many peeople as possible to learn the symptoms of NPD. It is common and getting more so, and it is a disorder that makes people hurt others regularly. Not to mention the cost of having these people act as they please in various positions of power. Trump is merely a textbook example (at least if his private persona is anything like his public one). As for the stigma of mental illness, I would welcome it if NPD finally got even a little bit of it and bipolar, depression, ASD, GAD, schizophrenia, etc, got a bit less. Somehow that has never happened.
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Trump is supported by almost half of the country, and she pretty much wrote them off the same way that Sarah Palin had done "The Other America" before.
That'd be true... except that Clinton said about half of Trump's supporters were in the 'deplorables' basket. So she was 'writing off' half of almost half of the country... about 20%.
Notably, there was some polling analysis after that which suggested she had slightly underestimated... more than 60% of Trump supporters expressed racist, sexist, and/or religiously biased views.
So basically Clinton's 'mistake' was telling the truth about her opponent's supporters.
Trump is supported by almost half of the country, and she pretty much wrote them off the same way that Sarah Palin had done "The Other America" before.That'd be true... except that Clinton said about half of Trump's supporters were in the 'deplorables' basket. So she was 'writing off' half of almost half of the country... about 20%.
Notably, there was some polling analysis after that which suggested she had slightly underestimated... more than 60% of Trump supporters expressed racist, sexist, and/or religiously biased views.
So basically Clinton's 'mistake' was telling the truth about her opponent's supporters.
Well, yes. Because it fed into the narrative driving her opponent. She could have made the point instead that racism, sexism, and religous intolerance were driving Trump's engine instead of tarring an entire population with that brush. Accurate or not, that always backfires. And fair or not, she is being held up to different standards than her opponent.
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Trump is supported by almost half of the country, and she pretty much wrote them off the same way that Sarah Palin had done "The Other America" before.That'd be true... except that Clinton said about half of Trump's supporters were in the 'deplorables' basket. So she was 'writing off' half of almost half of the country... about 20%.
Notably, there was some polling analysis after that which suggested she had slightly underestimated... more than 60% of Trump supporters expressed racist, sexist, and/or religiously biased views.
So basically Clinton's 'mistake' was telling the truth about her opponent's supporters.
I told my friend the "truth" of what I thought about his facial hair, once. Never again.:/
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Well, yes. Because it fed into the narrative driving her opponent. She could have made the point instead that racism, sexism, and religous intolerance were driving Trump's engine instead of tarring an entire population with that brush. Accurate or not, that always backfires. And fair or not, she is being held up to different standards than her opponent.Trump is supported by almost half of the country, and she pretty much wrote them off the same way that Sarah Palin had done "The Other America" before.That'd be true... except that Clinton said about half of Trump's supporters were in the 'deplorables' basket. So she was 'writing off' half of almost half of the country... about 20%.
Notably, there was some polling analysis after that which suggested she had slightly underestimated... more than 60% of Trump supporters expressed racist, sexist, and/or religiously biased views.
So basically Clinton's 'mistake' was telling the truth about her opponent's supporters.
Its true this type of criticism is what killed Rommney's shot back in 2012. However, Rommney wasn't facing a rolling dumpster fire of controversy so it hurt him more.
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In Podesta's defense, risotto is not an easy dish to master.
Actually, it's easier than you think. (The whipped cream is totally optional; it's perfectly delicious enough without it.)
Cards Against Humanity creators take billboard add accusing Trump of being a Hanzo Main
Having a "main" in Overwatch... dishonorable.
Well, yes. Because it fed into the narrative driving her opponent. She could have made the point instead that racism, sexism, and religious intolerance were driving Trump's engine instead of tarring an entire population with that brush. Accurate or not, that always backfires. And fair or not, she is being held up to different standards than her opponent.Trump is supported by almost half of the country, and she pretty much wrote them off the same way that Sarah Palin had done "The Other America" before.That'd be true... except that Clinton said about half of Trump's supporters were in the 'deplorables' basket. So she was 'writing off' half of almost half of the country... about 20%.
Notably, there was some polling analysis after that which suggested she had slightly underestimated... more than 60% of Trump supporters expressed racist, sexist, and/or religiously biased views.
So basically Clinton's 'mistake' was telling the truth about her opponent's supporters.
The problem with the Basket of Deplorables statement isn't that she's right or that she had the temerity to call it out. The problem was (and is) that no matter how precisely she made the statement, the press was going to deliberately truncate the statement into a soundbyte and run with it. Because most of them (and their corporate masters) aren't interested in journalism or even basic honest reporting; they are focused on $$ratings$$. They thought pushing the "close horserace" narrative is the means to that end.
Completely contrary to the Repub/Conservative narrative, the media does not have a Liberal bias. And the media has a long-standing hate-on for the Clintons. The only reason the media narrative has changed is because Trump f!cked up: he has jerked them around about the press plane, he started vindictively pulling access to his campaign, he tricked them all into looking like idiots promoting his new DC hotel, and he kept talking about turning libel law against reporters--including threatening reporters with jail time and suing companies like Gawker out of business. If Trump hadn't screwed up repeatedly with them, we would likely be looking at very different media coverage and a different media narrative.
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It is important to register all possible domain names
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Cards Against Humanity creators take billboard add accusing Trump of being a Hanzo MainHaving a "main" in Overwatch... dishonorable.
Pence uses a touchpad and plays Widowmaker only
Pence uses a touchpad and plays Widowmaker onlyCards Against Humanity creators take billboard add accusing Trump of being a Hanzo MainHaving a "main" in Overwatch... dishonorable.
Actually he's the bored security officer playing Hearthstone in the original cinematic.
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In Podesta's defense, risotto is not an easy dish to master.Actually, it's easier than you think. (The whipped cream is totally optional; it's perfectly delicious enough without it.)
Hmmmm, there's a lot to like there. Never thought about cooking it in a wide pan, but it makes a lot of sense!
So the people who are mad at eastern elites who are out of touch with the moral center are voting for Trump?"Basket of Deplorables" is really just the nicest way to say "Bag of Dicks" you could manage on television.But it was a strategic mistake to frame things the way Clinton did. It fed into the perception of the Midwestern and rural areas that she's part of the Eastern elite who are out of touch with the moral center of the rest of the country.
Trump is supported by almost half of the country, and she pretty much wrote them off the same way that Sarah Palin had done "The Other America" before.
They lost their credibility for holding the "moral center" way back when they picked the false idol St. Raygun over an actual walk-the-walk Christian, Jimmy Carter.
Hmmmm, there's a lot to like there. Never thought about cooking it in a wide pan, but it makes a lot of sense!In Podesta's defense, risotto is not an easy dish to master.Actually, it's easier than you think. (The whipped cream is totally optional; it's perfectly delicious enough without it.)
The Spanish have made paella in a wide pan for over a hundred years; there had to be some benefit to doing it that way for the technique to survive.
Damnit! How can I be hungry for risotto and paella when I just ate 15 minutes ago?
They lost their credibility for holding the "moral center" way back when they picked the false idol St. Raygun over an actual walk-the-walk Christian, Jimmy Carter.So the people who are mad at eastern elites who are out of touch with the moral center are voting for Trump?"Basket of Deplorables" is really just the nicest way to say "Bag of Dicks" you could manage on television.But it was a strategic mistake to frame things the way Clinton did. It fed into the perception of the Midwestern and rural areas that she's part of the Eastern elite who are out of touch with the moral center of the rest of the country.
Trump is supported by almost half of the country, and she pretty much wrote them off the same way that Sarah Palin had done "The Other America" before.
To be fair, "Christian" covers a whole lot of ground, and the Moral Majority, the Christian Voice, and so forth were very opposed to President Carter because he was taking decisions that they disagreed with. (For example, Carter opposed prayer in schools and supported the traditional Baptist position of separation of church and state; Jerry Falwell, although also a Baptist, took a different theological position.)
The only majority that is moral are Archons. :p ;)
Knight,
I'm thinking it means she's staying out of the politics until this whole thing is resolved.
Part of me wishes I could... but the rest of me wants to be a well-informed voter. XD; So I can't technically stay out of it.
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I told my friend the "truth" of what I thought about his facial hair, once. Never again.:/Trump is supported by almost half of the country, and she pretty much wrote them off the same way that Sarah Palin had done "The Other America" before.That'd be true... except that Clinton said about half of Trump's supporters were in the 'deplorables' basket. So she was 'writing off' half of almost half of the country... about 20%.
Notably, there was some polling analysis after that which suggested she had slightly underestimated... more than 60% of Trump supporters expressed racist, sexist, and/or religiously biased views.
So basically Clinton's 'mistake' was telling the truth about her opponent's supporters.
A friend of mine uses comments on his beard to judge whether people are actually his friends. He knows it's awful looking and those of us who've known him for years and told him as much. I was the best man at his wedding, I think his beard looks bad. I still encourage him to grow it though, if that's what he wants.
His fake-friend coworkers tell him his beard looks awesome.
Red, I meant Ivanka, not you. :p ;)
I told my friend the "truth" of what I thought about his facial hair, once. Never again.:/Trump is supported by almost half of the country, and she pretty much wrote them off the same way that Sarah Palin had done "The Other America" before.That'd be true... except that Clinton said about half of Trump's supporters were in the 'deplorables' basket. So she was 'writing off' half of almost half of the country... about 20%.
Notably, there was some polling analysis after that which suggested she had slightly underestimated... more than 60% of Trump supporters expressed racist, sexist, and/or religiously biased views.
So basically Clinton's 'mistake' was telling the truth about her opponent's supporters.
A friend of mine uses comments on his beard to judge whether people are actually his friends. He knows it's awful looking and those of us who've known him for years and told him as much. I was the best man at his wedding, I think his beard looks bad. I still encourage him to grow it though, if that's what he wants.
His fake-friend coworkers tell him his beard looks awesome.
That's not really fair. Corporate etiquette has different standards of behavior and dress than that between two private individuals.
Considering the general conformity that most people have to subscribe to in a corporate environment, maybe his beard IS an awesome experience to them.
Cards Against Humanity creators take billboard add accusing Trump of being a Hanzo Main
Damn. i realize it's Donald trump but thats LOW man. Really low...
Obviously this is to throw him off his game tonight
I told my friend the "truth" of what I thought about his facial hair, once. Never again.:/Trump is supported by almost half of the country, and she pretty much wrote them off the same way that Sarah Palin had done "The Other America" before.That'd be true... except that Clinton said about half of Trump's supporters were in the 'deplorables' basket. So she was 'writing off' half of almost half of the country... about 20%.
Notably, there was some polling analysis after that which suggested she had slightly underestimated... more than 60% of Trump supporters expressed racist, sexist, and/or religiously biased views.
So basically Clinton's 'mistake' was telling the truth about her opponent's supporters.
A friend of mine uses comments on his beard to judge whether people are actually his friends. He knows it's awful looking and those of us who've known him for years and told him as much. I was the best man at his wedding, I think his beard looks bad. I still encourage him to grow it though, if that's what he wants.
His fake-friend coworkers tell him his beard looks awesome.
That's not really fair. Corporate etiquette has different standards of behavior and dress than that between two private individuals.
Considering the general conformity that most people have to subscribe to in a corporate environment, maybe his beard IS an awesome experience to them.
I've seen it. It's really not.
BTW, I spent 8 years in the military, so I'm VERY familiar with having to subscribe to conformity when it comes to appearance.
I saw an interesting ad while driving to and from some volunteer things over the past weekend.
One of the most markedly interesting things was a big billboard for Gary Johnson.
It had him and his VP running mate and only TWO WORDS on the sign.
Not Trump.
I wonder how well that sign works for him.
I saw an interesting ad while driving to and from some volunteer things over the past weekend.
One of the most markedly interesting things was a big billboard for Gary Johnson.
It had him and his VP running mate and only TWO WORDS on the sign.
Not Trump.
I wonder how well that sign works for him.
You sure it was a sign FOR him?
You sure it was a sign FOR him?I saw an interesting ad while driving to and from some volunteer things over the past weekend.
One of the most markedly interesting things was a big billboard for Gary Johnson.
It had him and his VP running mate and only TWO WORDS on the sign.
Not Trump.
I wonder how well that sign works for him.
Now that I think about it, I thought it was due to his picture and his VP choice on it, but honestly, I don't know.
Now that I think about it, I thought it was due to his picture and his VP choice on it, but honestly, I don't know.You sure it was a sign FOR him?I saw an interesting ad while driving to and from some volunteer things over the past weekend.
One of the most markedly interesting things was a big billboard for Gary Johnson.
It had him and his VP running mate and only TWO WORDS on the sign.
Not Trump.
I wonder how well that sign works for him.
If this is a battle ground state, than Clinton is no doubt keeping in mind that Ralph Nader pulled 100,000 votes in another key state that Bob Gore lost by only 500. And that loss decided the election.
Bob Gore is a horrifying parody character you get when you brundlefly Norm Macdonald and Darrell Hammond together in a telepod.
Bob Gore is a horrifying parody character you get when you brundlefly Norm Macdonald and Darrell Hammond together in a telepod.
Oops..I just got Bobs on my mind lately. I meant Al the Gorebot.
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Al Gore should have a cameo in the new Westworld show.
Bob Dole, not male, not female, not human... but a beam of pure energy.
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If this is a battle ground state, than Clinton is no doubt keeping in mind that Ralph Nader pulled 100,000 votes in another key state that Bob Gore lost by only 500. And that loss decided the election.
Nader only drew 24,000 Democrats to his cause, yet 308,000 Democrats voted for Bush.
Democrats got Bush elected in Florida. Nader didn't force any democrats to vote for Bush, they did it themselves. If the democratic party actually took responsibility, rather then make up myths about Nader "spoiling" the election, they not be in such a sorry state.
EDIT: That is all I will say about the whole Bush/Gore Florida thing. It is ancient history, and there have been enough internet arguments about it already.