So if I read it correctly, if I am medium sized character I can wield a huge weapon at a -4 penalty? Its only -2 for each size larger?
If I am a titan mauler then the massive weapon bonus only applies for weapons 1 size larger?
So then how would it work if I wanted to wield a huge great sword? Or is that even possible? Its more or less for a character concept.
So then by the way you word it with the titan mauler I can wield a large great sword and the reduction would apply?
So then how would it work if I wanted to wield a huge great sword? Or is that even possible? Its more or less for a character concept.
So then by the way you word it with the titan mauler I can wield a large great sword and the reduction would apply?
You cannot wield any two handed weapon that is larger than your normal size. In 3.5 Races with Powerful Build could but that only allowed you to use weapons one size larger than yourself without penalty.
As a titan mauler though you can use a large size two handed weapon (assuming your character is a medium race) at a penalty modified by the Massive Weapons ability for your barbarian level.
At level 3 you could use a large size two handed weapon at a -5.
At level 6 you could use a large size two handed weapon at a -4.
At level 9 you could use a large size two handed weapon at a -3.
At level 12 you could use a large size two handed weapon at a -2.
At level 15 you could use a large size two handed weapon at a -1.
And at level 18 you could use a large size two handed weapon at no penalty,
Titan maulers can never use Huge 2 handed or even 1 handed weapons. No medium character can.
Awesome thanks. I didn't realize what Bob Bob Bob said was how it worked. And that was going to be my next question, in regards to the penalties. Sweet. Well even though my build isn't quite the way I want it, this will work.
|
Additionally, an Enlarge Person spell would let a Titan Mauler use a Huge Greatsword, but only while they were enlarged.Except that Enlarge Person also enlarges the target's equipment (so when the enlarged Titan Mauler tries to pick up the huge greatsword, it becomes a gargantuan one he can't wield). Unless what you had in mind is that the Titan's Mauler large greatsword becomes huge while the Titan Mauler is affected by Enlarge Person and wielding it.
Actually enlarge person only affects the stuff you're currently carrying. So if you put down the greatsword, get hit with EL, and then pick the greatsword back up its size wouldn't change.
|
|
Actually enlarge person only affects the stuff you're currently carrying. So if you put down the greatsword, get hit with EL, and then pick the greatsword back up its size wouldn't change.All equipment worn or carried by a creature is similarly enlarged by the spell. Melee weapons affected by this spell deal more damage (see Table: Tiny and Large Weapon Damage). Other magical properties are not affected by this spell. Any enlarged item that leaves an enlarged creature's possession (including a projectile or thrown weapon) instantly returns to its normal size. This means that thrown and projectile weapons deal their normal damage. Magical properties of enlarged items are not increased by this spell.The spell description doesn't say that only the equipment worn or carried at the time of casting is affected. Also, since items that leave an enlarged character's possession revert to their normal size, it makes more sense to have items picked up by the character become enlarged as well (items are enlarged as long as they are carried or worn by an enlarged character). Under your interpretation, disarming an enlarged character makes their weapon mostly useless (reduced damage, penalty for inappropriate size) to them for the remaining duration of the spell.
Uh, no. It says so in the first sentence you qouted. And then it also says anything the leaves their possession returns to their original size.
|
|
Uh, no. It says so in the first sentence you qouted.It doesn't say that. There's no reason the first sentence doesn't apply to equipment carried or worn at any time during the spell's duration. When a character picks up an item, it obviously becomes carried by the character.
Yes it becomes "carried" but it wasn't carried at the time of the casting, hence it doesn't become enlarged.
To put it another way nothing in the spell says stuff you pick up is enlarged.
|
If you have thunder and fang yoi can wield a huge two handed earthbreaker.More precisely, expect table variance on this huge two handed earth breaker concept.
No more table variation, thanks to the Campaign Clarifications document.
The feat now works as intended.
Home GMs can of course ignore whatever they want.
Tital Mauler + Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword = huge bastard sword used two handed.
Or, play a dwarven Titan Mauler and use a huge dwarven axe.
Tital Mauler + Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword = huge bastard sword used two handed.
This doesn't work.
"She can use two-handed weapons meant for creatures one size category larger"
Bastard sword with exotic proficiency is a one-handed weapon. Since it's not a two-handed weapon meant for large creatures aka a large two-handed weapon, it doesn't work with this ability.
Tital Mauler + Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword = huge bastard sword used two handed.This doesn't work.
"She can use two-handed weapons meant for creatures one size category larger"
Bastard sword with exotic proficiency is a one-handed weapon. Since it's not a two-handed weapon meant for large creatures aka a large two-handed weapon, it doesn't work with this ability.
Anyone with the exotic weapon proficiency can wield a large bastard sword in two hands.
The titan mauler can wield a weapon one size category larger.
Or are you arguing that the titan mauler suffers additional penalties for two handing a large bastard sword that other classes do not suffer (i.e. a -4 penalty instead of the standard -2 penalty any other class takes) while still being unable to use a weapon one size category larger than that used by any other class.
The titan mauler can wield large without the feat at -6 as a large THW.
The titan mauler can wield a large with the feat at -2, same as everyone.
Titan mauler cannot wield a huge one without the feat, as it's a huge THW which is too big.
Titan mauler cannot wield a huge one with the feat as it's a huge one handed weapon. AKA, not a large two handed weapon which is "a two handed weapon meant for one size larger." So while a large character could wield a huge bastard sword with the feat as an Inappropriately sized TH weapon, it doesn't fall under the titan maulers ability, as it's not meant as a large THW.
So it's because the ability is not, "can wield one size larger than normal", but "can wield a THW meant for one size larger" that stops bastard swords from benefiting.
So it's because the ability is not, "can wield one size larger than normal", but "can wield a THW meant for one size larger" that stops bastard swords from benefiting.
No difference in game.
You are arguing the titan mauler is restricted to the same size weapon as everyone else, even after the errata.
So it's because the ability is not, "can wield one size larger than normal", but "can wield a THW meant for one size larger" that stops bastard swords from benefiting.
No difference in game.
You are arguing the titan mauler is restricted to the same size weapon as everyone else, even after the errata.
No. He's saying a medium titam mauler can wield a large two-handed weapon (categorized as a two-handed weapon), which normally is impossible.
But, a huge bastard sword is not a large two-handed weapon...it is a huge one handed weapon. Even though the weapon takes the same handedness of a large two-handed weapon, it does not make it one.
So it's because the ability is not, "can wield one size larger than normal", but "can wield a THW meant for one size larger" that stops bastard swords from benefiting.No difference in game.
You are arguing the titan mauler is restricted to the same size weapon as everyone else, even after the errata.
Barb can wield a medium greatsword no penalties.
Barb can wield a large longsword at -2 like everyone else.Barb can wield a large greatsword at -6 because it is a THW meant for one size larger.
Barb cannot wield a Huge Longsword, as it's not a THW meant for one size larger. Even though a large character can wield it as an INNAPROPRIATE sized THW it's still not MEANT for them. It's meant as a one handed huge weapon.
Barb can wield a huge dagger as a THW at -4 like everyone else.
Barb cannot wield a gargantuan dagger, as it's not a THW meant for a large character. Since a large character would be taking inappropriate size penalties to wield it it's not meant as a THW for them.
|
|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
It is a PFS document (hence why I stated, "Home GMs can of course ignore whatever they want"), but it's how the creator of the feat always intended it to work.
Interpretations such as "Huge-sized Earthbreakers" and "Dual-wielding Earthbreakers" are purely player creations.
|
|
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
It's a spell with a duration, not an instantaneous one.I still don't see where you get "at the time of the casting" from the spell description.The fact that it's a spell?
Yes, but nowhere does it say that it continually enlarges things that you pick up after the spell has been cast.
|
|
Yes, but nowhere does it say that it continually enlarges things that you pick up after the spell has been cast.It's a spell with a duration, not an instantaneous one.I still don't see where you get "at the time of the casting" from the spell description.The fact that it's a spell?
This is why it always perplexed me why anyone would want to have a permanencied Enlarge Person cast on them.
|
|
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
This is why it always perplexed me why anyone would want to have a permanencied Enlarge Person cast on them.Yes, but nowhere does it say that it continually enlarges things that you pick up after the spell has been cast.It's a spell with a duration, not an instantaneous one.I still don't see where you get "at the time of the casting" from the spell description.The fact that it's a spell?
Compensating.
|
|
This is why it always perplexed me why anyone would want to have a permanence Enlarge Person cast on them.Generally you do this when your gear set is large/huge as desired and you drop it so you can pick it up and it's "normal" now.
In fact, this is the Iconic Antipaladin for Hell's Vengeance whole shtick (he's a Duergar).
|
For big weapon damage, try a Large (Oak) club, with shillelagh and enlarge person.
Normal medium character with Large club 1d8 damage
Enlarge person raises weapon size by 1, for 2d6 damage
Shillelagh treats weapon as if 2 sizes larger, for 4d6 damage.
It being oversized makes it -2 to attack, but it's normally 1 handed so a normal PC can do this. Enlarge person as +2 strength, so +1 to attack and +1 damage. Shillelagh adds +1 enhancement on attack and damage rolls, so now you wield it at no penalty with +2 damage (and in two hands for 1.5x damage).
Best bit is that the club has a base cost of "-" so a large club is still free.
| 2 people marked this as a favorite. |
For big weapon damage, try a Large (Oak) club, with shillelagh and enlarge person.
Normal medium character with Large club 1d8 damage
Enlarge person raises weapon size by 1, for 2d6 damage
Shillelagh treats weapon as if 2 sizes larger, for 4d6 damage.It being oversized makes it -2 to attack, but it's normally 1 handed so a normal PC can do this. Enlarge person as +2 strength, so +1 to attack and +1 damage. Shillelagh adds +1 enhancement on attack and damage rolls, so now you wield it at no penalty with +2 damage (and in two hands for 1.5x damage).
Best bit is that the club has a base cost of "-" so a large club is still free.
Don't forget the -1 size penalty to attack rolls when you become large from enlarge person though...
| 1 person marked this as a favorite. |
A huge greatsword would be between 16' and 32' long. Big anime swords are one thing but a sword 3-5 times as big as you is definitely something that won't work simply on muscle power. I'd also expect some problems dealing with that big a weapon.