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F~~@ yeah!

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Sharoth wrote:
Wonder Woman's Wrath - Music / Theme | Wonder Woman (2017) - just music.

This music makes me want to kill things.

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Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
Sharoth wrote:
Wonder Woman's Wrath - Music / Theme | Wonder Woman (2017) - just music.
This music makes me want to kill things.

Yay!

Edit: not quite sure why my response was a "Yay!" there, guess I just like Wrath.


I just saw the move and it is great. Though I hope that the sequel will have more Greek myth stuff.


Set wrote:

All I know is that Marvel has to up it's game with their plans for movies like Black Panther and Captain Marvel, because DC seems to have figured it out, and is now coming out swinging, Amazon princess in the lead. Good for them!

I have absolute faith in DC's ability to return to suckage no matter how well Wonder Woman does, critically and at the box office.


Damon,

I have faith they'll make an average Justice League, a decent Aquaman movie and probably a very dark Flash that will annoy the rest of us.

As for Wonder Woman's box office bonanza, I'm all for it.


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how much do you wanna bet that the next Justice League trailer is going to have way way more Wonder Woman


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Rysky wrote:
Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
Sharoth wrote:
Wonder Woman's Wrath - Music / Theme | Wonder Woman (2017) - just music.
This music makes me want to kill things.

Yay!

Edit: not quite sure why my response was a "Yay!" there, guess I just like Wrath.

Operative: "Do you know what your sin is, Mal."

Mal: "Oh gee, I love them all, but right now, I'd have to say it's wrath."


MMC,

I think it depends on how much Snyder and Whedon give us...


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I'll let my goblin alias handle this one.


I enjoyed the movie. The best DC film yet imo. My own major thing I disliked

Possible plot hole:
She defeats Ares the god of War. Yet she has such trouble against Doomsday in BVS. Maybe because Doomsday is a alien.

That being said as some have said DC needs to keep bring more movies like WW.

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ravenharm wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
ravenharm wrote:
i'm just going to say it again. not a fan. hope that film dies like fan4stic

Not all films, or superheroes, are beloved or enjoyed by all filmgoers. And that's fine. No one is forcing anyone to go see them.

But to hope the film fails just because you're "not a fan?" Maybe just accept that this film wasn't meant for you, and let those who are fans enjoy it? Me? I'm excited to finally see a woman lead in a solo superhero summer blockbuster. I wish I had young nieces or female cousins to take to it.

Ah. Your right, no one is forcing me to go see it. (because i won't)

Any chance i get to trash on this movie, i'll take it. I may not have the popular opinion, but i'm still allowed to express it.

Your also right on this; The truth is that the film is in no way meant for me. My biggest problem is that i like Wonder Woman, and wanted her portrayed accurate to the depiction in the Comics (as an Amazon Warrior) and my own personal head canon (based in amazonian Greek Myth). She will be the first Greek character in any comic cinematic universe that isn't an assassin, terrorist, goofy, or a villain. This movie was super important to me.

I also agree that its time we see a Female Lead in a Comic Movie, and Wonder Woman is iconic.

I still hope the movie fails, but only in the sense for it to go to another director who can do the movie better, and pick an appropriate lead.

Gal is a horrible fit for the role, and as much as others have attacked Gina's acting ability, Gal isn't winning Oscars any time soon on hers. (i only attack Gal on her choreography in Batman Vs Superman)

I would venture to say that Gina isn't a great actress, but certainly more believable than Gal when portraying an Action Role like this.

*giggles*


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The Thing From Another World wrote:
** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
She was made to defeat Ares. Doomsday was something else entirely- note that she takes Ares out by reflecting his own divine power back at him.

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Saw it today and loved it. Much better than the rest of the recent DC stuff.

The very end with her response to Bruce about the photo and her ending monologue I though really capture who she is

For a Sequel: I want WW2, Diana forms the JSA to take the Spear of Destiny from the Germans


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Greylurker wrote:

For a Sequel: I want WW2, Diana forms the JSA to take the Spear of Destiny from the Germans

And now I REALLY want to see that movie.

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Also older and more world weary Steve Trevor. And a line "you haven't aged a day"

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Hama wrote:
Also older and more world weary Steve Trevor. And a line "you haven't aged a day"

Spoiler:
;_;

ShinHakkaider wrote:
Greylurker wrote:

For a Sequel: I want WW2, Diana forms the JSA to take the Spear of Destiny from the Germans

And now I REALLY want to see that movie.

That would be an AWESOME movie. :)


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Thomas Seitz wrote:
ShinHakkaider wrote:
Greylurker wrote:

For a Sequel: I want WW2, Diana forms the JSA to take the Spear of Destiny from the Germans

And now I REALLY want to see that movie.
That would be an AWESOME movie. :)

There is a nice hook to start it with too.

Dr. Poison.

She survived and she knows Diana's true nature (as she was right there in the middle of her chat with Ares). She would know that for Germany to win the next war Diana needs to be stopped. She would probably go into research mode and discover

A Weapon that has tasted the blood of God
The only Weapon that could kill a God.


And maybe just maybe we'll get an underused villain named Holocaust.


Finally saw it I was not disappointed best one dc has made since the batman with heath ledger.

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Magnificent! They got pretty much everything right, pulling from the best of her lore over decades.


Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
Magnificent! They got pretty much everything right, pulling from the best of her lore over decades.

I liked that she was a goddess/demi-goddess? Didn't know DC aeries killed off the rest of the pantheon is that cannon? He went and kratossed them all.


That was the only real problem I have with this movie's story is them killing off the other deities. They loose so much potential for interesting characters/stories with that.

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Just because he says he did, doesn't mean it's true. Or that they didn't fool him into thinking he did.


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Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
Magnificent! They got pretty much everything right, pulling from the best of her lore over decades.

I'm glad you got a chance to see it, I was going to get you tickets if you hadn't seen it in a few weeks.

Scarab Sages

Hoping I get a chance to see this. If the chance exists, however, it's practically nano-thin.


i am probably going to see it in ike 2 hours...is there post credit scenes?


John Kretzer wrote:
i am probably going to see it in ike 2 hours...is there post credit scenes?

According to the internet, no. I didn't stick around myself.


nope, no post credit scene


I would say the movie is decent and enjoyable but fails to be a truly great movie.

For a movie dealing with such a complex thematic as the warmongering nature of humankind the end result is too simplistic. There too many missing opportunities. The way the final battle ends is quite disappointing also.

Grand Lodge

Most of the characters were great. There were a lot of small moments that made the film really enjoyable. It's the overall story, those nonsensical bad guy motives and the final battle that still have me scratching my head.

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Alexandros Satorum wrote:
For a movie dealing with such a complex thematic as the warmongering nature of humankind the end result is too simplistic. There too many missing opportunities. The way the final battle ends is quite disappointing also.

Spoiler:
I kind of hyped myself to see themes like 'Diana, Ambassador of Peace' and 'she can stop a war with love' to get more play, and less CGI monster brawl at the end. They didn't go there with the movie, making the final 'boss' a standard depth-less villain in need of face-punching, but I was thinking throughout the movie that everything we were seeing was very much the sort of thing that he'd *hate.* No glory, no bloody striving of champion vs. champion, nothing that would fit his generation's concept of 'war.' Instead it was all people hiding in holes in the ground, and dying from poison, as much as anything else. It was depersonalized and took anything that would make war glorious away, leaving it a bleak numbers game of 'how efficiently can I pile up the most corpses.' It seemed to me that, had he not been utterly out of character for a proud violent war god, Diana could have forced him (via lasso of truth, if nothing else) to admit that this whole trench-warfare, no man's land, poison-gas-as-a-weapon brand of war was utterly loathsome, to him. He was a god of war, not a god of death or genocide or poison. Poison gas, indeed, might seem like a 'coward's weapon' to someone who idealizes killing people with a spear or a sword, face to face, with strength of arm and courage of heart, instead of wars being won by whoever has the smartest and least ethical chemist working in a lab, miles away from the battlefield.

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That all said, I don't know if the world is ready for a movie in which the big climactic ending is the hero convincing the villain that he's made a bad life choice and needs to rethink his priorities. And so we get CGI-palooza, again, and another empty two-dimensional villain, and a hero who solves her problems by punching face.

I loved the first third of the movie, set on Themiscrya, and toddler Diana was cute as heck. I liked some individual bits of the middle, with the amazing No Man's Land power-walk, and, more importantly, all the scenes leading up to it, where Diana is visibly shaken by all of the wounded and struggling people she can't save, with Steve constantly dragging her forward, until she finally says 'F this' and slaps his hand away and goes and makes a difference, just like he's been telling her she can't do, that she can't stop to save people, until she did. I loved that. Until the town she saved just arbitrarily got gassed, and suddenly Wonder Woman was wrong and Steve Trevor was right. She didn't make a difference. She might as well have kept walking. Stomped right on the message, there. And then Ares needs to be beaten up in a dramatic climactic final battle to save the day, which is the end of every other super-hero movie.

I wanted something more, something better, something new, and I got the same thing I had for dinner last week, and the week before. It wasn't bad, but it didn't exactly break new ground, like I'd hoped.


@ Set

Spoiler:

Funny thing.

I was waiting the opposite I believe. A more darker thing where after killing some german soldiers suddenly there were not so clearer distinction between good and evil.

When she killed the german general and the war went on I had hopes for a better ending. But then she killed Ares (in a very boringly cliché way) and the war ends and everyone are friends again...what a shallow ending.

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On the other hand:

Spoiler:
It is on point showing that it is not the soldiers that lust for war and battle, and that these men in trenches do not have anything against each other. And when the first German soldier takes of his mask- he is a boy, teenager, sent to die in war he has no claim. The war was ending anyway, the peace negotiations were underway. But Diana managing to stop a small troop of soldiers of killing his friends? That is a victory that is achieved by killing Ares. Why?

Because Steve had already won the war by destroying the plane. What was left was a fight for the soul of Diana and humanity.


yes, but

Spoiler:
it is not that like really naive?. The teenager that took their mask were the same she was murdering minutes ago. The killing of Ares did not achieve the claimed/hoped result (there were the nuclear bombing of japan just after the peace with germany). No misbehaviour of the alleys soldiers was ever hinted, it was all to black and white.

Though what you say is something I have to consider more carefully.

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.... that was World War 2, not World War 1.


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Rysky wrote:
.... that was World War 2, not World War 1.

Ehhhhhh.... actually THAT rabbit hole makes his point even moreso- The Central Powers were not much (if at all) worse than the Allies in World War I on moral/ethical grounds. For Germany's brutal occupation of Belgium, see the Allies' postwar Middle Eastern land grab...

I think the movie made some gestures toward "most Germans aren't lunatics like Ludendorff and Doctor Poison," but they really seem to want to avoid making Diana think too much about the guys whose skulls she's caving in.


Rysky wrote:
.... that was World War 2, not World War 1.

oh,...that actually explains a lot.


Rysky wrote:
.... that was World War 2, not World War 1.

I think this was also supposed to be a Wwii movie but that was dropped for reasons.

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Eh, easy to understand. For one, not being compared to Captain America First Avenger AND using a bit less used era as a background. And that "war is bad and there are no bad guys expect maybe metaphysical ones influencing men" is so much easier to done with morally grey WW1 than more contrasted WW2 were there pretty much WAS a clear bad guys.


I haven't read the whole thread (or even much of it), so apologies if this has already been mentioned, but you know you've been reading these Messageboards too much when:

Pre-Spoiler:
In the scene in which Ares reveals his identity, after seeing the first thing that he does other than speaking, I immediately thought:

Spoiler:
Oh, oh, Diana's in trouble -- Ares is a Wizard(*), and she's just a Martial . . . .

(*)Technically, he's probably actually closer to a Sorcerer, but you know what I mean . . . .



Really, I am sure that Ares is a

spoiler:
kineticist;)


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thenovalord wrote:
nope, no post credit scene

Crew credits do include one Steve Rogers as a carpenter. That was mildly amusing given the parallels between this movie and CA:FA.


Film credits also list Steve Mnuchin as one of the producers. Just sayin'.


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Alexandros Satorum wrote:

yes, but

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
For 'misbehaving allies,' note how the British high command was talking about dying being what soldiers are for, and the German one was talking about food and the need to bring an end to the war, and Chief also mentioned how his people lost everything in the war with Trevor's people.

On the whole the Germans we see are worse, but the Allies are not covering themselves in glory here.


Lundadork(sp) was not really interesting with his WH40K Commissar BLAMing. I doubt his lifespan would be any significant length even if WW didn't face him after the rest of German high command finds out.


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MannyGoblin wrote:
Lundadork(sp) was not really interesting with his WH40K Commissar BLAMing. I doubt his lifespan would be any significant length even if WW didn't face him after the rest of German high command finds out.

Erich Ludendorff's a historical person even. And not a very nice one, after the war he pushed the 'we would've won if not betrayed by the civilians' myth and coined the phrase 'Total War,' and wrote a book advocating it. Him being Ares is not all that far fetched!

Spoiler:
With him and Hindenberg- who was one of the ones killed in his gassing of command- both dead, the timeline is pretty much borked.


Davia D wrote:
...the timeline is pretty much borked.

Not the timeline of Earth-WWMovie. It wasn't our Earth to begin with.


It wasn't much of our Earth since it didn't have the JSA before WW...

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