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but... quite frankly, Wonder Woman has always felt kind of tacked-on when added to DC's "Top Three".
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And I think that's rather unfortunate.
It feels kind of like DC really desperately *wants* Wonder Woman to be as big a deal as Superman and Batman, but they have yet to successfully bottle that lightning. DC have moved pretty darn far away from some of the stranger and off-putting elements that William Marston introduced at the outset, but it's always felt like DC had an uphill struggle selling this character (and keeps changing her origins and powers in the process, although certainly not as much as poor Hawkman...).
A female character who operates on a completely different level than Batman or Superman, and therefore will never have to compete with them or measure up to them (or be considered to be 'almost as strong' or 'almost as smart' as them), like Zatanna, might be a better choice for a 'trinity' push, while Wonder Woman can just remain an awesome character who doesn't have to live up to that pressure.
Don't try to compete with Superman on strength. Don't try to compete with Batman on smarts. Have the character excel at something different - something they feel resonates with the audience, is admirable, and can produce plenty of good stories.
Until the character can stand on her own, she probably shouldn't be lumped together. Otherwise, she gets to be in the position of the woman who tries hard, but is never as good as the men. ...And that feels like exactly the opposite of the message they should be trying to promote. XD;
I feel what makes Wonder Woman completely different from Batman is her ethics. Not like Superman ethics, but certainly a soldier's one. Batman is a true vigilante along with being a great detective and fighter. Superman is everything near god-like.
So to me, this movie, gets Wonder Woman right. At least based on the trailer.
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Not a fan. it should have been Gina Carano.She can't act.fair enough, the present actress can't fight.
or look believable in a choreographed fight.
or even pose as if she's a fighter, and she is depicting a fighter.at least not without tons of CGI
and i'm a fan of tons of CGI.
i'm just going to say it again. not a fan. hope that film dies like fan4stic
Umm...Gal Gadot can definitely fight, she was a hand-to-hand combat instructor in the Israeli Army. Whether or not someone likes her as an actress is a matter of opinion, but the woman knows how to fight.
As for me, I loved her and thought she was: 1) One of the VERY few good things about BvS, and 2) Criminally underutilized in that movie.
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Not a fan. it should have been Gina Carano.She can't act.fair enough, the present actress can't fight.
or look believable in a choreographed fight.
or even pose as if she's a fighter, and she is depicting a fighter.at least not without tons of CGI
and i'm a fan of tons of CGI.
i'm just going to say it again. not a fan. hope that film dies like fan4stic
Umm...Gal Gadot can definitely fight, she was a hand-to-hand combat instructor in the Israeli Army. Whether or not someone likes her as an actress is a matter of opinion, but the woman knows how to fight.
As for me, I loved her and thought she was: 1) One of the VERY few good things about BvS, and 2) Criminally underutilized in that movie.
Exactly. Also, I think WW's role should be a mix of something like maybe Cap in Winter Soldier.
Cap in Winter Soldier isn't the same as WW in her own DAMN movie.
Movie verse version has very little morals or not as much as his comic book counterpart, Jeff.
Cap, until recently, had a strong moral compass but it wasn't perfect.
I thought it was Captain Marvel (Shazam) that had the moral compass in the DC universe...?
Red,
Well he's got a decent one since he's got magic keeping him in check. Plus being a very good, idealistic 10 year old kid helps.
But generally when people in the DC universe look at Superman, they see the ideal man with great principals, morals and ethics.
Jeff is correct.
The Cheese stands alone. ;)
The Cheese stands alone. ;)
Alone and above.
I hope it's at least as good as Wonder Woman's animated movie. I really enjoyed that one.
Lemmy,
Which one. I thought there were two...
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I thought it was Captain Marvel (Shazam) that had the moral compass in the DC universe...?The Big Red Cheese? Nah, it's always been the Big Blue Boy Scout.
I always saw Wonder Woman as the emotionally strongest character in the trinity... The ideal balance point between Batman's obsession and paranoia and Superman's naive optimism.
She had the healthiest, most grounded and well-rounded perception of the world around her. She had hope in a better world and could inspire the same in others, but also knew that sometimes, to fight evil, one must dirty their hands... All while never going too far!
Then, DC decided everything should be grim and dark... And every character became some shade of Batman's grimness, which pretty much made Diana a weaker Superman with a magic lasso. ¬¬'
I thought it was Captain Marvel (Shazam) that had the moral compass in the DC universe...?The Big Red Cheese? Nah, it's always been the Big Blue Boy Scout.I always saw Wonder Woman as the emotionally strongest character in the trinity... The ideal balance point between Batman's obsession and paranoia and Superman's naive optimism.
She had the healthiest, most grounded and well-rounded perception of the world around her. She had hope in a better world and could inspire the same in others, but also knew that sometimes, to fight evil, one must dirty their hands... All while never going too far!
Then, DC decided everything should be grim and dark... And every character became some shade of Batman's grimness, which pretty much made Diana a weaker Superman with a magic lasso. ¬¬'
rotfl this is a hilarious translation of events. I don't think it's wrong or right, but I was waiting for you to add "..before the dark times..before the empire!"
Freehold,
Before Alan Moore.
Well I agree that Wonder Woman has a better emotionally balanced mind over Batman and Superman but that is not saying much;)
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Well I agree that Wonder Woman has a better emotionally balanced mind over Batman and Superman but that is not saying much;)
She's got a bonus in that her birth parent (and family/culture/etc.) is still alive, making her (and Thor) nearly unique among big name superheroes. Superman? Dead parents. Batman? Dead parents. Iron Man? Dead parents. Captain America? Dead parents. Spider-Man? Dead parents. Hulk? Dead parents. Many or most of the Fantastic Four, X-Men and Inhuman Royal Family? Dead parents. It's kind of a recurring theme.
I always liked to think of Wonder Woman as better balanced, overall, than Superman or Batman. In Mutants & Masterminds terms, Superman has put all his points into super-powers and super-high strength, while Batman has put all of his points into high non-superhuman-attributes, feats and skills. Wonder Woman kind of mixes the two, having great superhuman power (strength and speed), but also having great skill and fighting ability, sort of spreading her points all over the place and not 'min-maxing' quite as much as the other two.
I like the idea that she might not be stronger or more skilled than Superman or Batman *at what they do best,* but that she is absolutely able to cover the gaps in their more specialized 'builds.'
(That assumes that Superman *has* a specialized build. In classic tales, he was a hundred times smarter than Batman, able to think and react at light speed, and had the sum of Kryptonian science, knowledge and even martial arts downloaded into his brain, making him able to out-Bat the Bat... Thankfully that's been toned down a bit over the years, and gets mentioned about as often as powers like Super-Ventriloquism or Super-Hypnotism.)
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The more I see about this the more I want to see it.
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The more I see about this the more I want to see it.
The theme music at the end of the trailer is really growing on me. It's so different than what we associate with Superman or Batman, more stirring, somehow.
About my only quibble from the trailers so far is that Chris Pine seems to be asleep in half of his scenes, dully mumbling stuff like 'huh.' I'm kind of hoping he's just been directed to play as concussed or in shock or something, after his plane crash, because he seems like he's phoning it in...
*Squints closely at the end of the trailer*
Was that a joke? In a DC movie?
I always liked to think of Wonder Woman as better balanced, overall, than Superman or Batman.
Does that mean people are going to whine about Wonder Woman being an 'MMO in a Movie'?
Me too, I have been waiting for a Wonder Woman movie for years.
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I'm definitely looking forward to seeing this.
Gal Gadot clearly has the chops to do it. Hell she was the thing that SAVED Superman Versus Batman in my book.
So her in a solo movie? I'm all over it.
Superman? Dead parents.
Wait, what? When did they kill off the Kents?
Superman had supremely supportive and living parents.
Voss,
Back in....2012 I want to say? I know it was pre-Flashpoint they killed off Pa Kent.
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And these days in comics there ain't no Kent alive anymore. Which has always been a damn shame to me. Pa's absence I have no problem with, since usually his death has been a important lesson for Superman. But Ma is a good character to keep Supe's roots in place.
I liked her interaction with various new people in his life, as well, such as her surrogate mom role to Conner Kent (and general petsitter role for Krypto, making her the one 'relative of the hero' you don't want to try to take hostage, since her *dog* can mess you up.).
But yeah, that Wonder Woman movie, I am still holding out hopes that it is the DC movie to reverse the curse and bring some unapologetic idealism and heroism and maybe even a touch of hope and color and joy to the DC big screen universe.
One thing I'm liking from the trailers is how the scenes on the beach on Themiscyra (sp?) are all vibrant and colorful, and then she goes to London and it's all gray and washed out and color-faded and she says, "It's hideous!" Heh. I have no idea if that was meant as a tongue in cheek poke at the color-faded approach of modern superhero movies (and not just DC, Marvel gets slammed for fading all of it's colors to a muddy brownish-gray in post-production as well), but it's funny.
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Wait, what? When did they kill off the Kents?
Superman had supremely supportive and living parents.
Back in....2012 I want to say? I know it was pre-Flashpoint they killed off Pa Kent.
I'm getting off-topic, but I have to express my views on the matter.
Before Crisis on Infinite Earths, the Kents were dead by Superman's time, and I enjoyed reading Superboy. It was neat seeing young Clark turning to the Kents for support and guidance.
After Crisis on Infinite Earths, in Supes' revised background, the Kents were alive, and Superman could fly to Smallville now and then to talk to them. It was one of the few things I liked about that version of the Superman story. The same goes for Superman: The Animated Series from the late 1990s. And when Pa Kent died in 2008, it came as a shock to me, so the drama of it all impressed me.
In "The New 52" (the 2011 revamp), the Kents were, once again, dead since Clark's early life.
Knights,
Some times I wonder if sarcasm is lost on me...or you just read things straight through.
In ANY case, WW I think will be more of a joyous picture than a Zack Snyder snooze fest.
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I just have to say, at this point every time I hear Wonder Woman's theme music I get an adrenalyne rush. And I have a feeling they're going with the Daughter of Zeus newer origin story.
There's the line in the trailer about not letting her know what she really is (demigod). Which would also explain the amped up significance of the bracelets.
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She's more geared toward Aries. Though. Although the New 52 version, she's Zeus' daughter, whupped Aries' ass and became Goddess of War.
The trailers also seem to have quite a bit of lightning.
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She's more geared toward Aries. Though. Although the New 52 version, she's Zeus' daughter, whupped Aries' ass and became Goddess of War.
The trailers also seem to have quite a bit of lightning.
*nods*
Nice!
and ah, good point about the lighting.
Personally, I always thought it would be neat if Heracles turned out to be Diana's father.
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I just have to say, at this point every time I hear Wonder Woman's theme music I get an adrenalyne rush. And I have a feeling they're going with the Daughter of Zeus newer origin story.
The trailer says 'created brought to life by Zeus' (which could still work with a 'fashioned from clay and given life by the gods' origin), not 'daughter of Zeus,' so I'm just going to wait for the movie to clear that up.
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New 52 origin changed (foolishly, in my opinion) Wonder Woman's backstory to being a demigoddess daughter of Zeus and Hippolyta. I will always prefer the "made of clay" origin as it is way more interesting and unique. And she was given life by goddesses + Hermes since Zeus was not all that fond of whole amazon thing. Also hated the whole goddess of war-thing, since she is spirit of truth and as it is said, "first casualty of war is the truth".
But I actually subscribe to a different theory alltogether:
But I guess we'll see in about a week.
Personally, I always thought it would be neat if Heracles turned out to be Diana's father.
I think they did this in Wonder Woman Year One. One of the rare things in that book I did not like at all. Hercules/Heracles being a huge a@~$&#% and rapist/ poisonous masculinity personafied works well as a villain (Would have LOVED seeing him as a villain for this Wonder Woman movie in fact). Perez/Wein Wonder Woman managed to give redemption of some sort, and when Herc tries to imply that maybe Wonder Woman is her daughter, Hippolyta shuts that down instantly.
Do not like.
Anybody know who the villain is?