Double Checking: Upgrading special material into a named sword


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I have the boon sheet from #6-16: Scions of the Sky Key, Part 3. This is giving me the option of purchasing the Blade of the Open Road. I am almost to the finances of being able to purchase the sword, and in my most recent adventure, special materials were brought to my attention.

I was asking around as to which material would be good to use as a base, and one of the GM's mentioned that I may not be able to have that as a base, since the Blade of the Open Road is named item. Looking in the FAQ, that seems to be so, but I just wanted to make sure.

FAQ: Can I Upgrade a Named Magic Item?:

From the FAQ wrote:


Named magic items—including specific armor and specific weapons—are not upgradeable. Non-magic specific armor and specific weapons may be upgraded normally. Magic armor and weapons may be upgraded to named versions if they are the same basic material and shape as, and meet but do not exceed the enhancement bonuses of the named versions. Wondrous items whose names include a +X value (such as bracers of armor, headband of vast intelligence, amulet of might fists, etc.) may also be upgraded following the rules for upgrading magical items on page 19 of the Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play.

Upgraded versions of named magic items may appear on Chronicle sheets.

Intelligent magic items are not available for purchase unless they appear on a Chronicle sheet or are provided as part of a class or archetype (such as the black blade magus archetype).

Blade of the Open Road:

From the Boon Sheet wrote:


Blades of the Open Road are longswords specifically crafted to strike against the Aspis Consortium.

A Lesser Blade of the Open Road(2,515GP) is a +1 longsword with a Glyph of the Open Road stamped into its hilt.

A Blade of the Open Road(19,715GP) is a +1 Aspis bane longsword. Against agents of the Aspis Consortium and creatures directly employed by the Aspis Consortium, the weapons enhancement bonus is 2 higher than its actual bonus, and the weapon deals and extra 2d6 points of damage.

A Greater Blade of the Open Road(35,715GP) has all of the properties of a Blade of the Open Road and gains the ominous and heartskeaker weapon special abilities against Aspis Consortium agents and the Consortium employees.

Any wayfiner the wielder carries grants a +2 circumstance bonus on all Survival checks, not just checks to avoid becoming lost. A Blade of the Open Road and Greater Blade of the Open Road increase this bonus to +4 or +6, respectively.

Between scenarios, the wielder can enhance a lesser blade of the open road to become a Blade of the Open Road, and later into a Greater Blade of the Open Roadby paying the difference in price between the two items.

I am playing a sword and board type fighter, and I was thinking of having my long sword be a mythril, Blade of the Open Road. Spending the 2,000 gold now (4lb x 500g) for the mythril longsword. Then once I have the 2,515 gold, upgrade it to BotOR.

Would that be allowed since the BotOR does not state what material it is made out of?

Sczarni 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Washington—Pullman aka Coraith

If the item does not state it is made out of a special material, it is made from the base material a weapon of that type is made out of. In this case Iron/steel.

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Q: I have a +1 greatsword (2,350 gp). Can I upgrade it to a +1 adamantine greatsword (5,050 gp)?

A: No. Unless the special material specifically says it can be added to items that already exist, you can not add a special material. If you want to add special material properties to existing weapons, look at weapon blanches from the Advanced Players Guide.

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@ Steven, That's what I assumed was the case. Re-reading the FAQ that I posted, it looks like IF I had a +1 longsword, I could upgrade it into a Lesser Blade of the Open Road. But it does not specify upgrading from a non-magical base. For now, I'm going to assume that no, I can not.

@Nefreet, I'm not looking to turn an iron BotOR into mythril, but take a mythril longsword, and give it the BotOR enchantments.

Fundamentally speaking, I'm paying 2,000 gold for cosmetic of my longsword being made of mythil, and the static effect of it counting as a silver weapon. There is no other effect, that I know of, except mabey hardness and hit points.

Sczarni 5/5 ⦵⦵

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Fundamentally, it's no different than the FAQ I linked to.

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That counting as silver thing is a pretty big effect, just ask the devils and werewolves. You can't do it.

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Nefreet, I have read through a lot of the comments on Kyle Baird's How to Upgrade Your Gear posts, and your How to Upgrade Your Gear (2014).

There have been mentions of the "upgrade paths", celestial armor as the main example. I have also read through a discussion in 2013, where you were in favor of taking special materials as a base, and using them to make a named item.

Has there been a clarification on this matter?

Looking at what I wrote in my previous post, it probably came off as rude. I'm sorry.

It was meant as a question, but I didn't write the question. Could I purchase it as such, a mythril BotOR, and if a GM disputes, just treat it as a cosmetic, and just use the sword as a BotOR? Or would I not be able to use it at all?

Sczarni 5/5 ⦵⦵

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Jinotad wrote:
I have also read through a discussion in 2013, where you were in favor of taking special materials as a base, and using them to make a named item.

Awwwe! I was just a fledging Tengu back then. My claws still dealt 1d3.

I'd actually completely forgotten about that discussion, and even thinking those thoughts. And that was a year before I created the 2014 thread.

IIRC, at the time there was a separate discussion of whether you could create a Mithral/Darkwood polearm, since both materials had a "+Xgp" modifier. That "+modifier" way of thinking was fueling my comments in that thread.

But a +1 Cloak of Resistance exists in print. It's 1000gp. A +1 Griffon Mane Cloak of Resistance, which would presumably cost 1050gp, doesn't exist in print. Ergo, for PFS, it's not available.

Much like, although the CRB gives us rules for creating a +2 Charisma Phylactery of Positive Energy, it, too, is not available. It's a "custom item".

Jinotad wrote:
Looking at what I wrote in my previous post, it probably came off as rude. I'm sorry.

After you post enough you'll come to see that no matter how you intended your post to come across, somebody will take it the wrong way.

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Thank you. That clarifies things a lot.


Nefreet wrote:
Jinotad wrote:
Looking at what I wrote in my previous post, it probably came off as rude. I'm sorry.
After you post enough you'll come to see that no matter how you intended your post to come across, somebody will take it the wrong way.

You don't know that! Maybe someone will make a post one day and nobody will take it the wrong way! Are you saying that in that case you would force someone to take it the wrong way? Why would you say that you hate freedom, chocolate, and puppies? Why, WHY, WHY?

Sczarni 5/5 ⦵⦵

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I don't hate puppies.

They're delicious.


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Nefreet wrote:

I don't hate puppies.

They're delicious.

That is hilarious! :D

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Nefreet wrote:

I don't hate puppies.

They're delicious.

*CRACKOOM!*

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