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Finished the new season last night. Some thoughts...

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Hopper as angry/clueless dad was awesome! I wish he'd have kicked that Russian douchebag's ass sooner. It sucked to see him apparently sacrifice his life.

Joyce unleashing angry mom rage was classic. Winona Ryder has done such a great job with that role.

Billy was still an a$*#~@*. Then an evil, possessed a#$+%@$. At least he got to redeem himself somewhat in the end.

I wasn't too keen on them building up a new potential love interest for Steve, only to yank that rug from under him. Still, I like the way they've developed his character as a whole. My two favortie scenes with him were when he tackled and took down that Commie scum guard, then again when he rammed Billy's car with the Todfathr car.

Todfather car was f#~$ing awesome!

I look forward to another season.


Steve and Robin

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I disagree about Steve's romantic journey. When we first met Steve he's this super suave, sexually successful (for lack of a better description) guy. The overall moral of his story with Robin is in some ways similar to his story with Nancy. In both cases, the reason the relationship failed didn't really have much to do with him. He's had to learn to grow as a person.

By the writers 'taking him down a peg' in this way takes him from idealized male sexual prowess into a more everyman character. He's just a dude living a pretty average life dealing with all these weird situations (the extra-dimensional monsters).

In addition, the show is about friendship, not romantic coupling. Romantic coupling is more likely to be an obstacle in the characters path than a goal by which to measure success. In some ways it would have been weird if Steve and Robin got together in the last 2 episodes. Eleven and Mike started together, and kind of rekindled at the end, but for the most part their relationship was a wedge, not just between them, but for all those in their orbit as well.

Because the show is more about friendship, having their romantic coupling fail AND result in a deeper friendship is exactly what the show is about.


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So, what are the chances that Will is asexual?


Regards the ending:

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I think it's clear that Hopper survived and is "the American" in the Kamchatka jail at the end.

How he survived is unclear, but he may have jump through the portal into the Upside Down and then been pulled out through the experiments in Russia, along presumably with the Demogorgon. Although if the Upside Down does match 1:1 with the real world, that's a hell of a long distance.

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So, what are the chances that Will is asexual?

It's possible and would be interesting. Apart from Varys in GoT, I can't think of another prominent character on a hit show who is asexual. I think they're leaving the door open on that or him being gay.

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two other things I forgot to mention...

I like Jake Busey as an actor, but thought he was wasted in his role.

The Never Ending Story song had me wanting to jam pencils in my ears.


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Will's protestations to change are also representative of a desire to return to the way things were. While his friends have witnessed and experienced trauma, Will has certainly undergone more. His attempt to hold onto a pre-Upside-Down world is his attempt to take himself back to his existence before that evil entered his life. Sexuality could be part of it, but very easily it could just be PTSD. His s3 arc ends with acceptance of change, which is accepting the experiences that have happened to him as being part of his life. He's no longer denying his trauma, and allowing himself to grow after it.

Also, as one of the only unmarried people in my gaming groups, I'm looking forward to the memes and gifs of Will from this season.

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Read an article this morning talking about new character Robin. I had no clue that chick was the daughter of Uma Thurman and Ethan Hawke. Afterwards, though, looking at a picture of her I could totally see a bit of Uma in her face.

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I thought Will's reaction to change, especially with his friends becoming interested in girls was simply a pretty realistic representation that kids at that age mature both emotionally and physically at different rates. It's pretty common that in a peer group like that some will become interested in romance before others, and the ones who haven't yet will think they're being dumb for ditching their old fun stuff, until they eventually catch up.

What I was more annoyed by was the implication that D&D was kids stuff, and now that they are older they've outgrown it, and even passed it down to the younger sister who's more age appropriate. Sure lots of kids grow out of RPGs, but I wouldn't have expected that the super-nerds of Stranger Things would have been ones to do so.


I don't think that is what they were saying - after all, only Will gave away his set because he doesn't want to join another party. He clearly says they will just use Mikes set when he comes visiting.

They all say that Wills campaign was cool, it's really just that it isn't their only Thing to care about anymore. One of the pesky realities of life is that growing up you suddenly have multiple interesting Things clashing, but it doesn't mean they'll ditch D&D completely.

I guess it will disappear from the Show, as it has done it's work as storytelling device by now.

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They need to have Phobe cates play Suzy's Mom in season 4.

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There has definitely been a departure in overall tone of the series from season 1 to 3. There has been a lot of campy story elements and caricatured characters recently. Despite that, its still a well executed and enjoyable series. Few, if any, series can survive this type of transformation.

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We're not in Hawkins anymore.

Can't wait.

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I've been working on the railroad.

I knew it. Spoiler for season 3.

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Spoiler:

Hopper and Red Guardian are the same person, confirmed.


I'm kind of sad that

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Hopper is the American from the season 3 ending

I really wished it had been

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Papa/Dr Brenner

Also when are the other kids who survived the Hawkins experiments going to make another return like El's "sister?" Miss that storyline...

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Season 4 Trailer


Well, it looks like they're turning the volume up to 11 on this one.

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I’m four episodes into Season 4, and so far it isn’t disappointing. Some parts of the story seem a little silly, but overall it’s been entertaining to watch.

I like the new character Eddie. I’ve known dudes just like him.

The first episode scene with Dustin and his girlfriend gave a cool little War Games vibe.

The movie rental place was cool.

I’m liking the new villain. It seems much more focused and methodical. And the way it kills is super creepy.

I’m hoping to finish it up later tonight maybe. Then it’s going to suck waiting for volume 2


Binged all of vol. 1 last night. That was really good! I think I've discussed in this thread and elsewhere though that I'm like, one of 37 people in all of Stranger Things fandom that liked Kali and the episodes with her. As such, some of the story choices, for me, were only good and not great.

The reason I liked Kali was that her power wasn't EXACTLY what El does. This in turn makes El more special, more unique. The retcon of all of Brenner's subjects being more or less Force users just felt, IDK... cheap?

Don't get me wrong; I like the PATHOS of those parts of the story. El has to survive her bullying, the one memory she has is of her mother and is a little bit of a positive instead of all pain, and it really drives home Brenner as a really BAD guy. Still, I was hoping the show wouldn't have completely divorced itself from Kali and the concept that not EVERY one of Brenner's kids was just El with more or less batteries.

Otherwise I'm loving this. The dispersion of the core boys as hS begins feels so natural, so earned! I like that Jonathon is evolving a bit while also starting to fade a little like all big brothers do after enough time. The action is, as always, phenomenal and visually the show is just as terrifyingly wonderful as always.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess I'm the only one that misses the diversity that Kali's character suggested in The Program. If anyone has any thoughts I'd love to hear 'em.

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Finished up Volume 1 of Season 4 last night. Damn, those were some long episodes. Overall, I enjoyed this first part of the season. The story arcs were interesting, with some cool plot twists.

One of the few things that actually bugged me was the idea of a town full of adults actually listening to the ravings of a teenager, and forming a mob at his recommendation to hunt down other kids. I just don’t see that as realistic, even if he just lead the high school team to a basketball championship. Not to mention, the whole mob thing went nowhere in the final episode. So, I guess they’re saving it for Vilume
2.

And even though I thought it was a bit silly how easily Hopper was “rescued”, I’m really liking Murray a lot more in this season.

I’m really liking Argyle as well. He’s great for some comedy relief.


Something's been nagging at me. Warning; major spoiler so I'm spoilering but for realz don't read if you don't want spoilers:

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So, season 1 starts with 1983 and establishes that there's some government involvement with Brenner's program in Hawkins. Season 2 expands the MK Ultra tie ins. That's 2 seasons firmly establishing that Brenner was trying to use the MK Ultra project to experiment on kids to mutate them into having mental powers.

Season 4 gives us Henry Creel: the son of Victor Creel, born in 1947 so he's 12 in 1959, who will eventually be tattooed as 001 in Brenner's program. Now, MK Ultra iRL began in 1953 so its obvious that Henry was NOT created by this program; he was BORN with the powers he has purely by accident.

So, does that mean that all the MK Ultra tie ins are total BS or some kind of cover story for Brenner taking something from Henry and adding it to unborn kids to recreate his powers, or do we think Henry is the IMPETUS for said MK Ultra program?

I feel like the Creel tie in, the way its been laid out so far, kind of retcons some of the investigation in seasons 1 and 2. Those 2 seasons feature government boogeymen as the force behind the Hawkins Nat'l Lab and season 3 expands this into cold war camp. Throughout all of it though, its like the feds are pushing all of this. Sesaon 4 and Henry seem to suggest that all of this started by accident, not driven by any government initiative.

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The way I see it could go….

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Brenner could have already been involved in MK Ultra, and reports came to him of Henry. So then Brenner acquired him as a subject, and worked with him. That experience might have given Brenner a better idea of what to look for in searching for subjects, allowing him to build up his group of children.


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Did anyone notice that Erica called her character a "rogue" in the D&D session? In '86 we had AD&D, Basic, Expert and Immortals; there were no "Rogue" classes. You could play a THIEF, but not a rogue. Just thought I'd throw that out there.


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Did anyone notice that Erica called her character a "rogue" in the D&D session? In '86 we had AD&D, Basic, Expert and Immortals; there were no "Rogue" classes. You could play a THIEF, but not a rogue. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

I think a few years earlier that'd be a much bigger mistake, but by the late 1980s it wasn't uncommon to see people referring to thieves, assassins and bards together as "rogues." That's one of the reasons 2E made that distinction part of the rules, because it had been house-ruled for years earlier.


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I'm as far as episode 6

I'm calling those Stirges...those were definitely Stirges


Mark Hoover 330 wrote:
Did anyone notice that Erica called her character a "rogue" in the D&D session? In '86 we had AD&D, Basic, Expert and Immortals; there were no "Rogue" classes. You could play a THIEF, but not a rogue. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

The d20 struck me as possibly anachronistic as well.

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Irontruth wrote:
Mark Hoover 330 wrote:
Did anyone notice that Erica called her character a "rogue" in the D&D session? In '86 we had AD&D, Basic, Expert and Immortals; there were no "Rogue" classes. You could play a THIEF, but not a rogue. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
The d20 struck me as possibly anachronistic as well.

I recall owning and seeing d20s in 1986, unless it was a specific d20 you thought looked wrong. This said, and in spite of Werthead's excellent explanation of the use of "rogue"...

IIRC uses of the references to D&D are by permission of Hasbro/WotC (since not only is it repeatedly referenced throughout the show, which usually requires branding permission, it moreover makes frequent mention of names/ monsters after IP specifically owned by WotC like mind flayers and Vecna). Ergo I expect that the reason for any anachronisms is mandate by Hasbro to use phrases current to the current edition of D&D rather than to be historically accurate to the AD&D of the time, to push understanding of and connections to the game they are selling right now. Marketing supersedes historical accuracy.

In other news, I have been catching up with this series and am at the very and of episode 5. For at least FIVE TIMES now, in the scene where the kids' flashlights are lighting up and we see the scene flip to the Upside Down where Vecna is hanging there, the scene freezes and then my entire device I am using to watch the show locks up. Always in exactly the same moment, and despite my network otherwise seeming to be working.

Should I continue to persist to try to see the rest of the episode (plus I think there's one more) or will my soul be taken if I do?


I think your soul is safe DQ. But if you feel unsafe (hands over his holy avenger) I think it still works...

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Much thanks, dude, I'll have to Use Magic Device to fake class and alignment but never hurts to have back up...

And...

I made it to the end! Good season. Hopefully this will all end with a bang.


Glad to hear it. Also I feel slightly dirty you can do that...but at the same time I'm glad it served its purpose.

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Well, if it helps, I'm a bard, not a rogue, so. :) If it's in the service of maintaining order and good it's okay, right? :)


It is okay, yes...and as for being a bard...that's a little better.


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1st edition Bard was a hell of a thing though. You had to change classes like three times before you could be one

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Greylurker wrote:
1st edition Bard was a hell of a thing though. You had to change classes like three times before you could be one

Never got to play 1st ed but I remember hearing they could be broken as heck.


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Greylurker wrote:
1st edition Bard was a hell of a thing though. You had to change classes like three times before you could be one
Never got to play 1st ed but I remember hearing they could be broken as heck.

Bard was basically the original Prestige Class

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A bit late, but just finished S4 part 1 last night. I also thought that the D20 was way too modern looking and nice. My dice from the 80s were way crappier quality, and pretty sure that was the norm back then.

As for the video store, that's a real chain, not as nationally widespread as Blockbuster, but I frequented Family Video often in the Chicago burbs.

I really liked the juxtaposition of the D&D game and the basketball game, even if the D&D game was corny and not very realistic for any game I've seen played, aside from very modern livestream sessions. But it was fun and made it work for the splicing with the basketball game.

Overall, for the main plot, I liked it a lot, but was a bit bored with the California stuff. Pretty much as soon as any character left California, their story was way more interesting.

As for Kali, just because she wasn't in the flashbacks doesn't mean she wasn't around, and her different powers could have been more to her developing them on her own rather than developing the powers Brenner focused on and taught/indoctrinated the kids into learning. He could have simply ignored other uses and not even thought of them.

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Okay started off good, but maaaan does the endgame draaaaag. I had to stop watching with 35 minutes of Part II left, I just got bored and frustrated. I mean there is some terrific stuff throughout but Netflix Pacing is also a thing. (I will go back and watch later to be clear, I just needed a break.)

Spoilers for a bit in the middle:

Forget the threat of Vecna. Brenner is either superhuman or has ridiculous plot armor. If I was in that desert, I would chop off Brenner's head, stake his heart, burn the body, deposit the ashes in at least three separate locations one of which is a volcano, and then destroy anything he ever even looked at in case it's a phylactery.

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Damn, that season finale was long. I didn’t finish up until near midnight. Which was foolish, considering I then had to get up at 4 am.

Anyway….

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Rest in Peace Eddie. You died a hero.

I was really hoping Steve would get to plant that ax in Vecna’s forehead.

Loved the little call out to Aliens.

I hope we continue to see more of Murray kicking ass.

Hopper’s reunion with everyone was cool.

I’ve got to say, I’m intrigued by the potential of Yuri’s secret past. I’m really hoping they bring him back, both to explore that past a bit, and to unleash him as a new member of Team Good Guys.

It’s going to be interesting to see what they do in season 5.


Well....that is what they call a Pyrrhic Victory ain't it.

Overall I loved it but I have 1 quibble

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Why was the Military not watching those Gates? I mean when they cleared Eddie's uncle out of his RV I just kind of figured they were going to put a watch on the thing in the ceiling, but No. they didn't even have someone near by to keep an eye on the place

Also I am amazed Steve ain't dead. Felt like he set 10 Death Flags this season


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Finally got around to starting this (season one).
Starts a bit slow imo, but the kids are great (and I enjoy the police chief character quite a bit too).

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