Looking to use multiple intelligent items - PFS Rules Legal


Rules Questions

Grand Lodge

I will keep things general to not spoiler anything. Many of you will undoubtedly recognize what I am discussing. Please don't spoiler for others.

I have a PC that will eventually have access to a few intelligent magic items. My PC will want to have all 3. This is not power gaming. None of the 3 is all that powerful or even all that intelligent. They are certainly not collectively worth what it will cost me to get them. I have only heard of a couple of people choosing to get them and only for the 'koolness' affect since the had extra cash. However it is entirely within character for my PC to do nearly anything possible to get and use all 3 of the.

Of course there are complications. :(

PC is True Neutral alignment with a high UMD score.

Item 1, is true Neutral with an Ego score of 7.

Item 2, is True Neutral with an Ego score of 4.
"... has an arrogant streak despite its inability to express itself through anything but empathic signals and it jealously urges is wielder to cast aside any other intelligent items. ..."

Item 3, is Neutral Good with a Ego score of 2.

I will definitely get Item 1.

Will Item 2 necessarily go into conflict and try to take over to throw away the other items? Is there any way to prevent that?

Can I wear a ring of mind shielding, use undetectable alignment, UMD to emulate an alignment to use Item 3?

Any other possibilities that you folks can think of?


Any intelligent item will try to remove any other intelligent items from its wielder's possession:

prd on intelligent items wrote:

Such items are natural rivals, even with others of the same alignment. No intelligent item wants to share its wielder with other intelligent magic items. An intelligent item is aware of the presence of any other intelligent item within 60 feet, and such an intelligent item usually tries its best to mislead or distract its host so that she ignores or destroys the rival. Of course, alignment might change this sort of behavior.

Items with personalities are never totally controlled or silenced by the characters that possess them, even though they might never successfully control their possessors. They might be powerless to force their demands, but most remain undaunted and continue to air their wishes and preferences.

Grand Lodge

To me "mislead or distract" does not sound like an Ego contest to take over and throw it away.
Constantly complaining, cajoling, arguing, tricking, etc... is perfect for my PC.

But if it is going to be a continuous ego conflict, I will eventually roll a 1 so this won't work.


Quote:
Will Item 2 necessarily go into conflict and try to take over to throw away the other items? Is there any way to prevent that?

Unless there's a clause or reason that it needs/wants the other 2 (to fulfill a special purpose) then the answer is 'Yes'. The item will try to get you to cast aside, hide, seal away, or get rid of the other items. Possibly even destroy, but that might depend more on the relationship with the other items and just how much of a jealous streak it has.

The mislead and distract part of it (which will probably come from the first item you get, could be alng the lines of "That item attracts bears and also makes women bleed from their nethers." Even if only one of those is true... or none. Obviously you as the player probably know the truth but your character seemingly should trust the item. I mean, they'll probably get along fine and build a relationship before he finds the 2nd one. So if he's told, "That [2nd] item is cursed and will keep me from (healing/flying/helping) you if you keep it around" will probably seem reasonable. If it comes down to it, there may be a personality conflict if you don't keep the item happy.

Quote:
Can I wear a ring of mind shielding, use undetectable alignment, UMD to emulate an alignment to use Item 3?

No, not really. Other than UMD which might help you briefly, for an hour or so maybe. An intelligent item isn't just a typical item. Even without acute senses and vision, it's likely got a good grasp of its environment and surrounds and will be able to note and observe your actions. Even if it technically can't see or hear, it should know if you just used it to stab an ogre... or a woman dressed as a nun or what seemed like a human child.

So unless you actually go out of your way to do things that match its alignment and convince it... then it won't be fooled just because you make a high roll in UMD. Bluff might work (once or twice at most) if the item is inclined to discuss what you did, but an intelligent item is usually pretty well set and versed in how its alignment works, so I would not count on being able to fool it for a substantial amount of time. That doesn't mean a Neutral Good item won't work for a Neutral wearer/wielder however (though they are unique personalities, so maybe it won't) but it will definitely exhort you towards being Neutral Good in your actions.


Voices in My Head wrote:
I have a PC that will eventually have access to a few intelligent magic items. My PC will want to have all 3.

I'm pretty sure that a PFS Character is not allowed to have even 1 Intelligent Magic Item, let alone multiple ones.

Voices in My Head wrote:
This is not power gaming.

Maybe not, but the only way I know of to get an Intelligent Magic Item is to customize another Magic Item, and that is a PFS no-no.

Liberty's Edge

Yeah, I'm confused. This doesn't sound like a PFS game (it kind of sounds like White Plume Mountain actually), why do you say this needs to be PFS legal?


Scott Wilhelm wrote:
Voices in My Head wrote:
I have a PC that will eventually have access to a few intelligent magic items. My PC will want to have all 3.

I'm pretty sure that a PFS Character is not allowed to have even 1 Intelligent Magic Item, let alone multiple ones.

Voices in My Head wrote:
This is not power gaming.
Maybe not, but the only way I know of to get an Intelligent Magic Item is to customize another Magic Item, and that is a PFS no-no.

The bladebound magus and the blade adept arcanist both get sentient weapons as a class feature.

While both prohibit familiars, they are not mutually exclusive.

Grand Lodge

Scott Wilhelm wrote:
I'm pretty sure that a PFS Character is not allowed to have even 1 Intelligent Magic Item, let alone multiple ones.
Marc Radle wrote:
Yeah, I'm confused. This doesn't sound like a PFS game (it kind of sounds like White Plume Mountain actually), why do you say this needs to be PFS legal?

There are several legal ways to get intelligent items from chronicle sheets in PFS (saying more would be spoilers). The OP wants to use all of them on one character.

Grand Lodge

Scott Wilhelm wrote:
Voices in My Head wrote:
I have a PC that will eventually have access to a few intelligent magic items. My PC will want to have all 3.

I'm pretty sure that a PFS Character is not allowed to have even 1 Intelligent Magic Item, let alone multiple ones.

Voices in My Head wrote:
This is not power gaming.
Maybe not, but the only way I know of to get an Intelligent Magic Item is to customize another Magic Item, and that is a PFS no-no.

There are currently at least 3 PFS chronicle sheets with a minor intelligent magic item available to the PC. There may be more in the future.


Snowlilly wrote:
Scott Wilhelm wrote:
Voices in My Head wrote:
I have a PC that will eventually have access to a few intelligent magic items. My PC will want to have all 3.

I'm pretty sure that a PFS Character is not allowed to have even 1 Intelligent Magic Item, let alone multiple ones.

Voices in My Head wrote:
This is not power gaming.
Maybe not, but the only way I know of to get an Intelligent Magic Item is to customize another Magic Item, and that is a PFS no-no.

The bladebound magus and the blade adept arcanist both get sentient weapons as a class feature.

While both prohibit familiars, they are not mutually exclusive.

Yup. Fair to say.

Voices in My Head wrote:
There are currently at least 3 PFS chronicle sheets

I did not know that. Cool.

Community / Forums / Pathfinder / Pathfinder First Edition / Rules Questions / Looking to use multiple intelligent items - PFS Rules Legal All Messageboards

Want to post a reply? Sign in.