In home game play can my players make use of my Pathfinder library of books?


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For the purposes of my home campaign PFS players, are they allowed to use books from my collection of Pathfinder books for their PFS characters? I know if they do that will not be able to play their PFS characters at another table unless they personally purchase the dead-tree or pdf of the relevant books they use options from for their characters.

I am the one in my group who likes adding and having a large selection of gaming books for my preferred rpg (Pathfinder). As long as I (as the GM) is comfortable with my players using rules from sources I have (they are my books), does that make it legit for my players to make use of the (much more) character options for their PFS characters by making using of the many PF books I own?

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To give a completely amateur opinion...

Think about the logic of that rule - why does it exist? - I believe there are two major reasons

1) So that all the rules needed to run the game are always available without the GM having to buy and carry around every single pathfinder book there is cover anything a player might turn up with.

2) To make sure someone is buying the books & keep Paizo in business

#1 isn't an issue as you the GM know you have the books to hand.

#2 Someone at the table (you) has bought the books. If anyone is really nit-picky about it you can always say 'I'm lending Bob my Advanced Class Guide for today because he's playing a hunter'.

If Bob loves playing his hunter and wants to play the character elsewhere he needs to go buy his own ACG, so you're still driving sales.

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This is the FAQ on the matter. The relevant bits are:

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If a family member, significant other, or other members of the same household living together (such as college room mates) are playing at the same table, they may share the same resources instead of having duplicates of the same resource at the same table. If it is a group of friends that always plays together at the same table, as long as there is at least one sourcebook that covers each rule for every character at the table, it fulfills the requirement. For example, if they all play Chelaxian characters and utilize rules from the Cheliax book, and they are all playing at the same table, then they only need one Cheliax book at the table, and that book can be either physical or an electronic, watermarked copy. However, if they are playing at different tables, each person at a different table will need a physical copy, a PDF copy, or a printed watermarked copy of the relevant pages with them, that covers anything they choose to utilize in the build of their charactert. And if it needs to be clarified, watermarked PDFs may not be distributed electronically by anyone. If two members of the same household wish to share a PDF, and find themselves playing at separate tables, one can utilize an electronic version on an iPad or similar item, while the other utilizes a printed watermarked copy.

It seems that what you want to do is allowed, but their characters won't be very portable, so make sure they're aware of the consequences.

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It's a home Campaign.

You can use everything from d20pfsrd to Kobold Press to dice with two 20s and no 1s.

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Nefreet wrote:

It's a home Campaign.

You can use everything from d20pfsrd to Kobold Press to dice with two 20s and no 1s.

It's a home PFS game. So you can report it if people are borrowing your adventurer's armory but you're not supposed to report it if people are playing murlocks or something.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

It's a home Campaign.

You can use everything from d20pfsrd to Kobold Press to dice with two 20s and no 1s.

It's a home PFS game. So you can report it if people are borrowing your adventurer's armory but you're not supposed to report it if people are playing murlocks or something.

Where is the actual rules on that because in the process of trying to find out what is and isn't allowed I've seen vary?

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MadScientistWorking wrote:


Where is the actual rules on that because in the process of trying to find out what is and isn't allowed I've seen vary?

If you're running an adventure path in campaign mode you can all be murlocks.

otherwise the same rules for PFS characters apply, but "ask the dm" how a gray area works becomes a much more viable option on rules questions.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

We need further information from the OP, then.

Are these PFS games, with PFS characters, or are they home games, with credit being applied to PFS characters?

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As the table GM, you determine if a given PC is legal or not.

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The campaign I am running (campaign mode) will give my players credit towards PFS characters from level 3 to level 15. I need to run level 1 and 2 scenarios for them. It is their official PFS characters (not 'pre-gen credit' PCs) I am looking for verification that it is legal for them to make use of my Pathfinder book collection for their characters, without them each personally needing to own a copy (hardcover or pdf) of any source books they need for their characters.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Why not just start at level 3 for the AP?

Or even level 1, for that matter.

It will alleviate everyone of a headache.

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You're good on book ownership.

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Nefreet, you misunderstand my query. I simply wanted to know if it is allowed for the players to make use of my books for their official (not pregen) PFS characters. Starting everyone at level 1 in campaign is what I did, but the chronicle sheets for the sanctioned parts of the AP and modules (which also allow campaign mode) only gets them credit from level 3 through level 15, not levels 1 and 2. Therefore they need official PFS characters at level 1 for the scenarios I run for them which must use the standard PFS rules.

I am running the campaign mode most sessions. It is when we do not have all the players that I am running scenarios for the others so they can get their PFS characters leveled up to level 3 (so they can then apply the pregen credit from the campaign).


D. Masters wrote:

Nefreet, you misunderstand my query. I simply wanted to know if it is allowed for the players to make use of my books for their official (not pregen) PFS characters. Starting everyone at level 1 in campaign is what I did, but the chronicle sheets for the sanctioned parts of the AP and modules (which also allow campaign mode) only gets them credit from level 3 through level 15, not levels 1 and 2. Therefore they need official PFS characters at level 1 for the scenarios I run for them which must use the standard PFS rules.

I am running the campaign mode most sessions. It is when we do not have all the players that I am running scenarios for the others so they can get their PFS characters leveled up to level 3 (so they can then apply the pregen credit from the campaign).

As long as those characters are ONLY being played at your home run PFS table, they're good. If they're going elsewhere, they'll need to buy the mechanics they use.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:


As long as those characters are ONLY being played at your home run PFS table, they're good. If they're going elsewhere, they'll need to buy the mechanics they use.

Or at least be the only ones toting along the physical books for their specific characters. That could be achieved if your players all took turns going to public PFS events and borrowed the books for their sessions. The point is to have copies of the rules present and, if in electronic form, be able to prove non-piracy as your means of having them.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

What AP gives you credit from level 3 through level 15?

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wait full stop

FULL STOP

OP READ THIS

do your players wish to play these PFS characters in other PFS events at either games stores, cons, other pfs locations etc?

if your answer to the above question is "no"

then just do whatever

if your answer is "yes"

then those players need to own the stuff that they make their characters with themselves

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Lamontius wrote:


then those players need to own the stuff that they make their characters with themselves

Or you could just lend them the books when they go a conning.

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I already told them if allowed to use my books, they will need to get their own personal copies before playing them anywhere else. One of my goals is once we are done the campaign (two sessions a month so well over a year away) is the group doing a Paizo and/or GenCon vacation and playing our PFS PCs at a high level table.

Thank you, everyone, for your input. Consensus has it that players can make use of other's players' (in this case mine) books for home games.

>Nefreet: It is a combination of the Skulls and Shackles AP and some campaign mode allowed sanctioned modules. Breakdown is below. Note you could start at level 2 for credit with The Wormwood Mutiny, but then you would have to have them play through both The Harrowing and Doom Comes to Duskpawn. (or other campaign mode sanctioned modules that work for Lv 8 and Lv 9).

Wormwood Mutiny (Lv3)
All three parts of the Plunder and Peril module (Lv 4,5,6)
S&S Part 2 (Lv 7)
S&S Part 3 (Lv 8)
The Harrowing or Doom Comes to Duskpawn (Lv 9)
S&S Parts 4 & 5 (lv 10, 11)
Wardens of the Reborn Forge (lv 12,13,14) [Note: starting them at level 12 for this module allows their characters to qualify for the seeker arc bonus chronicle sheet)
S&S Part 6 (Lv 15)

Thus giving my players (and myself) pregen credit that can be applied to official lv 3 PFS characters to level them up to level 16.

Here's to hoping Paizo continues to make more campaign mode sanctioned modules. They allow campaigns not to need to 'switch back and forth' between campaign mode and non-campaign mode when running APs.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Is it just me? This sounds like a terrible idea. Have you discussed this with your players?

You're essentially just printing out Chronicles, signing them, and filing them away, to never be seen again. You're effectively retiring characters at level 3.

If you're lucky, you *might* find a Convention somewhere running Race for the Runecarved Key for your 16th level party. That's the only Conventionable scenario your group could play. And it won't be challenging at all. Its encounters top out at CR 15.

I mean, at least shoot for a path that takes you to level 20, if you're going through all the effort anyways.

But if this is what you have your heart set on, go nuts. Just make sure everyone's on board.

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I did that before we even started the campaign. I have been DM'ing for nearly 3 decades. It is not a terrible idea. Even if none of us actually get a chance to use our official PFS characters past level 3 (before pregen credit gets applied), one of the things the players get by completing the campaign (with their campaign mode PCs) is the added reward of gaining high-level official PFS characters.

I could still run high-level PFS scenarios for their lv 16 PFS characters after they complete part 6 of S&S if the convention plan does not happen.

I think it might just be you, Nefreet. In essence the players are getting rewarded 'twice' by leveling up their campaign mode PCs as well as applying pregen credit towards official PFS characters.

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I concur with Nefreet.

From the perspective of the Society Organized Play campaign, the characters play up to level 3, and then, more or less, vanish. I think you'll still want to report the games in the system, D. Masters, but those characters no longer participate in any store games or convention games.

Indeed, they've risen to a point where there are no scenarios that support them.

The players might find a public game somewhere that runs, say, the 6th pat of some other AP, or maybe a very high-level module, but that's pretty rare in my experience. (If someone's running, say, Rise of the Runelords in campaign mode, that GM probably already has a group of players.)

And, to answer your original question, yes, if they play in any super-high adventure after finishing S&S, they'll need to own and bring all the materials to keep their characters legal.

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Just wondering: what are your plans, in case a character dies?

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In case a character dies in campaign mode: run a scenario of appropriate level that the players use pre-gens for. Then apply the credit to the PFS character of the player who had the PC die in campaign, and have the others apply the pre-gen credit to different PFS characters (thus keeping all their PFS primary (highest level) PCs at the same level.

Naturally I will be reporting all the sanctioned content from the AP and modules I use (otherwise they would not receive level-up credit for their PFS characters).

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What is it that you think is such a terrible idea? Applying PFS credit to characters who play an AP in campaign mode or is it this specific case due to mixing in Plunder & Peril and another module? I think running an AP in campaign mode, and applying it to a character is a great idea. You actually play the character significantly more than you would by running a strictly PFS character, and the character's personal narrative makes way more sense than A PFS character who's only reason to be part of the plot is that Drendle Drang woke you up at 3am and handed you a mission brief. Now I would usually include more actual scenario play mixed in with the campaign, but Plunder and Peril seems like a great fit with the S&S AP. It might be a good idea to cut out the Harrowing/Dustpawn module, and run some pirate themed scenarios though. Still this seems like a better idea to me than applying a couple of unrelated high level sanctioned AP sections to a PFS character just to hit level 20, and plenty of people do that.

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It's a home game. Why even ask? Just have a good time with your players. Good grief.

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OsirionInfiltrator wrote:
It's a home game. Why even ask?

GM star credit.

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So from what I can gather, it's not doing the players a big favor. Giving them PFS credit for all of this would level their PCs completely beyond the range of PFS scenarios, so there's very little point in it for them. It mostly locks them out of playing those scenarios "for real" later.

For the OP though, indeed, all this extra paperwork results in some chronicles and GM star credit. If he does it carefully with slow-tracking himself here and there, he might even get some use out of the chronicles.

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Just have a good time with your players.

Amen.


Lau Bannenberg wrote:

So from what I can gather, it's not doing the players a big favor. Giving them PFS credit for all of this would level their PCs completely beyond the range of PFS scenarios, so there's very little point in it for them. It mostly locks them out of playing those scenarios "for real" later.

On the other hand, if they start the campaign, go through a number of levels and then the campaign peters out for some reason (like, say the GM gets hit by a bus or half the players move away and have to drop out), the players will still have PFS-legal characters they can continue to use.

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For the ones who have asked 'why even ask?' The answer is simple and straight forward. I wanted clarification that the players making use of my PF library is legal for them to use for their PFS characters that I run scenarios for. I was being a responsible GM and taking steps to ensure everything about their PFS characters are above board. What would have sucked is not getting clarification, having them invest in their PFS character ideas(for months) and then them being told their PFS characters are illegal. Finding out before they invest the time and pregen level credits instead of waiting to find out after they have spent months leveling up their PFS characters (via the campaign mode pregen credit) with the possibility of discovering that they were never allowed to use my books (because technically that is how the PFS rules are written). The consensus has given that the goal of PFS outweighs the 'technically' in this regard. They do not need to 'own' a copy of the book/pdf at my table (making use of my books/pdfs) as long as the PFS characters are only played at my table. Before they play their characters anywhere else they will need to ensure they have their own copy to be able to do so.

For the potential naysayers sprouting 'but Paizo does not get sales that way'. They most certainly do: from me and only a portion of the PF books/pdfs I have are being made use of for my groups' PFS characters. If my group only purchased the books needed for our PFS characters (everyone buying their own books/pdfs needed) then the total amount of sales from my players and I would be considerably less.

It seems like some who joined this discussion recently did not comprehend the purpose of why my query was asked in the first place.

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Thank you to all the people who replied with constructive and relevant answers.

To summarize the purpose of my query in a different (and possibly easy to understand why) way: I am creating fun campaign for my players. For my players who also enjoy having PFS characters for standard mode play, applying credit towards a PFS character lets them get bonus reward. Some players also enjoy having the prestige of having a high-level character (and some might not like the idea of risking playing and having a favorite/invested PC die...and thus never play them after applying the 13 levels worth of pregen credit to his/her PFS PC.

If my players did not like the idea of playing in campaign mode and applying pregen credit towards PFS characters then they would have told me so when I presented the idea to them.

Hopefully between this post and my previous one, it has become clear to everyone now why my query was asked in the first place and how it is a smart inquiry. No one referenced another forum posted regarding the same query, and based on the high number of GM stars and posts by some it seems at least one of them would have been aware if another such similar query had been posted on the forums prior to mine.

In short, my query was not just for the benefit of my group, but ALL players/GMs who like the idea of being able to run a smooth campaign mode campaign (not needing 'pixie dust' aspects) and still being able to receive credit towards PFS characters.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Nobody here has mentioned sales, except for you just now. We're not employees of Paizo, and we certainly don't make any money doing this.

I understand you want to do things legit. That's commendable. I and a handful of other posters were just trying to lend our advice to potentially save you a giant headache.

But if you and your players think it'll be fun, go nuts.

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Just remember that The Harrowing and Doom Comes to Dustpawn do not have campaign mode options if I recall correctly and will require legal PFS characters to play through, which may need to be different from your campaign mode PCs.

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> Nefreet: Someone did mention sales prior. I accidentally posted the topic twice so it might have been one of the few posts from the other initial post. I also mentioned it as a preventive measure against any future posters who might see that as a reason that it should not be allowed.

> StevenSchopmeyer: Yes, both the Harrowing and Doom Comes to Dustpawn have the campaign mode option. One of the first things I did was look for campaign mode allowed modules (after discovering Plunder and Peril offers it) so there would be no need to 'break from streamline campaign mode with their AP characters.

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Can you show me where you found that? I've only seen the campaign mode option allowed for APs and where specifically outlined as available in the modules rules for sanctioned content. To my knowledge, only the new 64-page modules have allowances for campaign mode at this time.

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D. Masters wrote:
For my players who also enjoy having PFS characters for standard mode play, applying credit towards a PFS character lets them get bonus reward.

Can you clarify what you mean by that? As far as I can tell, these PCs will never be available for standard mode play (apart from the issue noted by TOZ above) unless they use (very carefully timed) slow track progression. Is there a benefit to their other PCs that I'm overlooking?

D. Masters wrote:
If my players did not like the idea of playing in campaign mode and applying pregen credit towards PFS characters then they would have told me so when I presented the idea to them.

With the caveat that there may be a 'bonus reward' I'm not aware of, I'm concerned that they may not realise what they're agreeing to (especially as they'll never be able to play these adventures for PFS credit again in future).

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>Stephen Schopmeyer: My bad. Those two modules do not have it. I needed a sanctioned module for that specific level. So they will run through that module with either official pre-gens or with the PFS characters they have applied their pregen credit towards thus far during the AP campaign. I will also ask my players (once they reach the appropriate level) if they want to use the AP campaign mode PCs or their PFS characters for Heroes of the Reborn Forge.

>Matt Lewis: 'bonus reward' I am simply referring to the fact that their campaign PCs level up as well as being able to level up their PFS characters as part of the pregen credit aspect of playing the AP, Plunder and Peril. They could play Heroes of the Reborn Forge in campaign mode or as standard mode with their PFS characters. So their PFS characters will play standard mode in levels 1,2 with the options of using them (instead of an iconic pregen)for level 9. They will also have the option of playing their PFS characters for levels 12,13 and 14 for Heroes of the Reborn Forge (so they can qualify for the Seeker Arc bonus chronicle sheet).

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No problem. I was hoping I had just missed the update. I love campaign mode for modules and getting it extended to the previous offerings would make my day.

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They'll have to use their actual characters at level 9, since there are no level 9 Pregens.

But that seems like an extreme continuity hiccup. Play "Bob" for levels 1-2, "George" for levels 3-8, "Bob" for level 9, "George" for levels 10-11, and finally "Bob" again for levels 12-16.

Bob and George won't have the same wealth, equipment, Boons, or experiences.

So unless you're just kind of running the story from two different perspectives, it just seems like a headache.

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>Nefreet: They started as level 1 for the campaign. For the Lv 9 modules it will not be part of the campaign (in campaign it will give me the opportunity to make use of the some of the great story-arc ideas that the Isles of the Shackles and other nearby Campaign setting countries offer. Thank you for you input and advice. So you better understand there are no 'hiccups'. The AP characters are not 'skipping over' any levels/time frame. The PFS characters they are applying credit to are, but are NOT tied in any way to the AP characters (they are simply getting pregen credit applied to them). Think of it like this. The PFS characters are the 'stars' of a recap tv show...and certain things they do are done in-between episodes. The PFS characters are the ONLY ones who will receive Chronicle sheets, boons, etc. The AP characters are not receiving chronicle sheets (the players are receiving the chronicle sheets towards their PFS characters). I hope that was clear enough.

The PFS characters they make are not 'swap out characters' to their AP characters. No 'pixie dust' treatment. Once they gain the pregen credit to reach lv 9 I will run the Lv 9 module(s) for them (again with no ties to their AP characters at all). Then as a group we will decide if they want to use their AP characters for Heroes of the Reborn Forge or use their PFS characters for that module.

At no time will their ever be any 'beam x PC out and beam in y PC". The AP campaign will not have any 'break the continuity rule regarding gear' which PFS scenarios need in order to keep all PFS characters at the same level playing field.

>Stephen: Yes, I hope Paizo starts making it staple to allow campaign mode allowed for all modules (and even better retroactively allowing previous modules as such). By doing so a home game could have a continuous 'makes sense' full-length campaign and applying credit to PFS characters. Regardless if they use the PFS characters for any actual scenarios. I will take an educated guess that I am not the only Pathfinder player who likes the esteem of having a high-level PFS character which is 'shelved' (not in danger of dying).

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>Nefreet: The PFS characters they are making are not 'clones' of their campaign PCs. Were you under the assumption they were. That could explain why you were misunderstanding and thinking there would be hiccups when there will not be.

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D. Masters wrote:
One of my goals is once we are done the campaign (two sessions a month so well over a year away) is the group doing a Paizo and/or GenCon vacation and playing our PFS PCs at a high level table.

To me, this is kind of the fatal flaw in this plan.

The scenario opportunities described are fleeting at best. At Gen Con and Paizo Con you might find seeker arc scenarios available. At this point one is limited to only exactly level 12 characters (ending them at 13.2) and the other is for characters between 12-15. So the former is right out, and the later would get you anywhere between 3-6 games worth of play at 15th level as you've stated is your end goal. There could be another in the next year or two, who knows, but they too will likely be limited to 12-15 as well. Only very rarely do I see modules being run, and they're not typically sponsored events at the major conventions.

So for this effort, you get characters to play in Paizo sponsored seeker arc games which have never been played before, and you're extremely limited in what you can play and when you'll be able to play it.

If you want 15 level characters, knock yourself out, but Pathfinder Society is really designed for the beef of levels 1 - 11 with the very rare opportunity to do anything higher than that. I don't know if this really will help you get to play at the prestige levels you're hoping.

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>MisterSlanky: Thanks for the information. If it happens it will be a bonus. I have it set up so if the players want they can have their PFS characters get credit up to exactly the start of level 12. Stopping there I will mention to them is an option (so we have PFS characters ready to play in Seeker Arc modules at conventions.

I plan to do the same thing with other sanctioned AP paths after Skulls and Shackles as well...so they will be able to get both options in time (lv 12 PFS characters eligible for seeker arc modules at cons as well as 'shelved' higher level PFS characters.

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The issue with that plan is that Seeker arcs build on a history of PFS scenarios. Characters coming from modules and APs will have no ties to the NPCs and events that drive the Seeker content. Eyes of the Ten is far diminished by playing it with characters who have not played through Seasons 0-2.

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What Steven just said.

This sounds like an exceptionally bad idea.

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I also want to address something you said earlier - I may have misunderstood you, but it sounds like you are planning to give every player two chronicles, one for the PC in the game and one for another PC as "pregen" credit. If so, that is not allowed.

If you are playing a "home game" mode of an AP, then the characters playing are not PFS characters (and do not have to follow PFS rules unless you want them to), and do not get chronicles or credit as PFS characters. Instead, you give the chronicles to another PC as "pregen" credit.

On the other hand, if you are running it as a PFS game, then the PCs get the chronicles as they play, and they do not get to give credit to another PC as well. The PCs in the game are then legal to play elsewhere, subject to their level. That is why so many people are asking why bother?", since the PCs getting the PFS credit will almost certainly never get to play anywhere else.

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>Tony Lindman and everyone else who misunderstood it: I, at no time, ever mentioned giving my players two chronicle sheets per sanctioned content. Their AP campaign mode characters are NOT getting chronicle sheets (they cannot period as I am using campaign mode using rules making their campaign PCs ineligible for chronicle sheets). The players (not AP campaign characters) are receiving chronicle sheets, which are being applied to their PFS characters.

Tony, what gave you the impression I was planning on giving the players 2 chronicle sheets for each sanctioned content?

In case what give you that impression was my question regarding if they can use my books. I know they can for the campaign mode. It is regarding their legal PFS characters I was asking about being able to make use of the books I (and the group has overall) regardless if player A is making use of a PF book that player B (or I) have which player A himself does not own.

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>MisterSlanky: why, exactly does it sound like an 'exceptionally bad' idea to you? You do not approve of giving your home group of players the opportunity to play campaign mode APs/modules (using non-PFS characters) that can apply credit to playing the sanctioned AP/modules towards actual PFS characters?

Here are two most common scenarios (working with using non-pFS campaign mode PCs).

Option 1: the way I am doing it, which Stephen has already mentioned he is a fan of (and like me would like more campaign mode sanctioned modules). The players cannot replay the AP/modules with other PFS characters towards credit. They have played the AP/modules and have had the goal of having fun.

Option 2: the way your post makes you seem to be in favor of: the players player non-PFS campaign mode characters for no credit towards PFS characters. They then replay the APs/modules using PFS characters for credit. Thus, having them play through APs/modules they have already played (which the PFS rules advises against if)/

To everyone who thinks this is a bad idea: Explain why you think giving your home group of players using campaign mode characters( using non legal PFS characters) the option (and bonus) of allowing them to apply pregren credit towards PFS characters for APs/modules that they would not otherwise get UNLESS they run through the AP/module again. Overall, do you repeat the same adventures twice you run for your home group? Because by your stance of thinking my idea is a 'bad idea' then you apparently think the majority of Pathfinder players enjoy replaying modules/APs they have played already over playing modules/APs they have never played before.

Some other information (which should have been obvious but apparently is not). Not all Pathfinder players prefer PFS over regular PF play. My players fall into the category of non-PFS preferred (so giving them the option I am gives them the best of both worlds/sides of things). PFS play is secondary for my group.

Here is another thing to think about. Maybe you have a group of non-PFS players. (or a group of mixed players). The non-PFS players have no interest to play sanctioned 'restricted compared to campaign mode' and flat-out state they will not show up for such sessions. You might be able to persuade such players to at least apply credit towards a PFS character. That way there should such players ever change their minds, they will have PFS characters at the same level range as the rest of the players in your home group.

It would kind of suck if down the line, your group goes to a convention to play in PFS scenarios...and some of the group can not play at the table the group chose to play at with their higher (than level 1) characters...because they did not do the very little work of creating a PFS number and character.

In summary, it is NOT a lot of extra work for your players. It ensures that should a group decide to sign up together for a higher than level 1-2 scenario, they have the option of the whole group being able to do so.

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