This concerns how many sleeves you need for Wrath.
For Runelords, we have an official card count.
For S&S, we have an official card count, although I don't quite understand the discrepancy with Runelords.
Unless my search-fu is failing me, we don't have such a count for Wrath. Can we get one?
Hopefully I grabbed the link correctly...
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2s99t?WotR-Card-Counts#2
Thanks. As I expected, was my fu.
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For S&S, we have an official card count, although I don't quite understand the discrepancy with Runelords.
Do you mean the fact that (excluding promos) Runelords has 1155 cards and S&S and Wrath each have 1170?
Our cards are printed on 110-card sheets. This is why all six adventure decks and each set's Character Add-On Deck contain 110 cards each; together, they account for 770 cards in each AP.
That leaves 385 B cards in Runelords, and 400 B cards in Wrath and S&S.
385 means we're using 3.5 110-card sheets. (The "half-sheet" cards are printed on regular sheets where the top and bottom halves are identical; the top half goes into one box, and the bottom half goes into another.)
So what's with the extra 15 cards in Wrath and S&S?
Some of you will recall that Runelords was first printed in China, so it was designed to suit the requirements of that printer. You may have noticed that all of the cards that have checkboxes on them have a different surface than the other cards. The other cards have a lacquer varnish that protects the card surface, and also gives them a nice glossy look. We don't varnish the cards with checkboxes because they're easier to write on that way (and because you're never asked to shuffle cards with checkboxes on them, we're not concerned about the lack of a protective surface). With our Chinese printer, the unvarnished cards were on the same sheet as varnished cards.
With our US printer, they prefer to put the unvarnished cards on a separate sheet. S&S and Wrath each have 15 unvarnished cards: 7 characters, 7 roles, and the Fleet card (in S&S) or the Redemption card (in Wrath). We still use 3.5 regular sheets in those sets, so the total count is increased by the number of unvarnished cards.
So now you're probably wondering why the US-printed Character Add-On Decks and Class Decks have unvarnished cards but aren't over 110 cards. The answer is that our printer *prefers* the unvarnished cards on a separate sheet, but that doesn't mean they *require* it. It's more important in this case that these products fit into a standard box, and the standard box is designed for a single 110-card sheet, so we put the unvarnished cards on the same sheet as the varnished cards.
I think elcoderdude took the RotR FAQ to mean there were 1163 single sided and 150 double sided, when it really means to say there are 1163 cards in total (both single and double sided), then tells you how many sleeves to buy.
Though, that information is really interesting.
Thanks, Vic. Awesome insight.
Especially to someone who used to work on CCGs for AEG, so I had already grokked the 385 thing but was uncertain about the 400. Always figured that the extra 15 were printed alongside promos (which is what Alderac did all the time -> ~360 cards in a set with ~15 promos that sprinkled their way across the tourney season), but now I'm just figuring each promo (or pair of promos) gets its own sheet.
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...but now I'm just figuring each promo (or pair of promos) gets its own sheet.
With RotR, S&S, and Wrath, the promos were printed at the same time as the full set, all sharing a single sheet of their own.
Tup was printed alongside wave 4 of the Class Decks.
With MM, we need the convention promo for Gen Con in August, but the other promos aren't needed until the set comes out in October, so the convention promo was printed on a sheet by itself alongside wave 5 of the Class Decks, while the other promos will be together on a sheet alongside the rest of MM.