So I played a game the other day and two different scenarios came up regarding attacks of opportunity (AoO) so I had a couple of questions:
1. When taking a five foot step and using a battle map, can you move diagonally? This relates to AoOs because more AoOs will be taken if you can't move diagonally
2. For combat reflexes, a character said that she could use all of her AoOs on a target if a target provoked, because it said that you get extra AoOs based on your dexterity modifier. I thought that each action that provoked only provoked one AoO, and that combat reflexes merely let you take advantage of more different AoOs in a turn.
I'd appreciate it if you could link to a previous ruling so that I can show them; thanks in advance!
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1. The first diagonal step you take counts as 5ft per the movement rules thus yes you can take a diagonal 5ft step. No need for any further discussion than that.
2. Straight from Paizo's PRD:
Combat Reflexes and Additional Attacks of Opportunity: If you have the Combat Reflexes feat, you can add your Dexterity bonus to the number of attacks of opportunity you can make in a round. This feat does not let you make more than one attack for a given opportunity, but if the same opponent provokes two attacks of opportunity from you, you could make two separate attacks of opportunity (since each one represents a different opportunity). Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn't count as more than one opportunity for that opponent. All these attacks are at your full normal attack bonus.
So no, you need separate provoking actions for each AoO.
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So I played a game the other day and two different scenarios came up regarding attacks of opportunity (AoO) so I had a couple of questions:
1. When taking a five foot step and using a battle map, can you move diagonally? This relates to AoOs because more AoOs will be taken if you can't move diagonally.
What do you mean by this? Since 5' steps don't provoke, why would making diagonal 5' steps reduce the number of AoOs? (Even for normal movement, when would moving diagonally reduce the number of AoOs?)
Edit: It has occurred to me that you might be using a "battle map" from before this FAQ was written.
10-Foot Reach and Diagonals: I’m confused about reach and diagonals. I heard somewhere online that you don’t threaten the second diagonal with a 10-foot reach but that you somehow get an attack of opportunity when opponents move out of that square, but the Rules Reference Cards show that you do threaten the second diagonal. Which one is correct?
The cards are correct. As an exception to the way that diagonals normally work, a creature with 10 feet of reach threatens the second diagonal. These changes will be reflected in the next errata.
Of course, that isn't an issue if you are taking 5' steps.
Thanks guys, a few words:
1. Gisher, I meant that diagonals help reduce AoOs because the five foot step mechanic is important in avoiding AoOs - though that is an interesting piece of information I did not know
2. Gullyble Dwarf, forgive me but my search fu seems to be weak. I wholeheartedly agree with what you say, yet I can't find a link to share with my players. I tried the pathfinder prd and the [url=http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/combat-reflexes-combat]d20psfrd[/rul] but can't find the second part of what you wrote.
3. The same goes for the diagonal ruling, I can't seem to find a link that says that the first diagonal counts as five feet online
Sorry if I'm being a bit difficult, I just know that both my players and myself would like to see the rules written out for us (rather than taken on faith)
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Combat Reflexes and Additional Attacks of Opportunity: If you have the Combat Reflexes feat, you can add your Dexterity bonus to the number of attacks of opportunity you can make in a round. This feat does not let you make more than one attack for a given opportunity, but if the same opponent provokes two attacks of opportunity from you, you could make two separate attacks of opportunity (since each one represents a different opportunity). Moving out of more than one square threatened by the same opponent in the same round doesn't count as more than one opportunity for that opponent. All these attacks are at your full normal attack bonus.
...found on this page.
Thanks Valandil!
I'm still curious if there is a link saying how diagonals work, I think Gullyble Dwarf is right, I just want to be sure.
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Thanks Valandil!
I'm still curious if there is a link saying how diagonals work, I think Gullyble Dwarf is right, I just want to be sure.
What exactly is the question on the diagonals? Can you make a diagonal 5 foot step? Yes. The first diagonal is always counted as 5 feet. That is covered in Tactical Movement.
Can you make a Diagonal 5 foot step? Yes because it only costs 5 feet to move that first diagonal. Hence it is as legal to 5 foot step on a diagonal as it is to 5 foot step on a horizontal or vertical axis. That is covered in Tactical Movement.
Do 5 foot steps provoke? No they NEVER provoke. That is covered in 5 foot steps.
Does this clarify things?
Awesome Gilflas, this is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks again to everyone who's posted, you've all been a great help
:)
Awesome Gilflas, this is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks again to everyone who's posted, you've all been a great help
:)
I'm happy that you found the information that you needed. :)
Awesome Gilflas, this is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks again to everyone who's posted, you've all been a great help
:)
You are most welcome.
Yeah, they need to provoke several times. If you need extra proof, Snake Fang would become completely illegitimate.