First off, this is for PFS, so sadly I cannot go to my GM and see if it's okay...
My character is about to gain a new level and with it a new feat. When I saw this feat, I thought "Yes!" because panache counts as grit for feat prerequisites. So I was going to snag Blind Fight to snag this at my next opportunity.
Now, I am just not entirely sure about "shooting" my arrows... Is this something that would likely cause GM/player conflict? I understand that not every GM in PFS makes a fuss over these things and some do, I'm just trying to foreshadow about "how often" it may cause a problem. I know that I (even as a GM) typically don't stress the details too much (it's a game that's supposed to be fun), but PFS is RAW so I just don't want to select this if it is "shut down" at every table.
Thanks for the help!
The feat makes no mention of firearms, and an arrow loosed from a bow is definitely being "shot."
Hopefully, most will think like you and me.
The feat makes no mention of firearms"You can ricochet a firearm shot off the wall and still hit your target."
That is fluff text. Although that does point strongly to RAI.
Okay, does that mean I should skip it all together?
I don't want to be problematic, I just thought bouncing arrows of walls would be fun.
Okay, does that mean I should skip it all together?
I don't want to be problematic, I just thought bouncing arrows of walls would be fun.
It doesn't mean anything other than I wouldn't expect immediate acceptance of your idea.
Ask if the feat applies to bows, to see if you can take it.
I'm also having a hard time picturing an arrow ricocheting off a wall with the same accuracy as a bullet. As a GM, I'd be raising all the eyebrows at this.
RAW, though, you absolutely qualify for this feat, and since the crunch text of the feat doesn't specify firearms, RAW, you can use this feat to apply to bows just as easily as firearms. Actually, the more I look at the words "fire a shot", the more I realize how poorly vague this feat is. Can you possibly use this to ricochet rays??? It'd make more sense from a physics standpoint than ricocheting arrows, anyway.
I'm also having a hard time picturing an arrow ricocheting off a wall with the same accuracy as a bullet. As a GM, I'd be raising all the eyebrows at this.
RAW, though, you absolutely qualify for this feat, and since the crunch text of the feat doesn't specify firearms, RAW, you can use this feat to apply to bows just as easily as firearms. Actually, the more I look at the words "fire a shot", the more I realize how poorly vague this feat is. Can you possibly use this to ricochet rays??? It'd make more sense from a physics standpoint than ricocheting arrows, anyway.
In terms of "reality" ricocheting any projectile accurately is very difficult requiring years or practice I'd assume.
Me imagining how this feat works with any weapon is just "cool", but not realistic. People can ricochet arrows, videos of it all over the internet. Pretty cool actually.
I'm also having a hard time picturing an arrow ricocheting off a wall with the same accuracy as a bullet. As a GM, I'd be raising all the eyebrows at this.
RAW, though, you absolutely qualify for this feat, and since the crunch text of the feat doesn't specify firearms, RAW, you can use this feat to apply to bows just as easily as firearms. Actually, the more I look at the words "fire a shot", the more I realize how poorly vague this feat is. Can you possibly use this to ricochet rays??? It'd make more sense from a physics standpoint than ricocheting arrows, anyway.
In terms of "reality" ricocheting any projectile accurately is very difficult requiring years or practice I'd assume.
Me imagining how this feat works with any weapon is just "cool", but not realistic. People can ricochet arrows, videos of it all over the internet. Pretty cool actually.
Hmm I did a quick search and only found videos of arrows accidentally bouncing off the target and hitting something else. Obviously, ricocheting anything with any accuracy is a fool's errand, but as I said - from a physics standpoint, arrows make the least sense, being oblong with their center of gravity at the front; they'd lose any lethality after ricocheting from all the dispersed force going up the shaft. Most bullets aren't perfect spheres, but they're certainly closer than any arrow, and their center of gravity is much more, well, centered; While accuracy would be all but lost, it's very easy to see how a bullet could keep most of its velocity after being redirected. Plus there's the fact that a bullet spins while flying, and an arrow bends. There would likely be an endless list of all the possible angles an arrow would ricochet, based on what angle it was curved at when it struck the wall; a spinning ball would be far less unpredictable in the same circumstances.
Hmm I did a quick search and only found videos of arrows accidentally bouncing off the target and hitting something else. Obviously, ricocheting anything with any accuracy is a fool's errand, but as I said - from a physics standpoint, arrows make the least sense, being oblong with their center of gravity at the front; they'd lose any lethality after ricocheting from all the dispersed force going up the shaft. Most bullets aren't perfect spheres, but they're certainly closer than any arrow, and their center of gravity is much more, well, centered; While accuracy would be all but lost, it's very easy to see how a bullet could keep most of its velocity after being redirected. Plus there's the fact that a bullet spins while flying, and an arrow bends. There would likely be an endless list of all the possible angles an arrow would ricochet, based on what angle it was curved at when it struck the wall; a spinning ball would be far less unpredictable in the same circumstances.I'm also having a hard time picturing an arrow ricocheting off a wall with the same accuracy as a bullet. As a GM, I'd be raising all the eyebrows at this.
RAW, though, you absolutely qualify for this feat, and since the crunch text of the feat doesn't specify firearms, RAW, you can use this feat to apply to bows just as easily as firearms. Actually, the more I look at the words "fire a shot", the more I realize how poorly vague this feat is. Can you possibly use this to ricochet rays??? It'd make more sense from a physics standpoint than ricocheting arrows, anyway.
In terms of "reality" ricocheting any projectile accurately is very difficult requiring years or practice I'd assume.
Me imagining how this feat works with any weapon is just "cool", but not realistic. People can ricochet arrows, videos of it all over the internet. Pretty cool actually.
Yeah, fantasy settings.
Anyways, maybe I'll just do it anyways, if a GM cries foul, I'll just be a feat short for the game.
Hmm I did a quick search and only found videos of arrows accidentally bouncing off the target and hitting something else. Obviously, ricocheting anything with any accuracy is a fool's errand, but as I said - from a physics standpoint, arrows make the least sense, being oblong with their center of gravity at the front; they'd lose any lethality after ricocheting from all the dispersed force going up the shaft. Most bullets aren't perfect spheres, but they're certainly closer than any arrow, and their center of gravity is much more, well, centered; While accuracy would be all but lost, it's very easy to see how a bullet could keep most of its velocity after being redirected. Plus there's the fact that a bullet spins while flying, and an arrow bends. There would likely be an endless list of all the possible angles an arrow would ricochet, based on what angle it was curved at when it struck the wall; a spinning ball would be far less unpredictable in the same circumstances.I'm also having a hard time picturing an arrow ricocheting off a wall with the same accuracy as a bullet. As a GM, I'd be raising all the eyebrows at this.
RAW, though, you absolutely qualify for this feat, and since the crunch text of the feat doesn't specify firearms, RAW, you can use this feat to apply to bows just as easily as firearms. Actually, the more I look at the words "fire a shot", the more I realize how poorly vague this feat is. Can you possibly use this to ricochet rays??? It'd make more sense from a physics standpoint than ricocheting arrows, anyway.
In terms of "reality" ricocheting any projectile accurately is very difficult requiring years or practice I'd assume.
Me imagining how this feat works with any weapon is just "cool", but not realistic. People can ricochet arrows, videos of it all over the internet. Pretty cool actually.
Yeah, fantasy settings.
Anyways, maybe I'll just do it anyways, if a GM cries foul, I'll just be a feat short for...
Maybe you should pick out a backup feat in case that happens; you won't need to miss anything.
So same thing, but slightly different.
What if I were playing a Bolt Ace instead? I would be essentially a gunslinger using a crossbow. Would it be equally farfetched?
So same thing, but slightly different.
What if I were playing a Bolt Ace instead? I would be essentially a gunslinger using a crossbow. Would it be equally farfetched?
If you're referring to my previous comments about questionable physics with arrows deflecting off walls without going all over the place, then yes; a crossbow bolt is cylindrical with its center of gravity at the front, just like an arrow.
If you're wondering about if you could legally use the Ricochet Shot Deed, I think it's more or less in the same ballpark as with the Hooded Champion. The feat implies it's only usable with firearms, but RAW, you should be able to use it with just about any ranged attack (including crossbows).