Greetings!
We just started playing ROTR with a full 6 players (which has given some difficulty due to the time limit), and I'm playing Cogsnap from the Alchemist class deck. Really neat character.
I've been using the Acid Flask for most of my bigger combat checks and just banishing other less useful alchemical/liquid items (as per Cogsnap's power), and then getting more fuel back after killing the monster. Works super well.
The question came up, however, that because the Acid Flask lets me make a Disable check +2d6 as my combat check, can I reveal Masterwork Tools to add two dice to that check? Or, because they are both items, am I restricted from doing so?
I'm uncertain as to the interaction between an "For your combat check" item and other items.
Thank you for the help!
P.S. Acid Flask is a bit stupid. Goose in the rigging? Throw acid at it! Collapsing Ceiling? Throw acid! Man overboard? Here, use this acid to float!
You're right. Even though Masterworks Tools would add dice to a Disable combat check, you can't use two items on the same check, so you can't use Acid Flask and Masterwork Tools.
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Well, for Goose in the rigging I assume you are dissolving the rigging. Maybe the same for collapsed ceiling. For Man Overboard I assume I'm threatening someone else with the acid flask to make them dive in and save the man who is overboard.
I had a similar thought about Vellexia from Wrath. It seems a flask of acid can go along way towards passing a "diplomacy" check.
Apologies for bringing back and old thread, but I was looking for some advice regarding Cogsnap's Bloodbomber role, which can essentially allow you to use two items on a check, as long as the first one is Alchemical. Does that mean you could potentially use the Acid Flask and then power it up with Masterwork Tools? Or am I interpreting that power incorrectly?
I'm asking because I'm playing with someone who thinks this power means he can use two attack items on his combat check, e.g. Acid Flask and Liquid Ice. But this doesn't seem right to me. What would another use for this power be?
You can still only play one card that determines the skill for the check. (WotR Rulebook p. 12.)
Perhaps you had an attack Item along with an Item that added to the related skill (like the Masterwork Tools with the Acid Flask) or one that reduces damage. Those would be times you might want to play two Items on the same check.
The first item (□or any item) you play that has the Alchemical or Liquid trait does not count against the number of items you can play on a check or step.
There are two major limits about playing cards:
1. Only 1 card of each type per step or check.
2. Only 1 card to determine the skill you're using.
Cogsnap Bloodbomber gets to break rule 1, but not rule 2. In other words, you can still only play 1 card to determine the skill you're using for the check.
Like Parody said so well.
Gotcha. This was my intuition, but couldn't articulate it. Thanks much for the clarification!
The first item (□or any item) you play that has the Alchemical or Liquid trait does not count against the number of items you can play on a check or step.There are two major limits about playing cards:
1. Only 1 card of each type per step or check.
2. Only 1 card to determine the skill you're using.Cogsnap Bloodbomber gets to break rule 1, but not rule 2. In other words, you can still only play 1 card to determine the skill you're using for the check.
Like Parody said so well.
If you can't double up on checks even with the Bloodbomber power, what's the point of it then? Does it only work with stuff like Blast Stone where it just works against certain card card types or combat in general and doesn't call out a skill? As in, why can't I use Cogsnap to play Alchemist Fire x2 and use Ranged for both?
You can only use one power to determine the skill you're using. For combat, once you play a card that defines the skill you are using for your combat, it's set. Period. Alchemists often use items to determine their skill in combat, meaning that they cannot play another item on that combat check (rule number 1 in Hawkmoon's post). Cogsnap's power let's him circumvent that rule and play more items that add or modify the check, just not items that define the skill to be used.
Examples of cards he could play in the Alchemist Class Deck include Smoked Glass Goggles, Embalming Fluid, Flash Freeze, and Deliquescent Gloves. I'm sure I could find more if I look through Ultimate Decks or Adventurer Packs (not to mention items acquired during scenarios). You helpfully provided the example of Blast Stone.
I hope this helps!
I actually believe RailyardGamesJames is thinking of the spell Acid Burst (just because they asked about that very spell at roughly the same time in a Discord channel). I'm also answering under the assumption that we're discussing the Core Set version of Valeros (because the writer was playing The Dragon's Demand from the Core Set). I'll amend Jenceslav's help for that particular spell . . .
Valeros can use Acid Burst.
For your combat or Disable check, banish to use Arcane + 2d4.
DURING RECOVERY
If proficient, discard this card; you may succeed at an Arcane 6 check to recharge it instead.
Valeros does not have the Arcane skill (it's not listed on his character card), so his Arcane is considered 1d4. Therefore, he rolls 3d4.
Also, he is not proficient with this spell (he is proficient with Armor and Weapons, neither of which traits are on Acid Burst), so during recovery he would banish the spell back to the vault.
So Valeros in Combat can roll both his STR & Melee dice + 3d4 for ACID BURST ????
I really appreciate your help...made my day!
On any given check, a character must decide one skill to use for that check. (This is spelled out on page 11 of the Core Set rulebook, in case reading it there is any clearer.) Any character may choose either Strength or Melee for combat (remembering that if they don't have the Melee skill listed on their character card, their Melee would be considered 1d4.)
In Valeros's case, Melee of 1d10+2 is pretty good. Most melee weapons give the option, "For your combat check, reveal to use Melee + (some other die)". This will be Valeros's main way of fighting.If he chose to use Acid Burst, the power says that for his combat check, he may banish it to use Arcane + 2d4. If he plays this power, he's choosing Arcane instead of Melee, because he can only choose one skill to use in his attempt to succeed the check. So no 1d10+2 and 3d4.
Now, there are spells with powers that add to a check. One such spell could be played on a check where Valeros is making a Melee check for combat. Let me share the powers on the level 3 spell from Curse of the Crimson Throne.
For your combat check, banish to use Arcane + 2d12.
On a local combat check, banish to add 2d8 and the Attack, Magic, and Poison traits.
Valeros couldn't use the first power and his Melee skill, because the first power specifically makes it an Arcane check, not a Melee check. However, the second power simply adds to the check, so Valeros could play it and still choose Melee (with or without a weapon) for his combat skill.