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Mike Bramnik wrote:
Mike Bramnik wrote:
Question about the end of Part 1. The text says 2 Guards+, but the stat blocks suggest it's 3 Guards+. Since Red Alert replaces the encounter in Area B (which has 3 Guards+) that's my guess - but I wanted to check. Thanks in advance!
Just bumping this since it seems to have been lost in all the posts since Gen Con GMs got this dropped to their accounts.

It's three guards, unless you are applying the four-player adjustment.

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/55/5

This just dropped into my account but I'm not going to GenCon this year. Is there an official date when I can run this? For example, could I run it GenCon weekend near my home with other folks who can't go? Thanks in advance!

Dark Archive 5/5

I take it that an add. phase is added for ea. phase pcs dont get a strike (not if its an auto one)?????
Doesnt say but would think the obvious.

5/5

Salafax: Can't be run before it runs at GenCon.

joe: I don't think there are added phases for any reason - from all accounts this runs long enough as is.

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/55/5

GM Lamplighter wrote:

Salafax: Can't be run before it runs at GenCon.

Thanks! I totally get it can't be run before GenCon but how about during. For example, could I run it that Saturday night? Sorry to split hairs on this and thanks again.

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I played this at Paizocon UK at the weekend with what I assume is that post US Paizocon updated version. We had something like 20 tables running of which maybe 2 or 3 seemed to finish on time. Most still ran well over with reports of some hitting 7 hours+.

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andreww wrote:
I played this at Paizocon UK at the weekend with what I assume is that post US Paizocon updated version. We had something like 20 tables running of which maybe 2 or 3 seemed to finish on time. Most still ran well over with reports of some hitting 7 hours+.

Ouch! Were the slots 5 hours? As the Gen Con session is scheduled to end at 1:00 am, I'm looking at ways to make sure this fits in the 5 hour slot.

Are the players going to be provided with the pregens before the slot begins, like online, or it's all table time for the players to look over and pick the pregens? (I know that if they are available online, most players will still not have seen them before they are at the table.)

5/5

Swiftbrook wrote:
andreww wrote:
I played this at Paizocon UK at the weekend with what I assume is that post US Paizocon updated version. We had something like 20 tables running of which maybe 2 or 3 seemed to finish on time. Most still ran well over with reports of some hitting 7 hours+.

Ouch! Were the slots 5 hours? As the Gen Con session is scheduled to end at 1:00 am, I'm looking at ways to make sure this fits in the 5 hour slot.

Are the players going to be provided with the pregens before the slot begins, like online, or it's all table time for the players to look over and pick the pregens? (I know that if they are available online, most players will still not have seen them before they are at the table.)

They were I think 4.5 hours but we lost some time at the start with some presentations. The players did not have access to the pregens in advance.

Dark Archive 5/5 5/55/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Upper Midwest aka Silbeg

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I think the biggest thing that GMs can do to help will be to push a little in the investigation acts... RP, but don't go over the top. Go long enough until the gist has been gotten, then transition to the rolls. Give a good idea that they have most (or all) of the information, plus give good clues as to the rising level of concern (aka strikes). Aim for completing Part 1 within 1 hour.

Also, call combats when they are effectively done, don't worry about rolling out the last damages if it can save 10-15 minutes.

Have handouts for information garnered... hand those out instead of talking it through?

On The Lab Warren, be clear that there are three things that they can search for... find allies, find evidence, and find treasure. Tell them the skills, and one at a time, let them decide what they are rolling for. It says each PC knows what the other are doing. Remember that they only have 2 actions each for this, so you can push this pretty quickly. Have handouts for the treasures found. (Better, allow the spellcrafts casually, and only give the cards for the ones they identify).

And as a GM, know the special abilities of all the critters, and the PC's pregens as well.

Dark Archive 5/5 5/55/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Upper Midwest aka Silbeg

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For the pregens, I am planning on doing what I did with True Dragons and Serpents' Rise... have very short blurbs about their abilities on a card, hand those out. Let the players decide based on limited information, and give one chance to trade. Once they decide hand out, and the keep what they got. Make it fast. The time to select pregens should be no more than 5 minutes.

I'll post the blurb cards to PFS Prep once I have them done.

The Exchange 5/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Mediterranean aka Wintergreen

We chose not to give out the pre-gens beforehand, but we did make considerable use of the prep material such as the cheat sheets for each character. Even so, reading through the characters takes time.

The first part of the scenario is roleplay heavy, but shouldn't be rushed. In the second part, we skipped the optional combat but the combats are (enjoyably) complex.

As a GM who often seems to run long, I was expecting to be one of the last running this and that was the case. But I'm sure my players would have felt cheated if it had been rushed.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Starfinder Superscriber

They have made some changes to the scenario that will hopefully make it fit into 5 hours better than it did. (F'rinstance, one of the encounters is now an optional encounter.) But, yes, as GM, you really need to keep them on track during the first section; that one has the possibility to blossom... which would be great in an open-ended home game, but is a problem in a single-scenario time-limited slot.

The Exchange 5/5 Venture-Captain, Ireland—Belfast aka heretic

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When I read the scenario I knew that if I approached it the way I normally do it would run well over time even without the optional encounter.

I produced every time saving hand-out, floor plan, pawn etc. that I could to shave off minutes and prepped as fully as possible.

Truth is though, there is heavy RP and the fights are complex. It was a late night session at end of a long day & a number of the players found that though the spirit was willing the flesh was getting a little weak.

In the first part I had to try to keep players focused on the specified tasks at hand with their special mechanics and to use the time we had for role playing with these in mind.

The attempts at communication with the chandelier could & ideally should have lasted a lot longer (brought to an early end with a red alert). I'd have loved more time.

The underground section is another one where I'd have loved another 30 minutes to role play but as long as you have a clear idea of what info/handouts the players can get & the players understand how they get them, it runs pretty smoothly.

The final multi part fight again works smoothly as long as you remember what all the critters, terrain and environment do & how they interact. Pfsprep.com is your friend.

We still ran long and without the red alert being triggered would have run 20-30 minutes longer I think. With this scenario I think we just to need to embrace the longer run time rather than risk losing it's flavour by concentrating on bare mechanics in an effort to save time.

When I schedule this for our conventions next season I will be basing it on running 5 hours after the players have familiarised themselves and skipping the optional.

W

Grand Lodge 5/5

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Mine was one of the few tables that finished in under 5 hours, if only just. Things I'll say about it;

- In a perfect world I'd run this in a 6 hour slot, with an additional hour beforehand for players to familiarize themselves with their characters.

- My table were all experienced PFS gamers, and I believe that definitely contributed to the faster finish. If you have a table with players who are new to Pathfinder (or even just to the pre-gen classes that are available), I think you will struggle to fit this into 5 hours as an enjoyable experience.

- Part 1 is excellent and the first fight in Part 2 is also very good. Don't be tempted to fast forward the early game to try and get to the later encounters, as in many ways the later encounters are actually the weakest in the scenario. The nightmare creatures can be shut down far too easily (Shohiraj can basically deal with it single-handed without any combat) and the final boss is a debuffer type without the DPS to back it up. This scenario is definitely all about the journey rather than the destination, and should be run with that in mind.

Silver Crusade 4/5 5/55/55/5 RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8

Does anybody know if the images for Falth, Thestil Shadowtongue, and/or Eramay have appeared in a pawn box? I wasn't able to find them in the NPC Codex pawns or the PFS pawns.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

Michael Eshleman wrote:
Does anybody know if the images for Falth, Thestil Shadowtongue, and/or Eramay have appeared in a pawn box? I wasn't able to find them in the NPC Codex pawns or the PFS pawns.

Those three art pieces come from Inner Sea Races, so they don't have pawns.

The Exchange 5/5

I was asked today if this could be assigned to a Core PC... and I had to reply that I had no idea...

Could this be run in the CORE campaign (Judge and players all assigning the Chronicle to Core PCs)?

5/5

nosig wrote:

I was asked today if this could be assigned to a Core PC... and I had to reply that I had no idea...

Could this be run in the CORE campaign (Judge and players all assigning the Chronicle to Core PCs)?

It was allowed for Serpents Rise so I don't see why not.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Manchester aka Merisal The Risen

Tonya say Yes

The Exchange 5/5

Jeff Cook wrote:
Tonya say Yes

thanks!

Liberty's Edge 5/5

So spoiler:

7-26: All For Immortality, Part 2:
calls the site Sunderson, while this calls it Slumbersun. Which is correct?

3/5

I've made some reference cards to pass out at the beginning of the slot to help players quickly pick a pregen. You can find the file on the GM Shared Prep site Here.

Question: I've included a blurp on Evidence Points. I'm hoping that it may speed up the adventure if the understand them. What do you think? Should that info be included?

Silver Crusade 5/5

Hey guys, just thought it might be a good idea to post this in the GM thread as a reminder. Copies of the pregens are not being provided, so everybody make sure to remember to bring copies of your pregens.

Dark Archive 5/5 5/55/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Upper Midwest aka Silbeg

Mitch Mutrux wrote:
Hey guys, just thought it might be a good idea to post this in the GM thread as a reminder. Copies of the pregens are not being provided, so everybody make sure to remember to bring copies of your pregens.

Wait, what?

This is going to be a terrible problem, since it is possible that many or most of the 160 table GMs are not going to know this.

Mitch, did I miss something here?

EDIT: Saw it on Bob's email from Saturday. Still, I am concerned that a large number of folks won't have these, as they have always been provided in the past (ok, so perhaps the "always" is just last year, and previous year's WBG, but...)

Dark Archive 5/5 5/55/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Upper Midwest aka Silbeg

Question about Kar Zaweeb:

He is listed as a Psychic 5, but he has spells that would make it looks he is a Psychic 10 (and his caster level abilities are called out at this level).

Is this a special ability of something I am missing, or a hold-over from the edits?

Thanks!

Dark Archive 5/5

Looks like a typo. As a regular aranea is cr 4 with sorcerer casting lvl 5. He would need to be cl 10 to get his cr up to 10 I believe.

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joe kirner wrote:
Looks like a typo. As a regular aranea is cr 4 with sorcerer casting lvl 5. He would need to be cl 10 to get his cr up to 10 I believe.

He's a variant that casts as a psychic 5 instead of sorcerer, so the psychic levels stack to 10.

Shadow Lodge 5/5 5/55/5 Venture-Lieutenant, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East aka thistledown

Jack Brown wrote:
Mitch Mutrux wrote:
Hey guys, just thought it might be a good idea to post this in the GM thread as a reminder. Copies of the pregens are not being provided, so everybody make sure to remember to bring copies of your pregens.

Wait, what?

This is going to be a terrible problem, since it is possible that many or most of the 160 table GMs are not going to know this.

Mitch, did I miss something here?

EDIT: Saw it on Bob's email from Saturday. Still, I am concerned that a large number of folks won't have these, as they have always been provided in the past (ok, so perhaps the "always" is just last year, and previous year's WBG, but...)

Um, I think that was specifically on the scenario pregens for 6-98, 7-98, and 7-99. Not the general use pregens.

Silver Crusade 5/5

Jack Brown wrote:
Mitch Mutrux wrote:
Hey guys, just thought it might be a good idea to post this in the GM thread as a reminder. Copies of the pregens are not being provided, so everybody make sure to remember to bring copies of your pregens.

Wait, what?

This is going to be a terrible problem, since it is possible that many or most of the 160 table GMs are not going to know this.

Mitch, did I miss something here?

EDIT: Saw it on Bob's email from Saturday. Still, I am concerned that a large number of folks won't have these, as they have always been provided in the past (ok, so perhaps the "always" is just last year, and previous year's WBG, but...)

Yeah, it was in Bob's email. But since it is different than how things were last year I thought it beared repeating.

Guys and gals, if you know people who are volunteering that don't normally check the boards, make sure and spread the word. This year is Bring Your Own Pregens.

Shadow Lodge

Question.

In Rataji's statblock Telekinetic charge is described thusly (emphasis mine):

Rataji's statblock, pg. 50 wrote:
Telekinetic Charge Rataji can telekinetically launch an ally within 45 feet to any other location within 45 feet. This movement provokes no attacks of opportunity. If he causes the ally to land adjacent to an opponent, the ally can spend an immediate action to make a melee attack against that opponent with a +2 bonus on the attack roll.

However, the description of Telekinetic Charge says (emphasis also mine):

TK Charge description wrote:
While moving, your ally is flying just above the ground unless you wish otherwise. Movement from this spell provokes attacks of opportunity as normal, although you can lift your ally over objects or out of enemy reach, as long as your ally remains within this spell’s range.

Which one takes precedence?

Silver Crusade 5/5

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For the sake of simplicity and to avoid confusion, I would just go with what is on the Rataji's sheet. It isn't particularly egregious, and it certainly isn't the first time a pregen has bent the rules a little.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

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Linda Zayas-Palmer wrote:
Michael Eshleman wrote:
Does anybody know if the images for Falth, Thestil Shadowtongue, and/or Eramay have appeared in a pawn box? I wasn't able to find them in the NPC Codex pawns or the PFS pawns.
Those three art pieces come from Inner Sea Races, so they don't have pawns.

Ask and you shall receive?

Dark Archive 5/5 5/55/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Upper Midwest aka Silbeg

Ok, a couple of things I have come up with on prepping this.

If the team encounters Joliryn above ground (which seems likely, as she heads towards them, and will recognize them), what happens if she is attacked by the team?

If she gets the chance in combat, I see her casting invisibility, then using her scroll of dimension door. (unless she can 5' step, draw, and cast).

But then what happens?

She obviously knows they are under attack.

I could see this working in several ways.

1) Triggers an immediate red alert.
2) This is considered just a "especially aggressive approach" and just increase the minimum strikes to two.

I am thinking if she gets away, it is #1, since the complex is now alerted. This is far more than just kicking in doors or kidnapping workers.

If she is defeated at this time, I would, for sure, just go with the minimum of 2 (for this and every phase after the fight), because eventually she will be missed.

Also, in the case she is elimindated, does the red alert party (or the party in area B) just have three guards, or does the evoker now show up (I would do just the guards on first thought, but thought to ask).

Hope this all makes sense, as I am expecting that a good number of tables will have someone that qualifies for her, and any encounter with her will be violent in the end.

Or, maybe I am misreading what she is supposed to do in act 1?

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Jack Brown wrote:
If the team encounters Joliryn above ground (which seems likely, as she heads towards them, and will recognize them), what happens if she is attacked by the team?

Hopefully, this won't happen as they are "on the same side," and the PCs should not want to make a commotion.

Shadow Lodge

KingOfAnything wrote:
Hopefully, this won't happen as they are "on the same side," and the PCs should not want to make a commotion.

The thing is, she automatically recognizes half the party. She knows they're Aspis Agents, and fairly competent ones at that, having her report that to her superiors makes keeping a low profile next to impossible.

Trying to silence her isn't an unreasonable course of action.

Sovereign Court 5/5

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Heads up for people who downloaded the cheat sheets - I noticed one error when prepping today. Mesmerist tricks are a free action to trigger, not an immediate action. I've uploaded a fixed cheat sheet for The Enigma up on pfsprep.

Shadow Lodge 5/5 5/55/5 Venture-Lieutenant, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East aka thistledown

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Nefreet wrote:

I made some pawns.

If you adhere them to a foam sheet with double sided tape they fit nicely into the pawn bases.

I prefer mine, though I'll concede the Aaog-Shagga needs work.

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James Anderson wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

I made some pawns.

If you adhere them to a foam sheet with double sided tape they fit nicely into the pawn bases.

I prefer mine, though I'll concede the Aaog-Shagga needs work.

All right. I give up. I can't beat that. You've won 7-98.

Silver Crusade 4/5 5/55/55/5 RPG Superstar 2013 Top 8

Nefreet wrote:
Linda Zayas-Palmer wrote:
Michael Eshleman wrote:
Does anybody know if the images for Falth, Thestil Shadowtongue, and/or Eramay have appeared in a pawn box? I wasn't able to find them in the NPC Codex pawns or the PFS pawns.
Those three art pieces come from Inner Sea Races, so they don't have pawns.
Ask and you shall receive?

Yes, I saw that. I just prefer to use pawn images when possible. I also needed additional pawns for Cosmic Captive which don't exist and had already printed pawn pages for the figures which exist in pawn sets, so I just ended up making my own.

Shadow Lodge 5/5 5/55/5 Venture-Lieutenant, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East aka thistledown

James McTeague wrote:
James Anderson wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

I made some pawns.

If you adhere them to a foam sheet with double sided tape they fit nicely into the pawn bases.

I prefer mine, though I'll concede the Aaog-Shagga needs work.
All right. I give up. I can't beat that. You've won 7-98.

Thanks. Sadly, I won't be able to keep it up on Cosmic Captive, as non-humanoids are a lot harder to work with.

The Exchange 4/5 5/5 Venture-Agent aka JERRY WAYNE 073

So many details I'd like to fine tune on my Dr. Zaweeb mini but alas the clock has run out before I take off for Gencon. But I think my table will enjoy it just the same and I'll settle for being happy with what I've accomplished rather than be unhappy with what I have't accomplished.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/143223852@N06/S3Z46r

Shadow Lodge 5/5 5/55/5 Venture-Lieutenant, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East aka thistledown

JERRY WAYNE 333 wrote:

So many details I'd like to fine tune on my Dr. Zaweeb mini but alas the clock has run out before I take off for Gencon. But I think my table will enjoy it just the same and I'll settle for being happy with what I've accomplished rather than be unhappy with what I have't accomplished.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/143223852@N06/S3Z46r

Looks good to me! I like the stage he's got too.

Scarab Sages 5/5 Venture-Agent, United Kingdom—England—Thames Valley aka chris manning

very nice jerry

5/5

Wow, Jerry - nice job. When I saw yours I ordered some minis to donate parts to the cause for when I run it at the end of August for our local con. It will be my first mini mod, so I'm not sure how it will turn out. You've set the bar high!

The Exchange 4/5 5/5 Venture-Agent aka JERRY WAYNE 073

GM Lamplighter wrote:
Wow, Jerry - nice job. When I saw yours I ordered some minis to donate parts to the cause for when I run it at the end of August for our local con. It will be my first mini mod, so I'm not sure how it will turn out. You've set the bar high!

You can PM me for what was my "ingredients list", I used bits and bobs from six different Horrorclix figures.

4/5

I'm certainly jealous of you guys who can find the time for such remarkable prep. I've got some PC minis painted and good maps, but I'm going to have to skip my morning slot to read through this monster again.

On a possitive note, I am particularly tickled that John decided to make one of the pregens the previously illegal Constable Cavalier. I think it's a great archetype for PFS and now more people will be aware of it.

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Wel, all that work paid off. My table said they enjoyed it more than Serpent's Rise.

Our run time was about 4 hours, 50 minutes, skipping the optional encounter, with a table of four.

3/5

This runs lllloooonnnnggggggggg. Table started at least ten minutes early. Skipped stuff and still didn't finish for five hours. This is definitely a six plus hour scenario. And Fun!

5/5

Custom map for area B2 now up on pfsprep.com - probably too late for the GenCon folks.

The Exchange 5/5

Anyone else notice that the new policy on assigning this to a PC number BEFORE you even know what the characters are means that anyone actually accepting the offer to run the Prisoner - looses the Chronicle for this game? Along with the PC he was planning to assign this game to?

Judge: "Well, you were running Zurnzal - but he got his head bit off and his brain swallowed. This means you need to get a Resurrection... 'Cause Raise Dead requires the entire body. Don't have the 32PP for it? 10, 910 gp please..."

Player: "What? You asked if I would prefer to continue the adventure as Aaog-Shagga. And I didn't really like Zurnzal...."

Judge: "Yeah, it was your choice. Let's see, what PC did you assign this to? Your Dash 3 PC? Here's your Chronicle for him, marked with your 'condition - brainless' - you'll need to get it removed before you leave the table..."

Do we point this out to the players? Or just spring it on them as a "gotcha"? (That last is sarcasm)

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