If the Hulk tears off your pocket and one of your pants legs while stealing your wallet, you are going to notice it. You are an idiot if you try to call him on it, at least he left you your leg.
Hulk doesn't pick pockets. Picking pockets implies that the victim doesn't know that something was taken. The steal combat maneuver is blatantly taking by force, or in the case of agile maneuvers by just being faster than the victim. Steal is more like purse snatching.
Should someone with a great Slight of Hand be better at the Steal combat maneuver? Probably, but that arguable.
Except when you have Greater steal. Then you don't know hulk just stole your pants until after the battle with the hulk.
And you're utterly forgetting like one of the feats I brought up with this.. Graceful Steal Which lets you use your Steal Combat Manuver bonus in place of your slight of hand.
Its not a matter of building the Hulk and trying to be utterly faithful to the hulk, but more of the big hulking brute type character is capable of theft in and out of combat.
While a the swift slight of hand character is only capable of it outside of combat.
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Graceful Steal (Ultimate Intrigue) now lets you use the Steal Combat Maneuver in place of Slight of Hand, allowing the Hulk use his giant meat fingers to slip into your pockets and pick out the coins in your purse.
If the two are matched feat for feat, In combat The Hulk will still come out on top.
His Full BAB vs her 3/4 BAB = Every four levels she's down one point vs him.
His Size is Large or Huge vs her Medium. That gives him more bonuses.
Even out of combat, His bab matches her ranks in Slight of Hand. His bonus on the feats gives him +4 to performing the check. His size gives him a +2 on the check.
If he has nothing else, she'll barely make it above him in slight of hand, on virtue that she probably has a higher dex bonus than the hulk.
The hulk can easily grab things from people, but that's not his style, he just smashes. Black widow is a spy and a thief, she is more about finesse and stealth, so she can take stuff from you without you even knowing. The point is pretty moot anyway. Stealing in combat is one of the least optimal things you can do in Pathfinder.
I assume the heartache some have comes because this allows an effective stat switch of Strength for Dexterity for what is effectively Sleight of Hand. Since stat switching doesn't bother me if it has good flavor, and a lot of skill/stat relationships are pretty arbitrary to begin with anyway. My preferences, obviously. I am not all that thrilled with the mechanic of CMB and several of the manuevers but having a Grace CMB and Power CMB separation is perhaps more complexity than beneficial.
As always, these views do not necessarily reflect the views of management.
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I assume the heartache some have comes because this allows an effective stat switch of Strength for Dexterity for what is effectively Sleight of Hand. Since stat switching doesn't bother me if it has good flavor, and a lot of skill/stat relationships are pretty arbitrary to begin with anyway. My preferences, obviously. I am not all that thrilled with the mechanic of CMB and several of the manuevers but having a Grace CMB and Power CMB separation is perhaps more complexity than beneficial.
As always, these views do not necessarily reflect the views of management.
It kind of bothers me that agile maneuvers is basically a feat tax to allow dex based characters to be decent with combat maneuvers.
It kind of bothers me that agile maneuvers is basically a feat tax to allow dex based characters to be decent with combat maneuvers.
I've never understood why CMB isn't just "Dex or Strength, depending on whichever is higher" As a martial artist I can say that tripping someone is equally challenging whether you are forcing them down or maneuvering them down.
So is there a reason a big hulking guy who spends several feats and skill points shouldn't be good at stealing?
I still don't understand why it's wrong to want to be good at stealing and to be strong at the same time.
Its not so much that the guy who spends that sort of stuff is wrong, but rather that there really isn't any alternitive for the not big strong characters.
Just a small note. You do realise to have graceful steal requires agile maneuvers and according to the text of agile maneuvers you use dexterity in place of strength. The wording of the feat is You use not you may use so any strength power house character with RAW has just destroyed his ability to do combat maneuvers well by starting the feat chain to get graceful steal.
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Because everyone suspects Black Widow, no one suspects Hulk.
Isn't Hulk best modeled using alchemist -> master chymist? That's not full BAB.You're thinking of Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde. The Hulk would likely be an Abyssal Bloodrager. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry! So Full BAB!
Replace claws with Slams and BAM, you have the Hulk.
Isn't Hulk best modeled using alchemist -> master chymist? That's not full BAB.You're thinking of Dr Jekyl and Mr Hyde. The Hulk would likely be an Abyssal Bloodrager. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry! So Full BAB!
Given that Pathfinder wasn't designed as a superhero game, it's really hard to model the guy who at times has borne the equivalent weight of planets on his back, and had his rage set worlds on fire.
Hyde on the other hand, falls comfortably within the limits.
