How do levels oft the same class woth different archetypes stack ( if at all)

[Glord Funkelhand]

Hiho!

Let's say I want to multiclass with the same base class, but different archetypes. Is this possible at all?
If so, how would that work?

[Chess Pwn]

It's not possible.

[Imbicatus]

You cannot multiclass the same class. Archetypes still count as the base class, so you cannot multiclass them. You can combine archetypes, if they do not modify the same features.

For example, you can have a fighter with the mutation warrior and lore warden archetypes. All changes made by both archetypes apply for the entire life of the character.

[meepothegreat]

So,yes you can? From your description you just said two archetypes of the same base class can and can't be combined.

You can't take two archetypes on the same level. You have to pick every level which means as long as they don't affect the same class abilities when you take the level you're fine.

[cannen144]

No, you can't. The question was "can you multiclass into the same base class, but with a separate archetype?", to which the answer is no. You can, however, add multiple archetypes to the same class. And based on the way archetypes work, they exist at the same levels, strictly speaking. As long as the archetypes you are taking do not change the same class ability, they can both be taken.

Edited for clarity and accuracy.

[Nocte ex Mortis]

No, you can't take multiple archetypes which modify or change in any way the same abilities. When you take an archetype, you permanently alter your base class, all the way through 20th level, it's not a 'pick one here, pick one there,' for anyone but Quinggong Monk.

[Bard of Ages]

Multi-classing and stacking archetypes are two different things.

Multi-classing would consist of being Fighter (Lorewarden) 10/Fighter (Mutation Warrior 10). That is being a tenth level fighter and then a seperate/different tenth level fighter.

Stacking archetypes that do not conflict would mean you are a Fighter (Lorewarden, Mutation Warrior) 20

[Glord Funkelhand]

Thanks!

I was actually talking about multi-classing not stacking.
There goes the simple way to implement my character concept ;)

[Imbicatus]

What was the concept? There may be a way to make it work with multiclassing different classes that fill the same role as one of the archetypes.

[Baval]

meepothegreat wrote:

So,yes you can? From your description you just said two archetypes of the same base class can and can't be combined.

You can't take two archetypes on the same level. You have to pick every level which means as long as they don't affect the same class abilities when you take the level you're fine.

You dont choose archtypes every level. You can choose an archtype late as long as you havent gotten any of the abilities you would get or it would modify, but otherwise you choose your archtypes when you choose the class.

Youre not a Cleric who has levels of Merciful Healer, youre a Merciful Healer Cleric.

Or in Imbicatus example, hes not a Fighter with levels of Mutation Warrior and Lore Warden, hes a Mutation Warrior Lore Warden Fighter. A Mutation Warden if you will.

[Orfamay Quest]

In more detail:

In theory, you're supposed to pick any and all archetypes of your character at creation time, but in practice (supported by the new retraining rules), you can pick any archetype at any point prior to getting the first change from the base type. So, for example, a Mutation Warrior fighter gets the Mutation ability at third level, which means you can decide as you level up to third level that your character has retroactively been a Mutation Warrior all along.

Two archetypes are compatible if they don't change the same things. For example, Armor Master and Archer both change the Bravery feature, so they're not compatible. However, Dragoon and Brawler are compatible, so your character can be (from first level, retroactively if necessary), a Brawler Dragoon Fighter.

[Imbicatus]

Orfamay Quest wrote:

Two archetypes are compatible if they don't change the same things. For example, Armor Master and Archer both change the Bravery feature, so they're not compatible. However, Dragoon and Brawler are compatible, so your character can be (from first level, retroactively if necessary), a Brawler Dragoon Fighter.

Dragoon and Brawler both alter Weapon Training and Armor Training, so they are not compatible.

[Orfamay Quest]

Imbicatus wrote:

Orfamay Quest wrote:

Two archetypes are compatible if they don't change the same things. For example, Armor Master and Archer both change the Bravery feature, so they're not compatible. However, Dragoon and Brawler are compatible, so your character can be (from first level, retroactively if necessary), a Brawler Dragoon Fighter.

Dragoon and Brawler both alter Weapon Training and Armor Training, so they are not compatible.

Fair enough. I just grabbed a random item from someone's "archetype compatibility" list. Looks like they got it wrong, then.

[Starbuck_II]

Nocte ex Mortis wrote:

No, you can't take multiple archetypes which modify or change in any way the same abilities. When you take an archetype, you permanently alter your base class, all the way through 20th level, it's not a 'pick one here, pick one there,' for anyone but Quinggong Monk.

Quigong, Totem Warrior, and Primalist.

Both Primalist and Quigong are pick and choose, but Totem changes nothing.

[Imbicatus]

Starbuck_II wrote:

Nocte ex Mortis wrote:

No, you can't take multiple archetypes which modify or change in any way the same abilities. When you take an archetype, you permanently alter your base class, all the way through 20th level, it's not a 'pick one here, pick one there,' for anyone but Quinggong Monk.

Quigong, Totem Warrior, and Primalist.

Both Primalist and Quigong are pick and choose, but Totem changes nothing.

That's because Totem Warrior literally does nothing. Still, that makes it better than 70% of the archetypes out there.

[Nocte ex Mortis]

Whoops, you're right Starbuck, I completely forgot about Primalist for a while there.

Totem Warrior wasn't something I forgot about, simply because it's utterly redundant.

[Squiggit]

I don't know what you guys are talking about I take totem warrior on all my Barbarians.

[Killer Pixie]

A rogue can't multiclass into a ninja, so it makes sense it couln't multiclass into an archetyped rogue.

[Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan]

meepothegreat wrote:

You can't take two archetypes on the same level. You have to pick every level which means as long as they don't affect the same class abilities when you take the level you're fine.

Ignore the advice above it is completely wrong.

You do not pick archetypes at each level. You pick an archetype and it is effective at every level.

You CAN pick two archetypes as long as they don't modify the same class features at ANY level. Even if the overlap is at a level higher than you have, you CANNOT take both. There can be no overlap between the two archetypes.