At my group I noticed they need an increasing amount of time to heal their wounds. For efficiency reasons they still mainly use Cure Light Wounds, and it needs a lot of rolls to get everyone back to full HP. So I wonder: What do you think about 'take 5' instead of rolling d8 there? Probably just out of combat and starting at caster level 5 (resulting in 10 HP per CLW)?
I think taking the average roll is fine if you are going to be making loads of them. However, only a small percentage of CLW wands have a caster level higher than 1.
It brings it in line with the Infernal Healing spell, so it'd certainly work for speeding up the game twixt encounters.
Changing cure light wounds spells to a set 5+CL would basically have no effect on the game except to speed it up.
Keep in mind that healing magic is based around a 15 point buy where everyone gets max hp at first level, then average for their hit die type. If your group uses a different method, such as max hp for every level, healing magic should be similarly increased.
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Shouldn't you round down to 4 instead of 5, though?
I mean, Take 10 is rounded down from the average of 10.5, making it more efficient to actually roll your die. I think it should be the same for other variants of "Take X".
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I houseruled that you can maximize healing out of combat with a successful Heal check.
Shouldn't you round down to 4 instead of 5, though?
I mean, Take 10 is rounded down from the average of 10.5, making it more efficient to actually roll your die. I think it should be the same for other variants of "Take X".
DCs are usually set with a base of 10+modifiers, so it matches up when you take 10. Wouldn't be an issue with HP.
We've got a houserule in some of my games that when you roll to see how much you heal for cure spells/channels, the minimum you'll get is half. So if you're rolling 2 d8s and you roll a 2 and a 6, you'd increase the 2 to a 4 and get 10 from the dice (plus appropriate bonus).
Ok, so some agreement here, will present it to my group soon.
Shouldn't you round down to 4 instead of 5, though?
I picked rounding up (5) instead of the usual rounding down (4) to encourage everyone to use it. Some players would rather roll than losing ~5% healing, I want them to relax and not slow down the table.
However, only a small percentage of CLW wands have a caster level higher than 1.
You have a point here. It should be tied to character level, not caster level.
Keep in mind that healing magic is based around a 15 point buy where everyone gets max hp at first level, then average for their hit die type. If your group uses a different method, such as max hp for every level, healing magic should be similarly increased.
Hmm, they have a lot of cure spells available, so it's not an issue so far. Improving cure spells in battle might impact balance - right now at level X they heal only half as much as a CR X foe damages them, but the foe has to hit first. Improving these spells only outside of battles relatively devalues healing in combat, leading to more risky playstyles.
I've been GMing with a houserule like this (all healing spells used out of combat take the average number) for the past year and played in games that have had similar rules in the past. It speeds up the post-combat healing math noticeably with no real power creep. No issues so far. :)
I never considered wands efficient. They are expensive and take forever... Then again I'm used to a Paladin with 12 8d6+16 Lay on Hands per day around level 10... (24-66 per shot's pretty darn efficient)
That having been said if they're getting high enough that 1d8+1 is taking too long, maybe they can invest in a Cure Moderate Wand?
Would like to know how you managed that, when the base value for a level 10 Paladin is 4 or 5 d8?
I use average round down as well, no problems and much quicker. It would be much better if some of my players didn't still insist on rolling though :(
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Why not just use the regular Take 20 rules for healing? If you spend 20x the casting time of the healing spell, it heals for the maximum amount. If you've got the time, spend 20 rounds to cast any cure spell with all 8s on the dice.
This achieves a few notable effects:
1) It discourages potentially wasting healing (rolling low) in combat, which is awesome because it also reduces the perception of clerics/oracles as "heal bots" in battle. Instead, they can focus on fighting and using their other great spells.
2) It eliminates some of the accounting between battles. No more rolling handfuls of dice, just figure out how many spells you need to cast and mark them off.
3) It extends the "adventuring day" by making healing more efficient, so long as it's used properly. No more early ends to adventuring days because the cleric rolled crappy on all his healing spells.