When is a monster considered "defeated"?


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My group had a question come up today while fighting an Arboreal Blight. Seelah has power:

Quote:
You may discard the top card of your deck to add 1d6 (□+1) to any check by a character at your location. (□ If that character defeats a monster on that check, he may draw a card.)

Since the Fiendish Tree deals damage after you act, is the card defeated when the check is passed or at some other point, such as when you would banish the tree?

Our question determined whether a character with no cards in hand after the check would need to discard a drawn card or keep it.

Thanks all.


It isn't defeated until you get to the "resolve the encounter" step (which is after "after you act"). That makes the power a bit problematic perhaps.

Grand Lodge

The good news is, that character MAY draw a card, and doesn't have to if he/she knows another point of damage is coming.


Hawkmoon269 wrote:
It isn't defeated until you get to the "resolve the encounter" step (which is after "after you act"). That makes the power a bit problematic perhaps.

This sounds like a positive thing in the case where the character has no cards after "while you act" so the after you act does no damage, the enemy is defeated, and then they the card draw option.


w w 379 wrote:
Hawkmoon269 wrote:
It isn't defeated until you get to the "resolve the encounter" step (which is after "after you act"). That makes the power a bit problematic perhaps.
This sounds like a positive thing in the case where the character has no cards after "while you act" so the after you act does no damage, the enemy is defeated, and then they the card draw option.

I agree.

AYA Damage is dealt before you defeat it. The drawn card would not need to be discarded.


Oh, I totally agree AYA is before "defeated" but "defeat on that check" is where the problem might lie, since no monster is ever really defeated on a particular check. I guess right now I'd take it as "If that character succeeds at a check to defeat a monster and that monster ends up being defeated, they may draw a card." That would mean a 2 check monster would allow a card to be drawn 2 times if you defeated it.

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Wording may need massage, but I seem to recall that the intent was that the character gets to draw a single card only if Seelah's power was used on the last check required to defeat the monster.

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