Stilled and Silent Spells - do they provoke


Rules Questions


So, PC with both STILL and SILENT meta magic feats casts such a spell that does not have Material Components - or also has the Eschew Materials Feat.

Would this provoke an AOO?
If the spell had no visual effect, would anyone even know a spell had been cast? IF the spell was a Charm or Suggestion and the target failed their Save, would any observer know?

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Gamesman02 wrote:

So, PC with both STILL and SILENT meta magic feats casts such a spell that does not have Material Components - or also has the Eschew Materials Feat.

Would this provoke an AOO?
If the spell had no visual effect, would anyone even know a spell had been cast? IF the spell was a Charm or Suggestion and the target failed their Save, would any observer know?

you provoke while casting a spell, when you take on that "far away look" and concentrate on casting rather than defending: your opponent spots the distraction and slashes in...

Casting defensively has you actively share that concentration between casting & maintaining awareness & defence - at the cost of potentially losing the spell.

Still & Silent may conceal what you are doing, but you still concentrate and get distracted - wham!


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1.Yes it will because nothing about those feats says it will not. Provocation still occurs because the caster is lowering his defenses by focusing his attention on casting a spell in the midst of combat.

2. Yes if they make their spellcraft checks. You still have the magic lights/glows/whatever of a caster casting. Nothing about the metamagic feats changes this detection by RAW.

You want to be a sneaky caster? Make sure no one is looking at you when you cast.


Provoke? Yes.
Notice? Yes. It's only implied I. The spellcraft rules, but has been FAQ'd. Rather than get Silent and Still Spell, you can grab Conceal Casting (or something like that) to hide you casting. Mostly for Cha-based casters, though, and observers make checks. If they fail, though, no AoO. It's from Ultimate Intrigue.


Thanks everyone

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