How does one get into 3rd party publishing


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First off apologies if this shouldn't go in this subforum.

My name is Tobias Beis and I am a learned print media designer living in Germany, currently suffering from a lack of open positions in my chosen professions in my area. So I was considering putting my professional skills to use with my passion for roleplaying games.

I have yet to have professional experience designing rules, I have written homebrew rules and setting details for both Pathfinder and 5th Edition before, as well as compiled them in illustrated and professionally laid out pdf documents.

For anyone interested This is one such document I made in compliance with the Pathfinder fan license (Google Docs link)
I also have another document with monsters I converted from Pathfinder to 5th edition, which I don't want to post publicly since the art assets used would probably not comply with the open content license of either system. I simply made it for private use.

I also have various other homebrew rules work in progress which I currently plan to eventually publish under the PFRPG fan license or the DM's guild.

Finally I also do Illustration (Deviantart link) in both digital and traditional media.

The difficulty of my situation is that I am not aware of any 3rd party publishers in Germany so a work relationship would probably only be possible over long distance.

So I was wondering if anyone had some advice on how to get into 3rd party publishing, either independently, as my own publisher, freelance or employed with another publisher.

Also if I piqued somebody's interest I'm willing to privately share more of my work, such as the aforementioned monster conversion and my work in progress rules.


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HERE is a post that should give you some information to help get you started.

As it says in the post linked - ask Liz Courts anything to do with publishing Pathfinder compatible products.


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You might want to watch my Transparency Agenda youtube video channel. I cover a lot of topics of being a 3PP, what to expect and the difficulties. Hope this helps.

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Tobias, I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have—please also check my profile page for a lot of links to relevant discussions. :)

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I'd also mention that being in a different country really doesn't pose much of a problem these days.

As a freelance writer, designer, and graphic artist, I've worked with 3 PP's in the both the US and abroad.

As a 3PP Art Director, I routinely work with artists and cartographers all over the world and it literally makes no difference where they are located


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Yep, at Flying Pincushion Games, one of our contributors is from Toronto, Canada, another, Australia, and yet another, California. By the power of the interwebz, we are able to combine our skills ;)

And Liz is truly a great source, she knows all the stuffs you need to learn :)

Best of luck if you decide to break into the industry though Threeshades! The amount of self satisfaction I get from publishing is honestly BETTER than the cash (which is nice and all....)

Jeff Harris
Flying Pincushion Games

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If you're heading to PaizoCon, I very much recommend any third-party publisher go to this seminar. We'll be covering a lot of the nitty-gritty stuff about the Pathfinder Compatibility License from me, small business accounting tips from Ashley, and veteran tips from Owen.


Actually it looks more like the OP is looking not for publishing guidelines, but a job.

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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Actually it looks more like the OP is looking not for publishing guidelines, but a job.

It would behoove anybody wanting to produce anything Pathfinder Compatible to understand the context in which they are creating, and what they can and cannot do.


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Liz; can someone from Paizo videotape this seminar (and the other seminars) and put them up on YouTube? I won't be making it this year but last years seminars were amazing.


Thanks everyone for the responses so far, I'm looking into the links and everything provided so far.

Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Actually it looks more like the OP is looking not for publishing guidelines, but a job.

That is not wrong.Mostly I just want to be able to spend time doing what I love, and while I don't expect to be able to make a living from tis alone, it would certainly be a better feeling than wasting away on a day job, I only have because I need one.

If anyone already doing publishing is willing to pick me up I will certainly not pass up the opportunity.

Liz Courts wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Actually it looks more like the OP is looking not for publishing guidelines, but a job.
It would behoove anybody wanting to produce anything Pathfinder Compatible to understand the context in which they are creating, and what they can and cannot do.

That is certainly true and it's definitely part of what I need to understand.


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a good place to start if you are looking for to pitch

Sovereign Court

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if it hasn't already been mentioned, HERE is another great spot. Its the Third Party Publishers Open Call Forum

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Malikjoker wrote:
if it hasn't already been mentioned, HERE is another great spot. Its the Third Party Publishers Open Call Forum

This is actually how I got into the 3p business myself. I answered a request and now I have a pretty nice working relationship with a few people in the industry (and 3 things in the top downloads this week), so it's definitely a great place to check for trying to break into things.

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