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NUMERIA!!!

I love Numeria, but after Iron Gods I think it's covered for awhile :)

Hm, wouldn't mind a path going through it for just a segment or two, thou'....

I disagree. I think there's tons of material for AT LEAST one, probably two more adventure paths.

I for one would love to know more. :-)

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I'm guessing it's Qadira related. Maybe involving the route through Casmaron or Rovagug.

The fact that the "Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Qadira" is out in december 2016 and the new AP begins in february 2017 makes it a strong possibility.;-)


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Yeah more Numeria is something i could really settle for, even though TianXia would be heavily preferred. perhaps mix Numeria and Tian Xia somehow?

Anyone asking for more traditional stuff can seriously get off my lawn though!
In the first place, what do you even understand to be more traditional?
Then, like it was said before, the latest APs are all really, really super traditional and oldschool. If you can´t get over the fact there´s no dragon, no knighton a horse and no princess, that´s really too bad.
Mummys Mask is really cool and has lots of super traditional stuff and dungeons etc. Giantslayer and Hells Rebells are the same, whereas HR even includes pretty cool intrigue stuff.

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I would be totally for a Tian Xia AP.
Jade Regent only scratched the surface.
Also parts 1 & 4 of it are sold out, of part 6 less than 100 remain and of part 5 less than 500 remain.

But with "Planes of Power" coming out in august & "The First World" in november, a plane-hopping AP is also a possibility.


Seeing some tweeting about Nirmathas and hobgoblins. But I'm lost on what that's about. Supposedly the next AP. "Iron Fang Invasion."


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Seeing some tweeting about Nirmathas and hobgoblins. But I'm lost on what that's about.

I think Molthune has some units of monstrous troops... but that's just speculation on my part, without having even seen the relevant tweets.


I butcher-edited the mess out of that post. Ugh. sorrylol. To try again:

Someone on Twitter--I just peeked in at the #paizocon hashtag--tweeted that Crystal Frasier announced the new AP to be Iron Fang Invasion, involving hobgoblins. And indeed Molthune. Some other various details there.

For whatever tweets are worth, which may not be much, of course. I thought it was being announced later this evening.

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I was just thinking we might see the Molthune/Nirmathas conflict. That's exciting.

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That brings a question, then: Whose side are the PCs on? Given the strong preference for Chaotic Good among the devs and such, I assume the AP will lean more towards Nirmathas, Molthune possibly aiding and abetting the hobgoblins as oppressors are wont to do. That said, I've been waiting for this area to receive more attention for a long time!

Also...darn. I may have to adjust my hypothetical Second Darkness character (half-elf who joined Molthune's army to spite his elven daddy and whose unit got massacred Teutoberg-Wald-style, forcing him to run away and become a shell-shocked mercenary) to play in this AP instead...

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As the person responsible for some of those tweets - new AP was announced at the AP q&a . It is the Iron Fang Invasion, where some Hobgoblins use an artefact to invade along the Nirmathi-Molthune Border to take advantage of the trouble there. I'll not spoil that much here, but it won't resolve the border issues, in fact it will probably make things worse

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That brings a question, then: Whose side are the PCs on? Given the strong preference for Chaotic Good among the devs and such, I assume the AP will lean more towards Nirmathas, Molthune possibly aiding and abetting the hobgoblins as oppressors are wont to do. That said, I've been waiting for this area to receive more attention for a long time!

Also...darn. I may have to adjust my hypothetical Second Darkness character (half-elf who joined Molthune's army to spite his elven daddy and whose unit got massacred Teutoberg-Wald-style, forcing him to run away and become a shell-shocked mercenary) to play in this AP instead...

from the summary, the hobgoblins are more Kill All Humans. The AP will start in Nirmathas, but it sounds like your character would work really well- it'll be a case of being thrown together in chaos, so a former Molthuni solider seems likely to generate a great dynamic


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I wonder if this is a nod to Red Hand of Doom. That mega adventure was quite well received and I remember it fondly when my group did it.

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Back to (nearby) the setting of the very first PFRPG module. Classic fantasy; hobgoblin invasion.

Good.

I'm totally fine with all of this.


Not too excited about this one. Hopefully the one after that will be a "experimental" AP.


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This looks like fun...Hobgoblins are one of my favorite races, and we get underdark and planar stuff too. Will have to keep my subscription after Strange Aeons for this.


*sighs and rubs eyes* Looks like I'm going to be unsubbing for at least a full year. We'll see if I care to re-up at that point.


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Sounds interesting. Also, 3 APs next year! And I guess 4 APs per year after that? Two each for Pathfinder and Starfinder?


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^Wait . . . Starfinder?

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STAR FINDER

My excitement can not be contained!


Wow, did not see that coming.

I'm guessing their more experimental APs will go there?

Interesting that it's part of the same universe though.

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No what I was hoping for, but since I really like Nirmathas/Molthune things, this sounds cool. And I'm a sucker for classic fantasy. And we've had multiple adventures starting from there in ourg game group so its' familiar setting for part of our players.

That Starfinder though? WOW.


Not happy about Starfinder, I want info on the planets for the current timeline. Also no playtest.


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It sounds like there will be plenty of info usuable for distant worlds though in Starfinder

Would love a playtest, but I get a feeling they have increasingly found playtest data less usable over time?

Also this probably increases the possibility for a bestiary in 2017, although one probably more themed on science fiction than past volumes.


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The Starfinder thing sounds interesting.
The new AP though...all the grognards must be super happy.

Ironfang Invasion
The Pcs are between Nirmthas and Molthune. Hobgoblins take over. Throwback to classic monsters like miniature and medusas. Developed by Crystal Frasier. The PCs are all “Robin hoods.” Very Kind to animal companions and Druids.

Totally not getting the impression that the Pathfinder trademark is kinda split to make the grognards happy with the classic game and appeace the more progressive people with Starfinder :D
Might be a clever move, has to be seen.
Seems they want to offer chances to key community members to playtest, whoever is supossed to be that.

I do hope the new AP makes quite some things better and will be a bit more interesting in story again, not just a repetition of old tropes. Giantslayer was nice to play through, but certainly nothing too spectacular there.

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Sounds like fun! I dig me some military themed games.


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Would love a playtest, but I get a feeling they have increasingly found playtest data less usable over time?

My guess is that they've already had quite a lot of playtesting over the years with the current ruleset and add-ons that are going to be the basis for Starfinder.


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^Wait . . . Starfinder?

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Kinda hoping IronFang Invasion will have rooms for monstrous races/templates for PC.

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Giantslayer v2, or "since we've announced a sci-fantasy RPG, and we all know how that goes down with the traditionalists, let's make a super safe AP to go with it".

Let's hope at least it will be more fun that GS was.


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Reminds me of The Hobbit.

Certainly not as exciting as Starfinder. But definitely not as bland as Giantslayer.


Oooh! I find this exciting! I've always thought Hobgoblins are very much underrepresented and underestimated. Organized evil is very evil indeed. I hope the LE Hobgoblins are portrayed as totally different from CE Orcs though. I tend to think of Hobgoblins to Orcs as Nazis to Huns.

It sounds like the party will be from Fangwood perhaps? I'm hoping we'll get a little Isger or Nidal in the AP as well.


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BTW- 'Hob' means iron in Goblin.

OK, made that up, but that's how I've always thought of Hobgoblins: masters of iron and warfare. A younger and sadly less fecund race than their smaller kin that has only been held back by the rise of the more God-favored humans.


Anyone got the titles of the adventures yet?


Sounds great!

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UnArcaneElection wrote:

^Wait . . . Starfinder?

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Kinda hoping IronFang Invasion will have rooms for monstrous races/templates for PC.

The announcements about Horror Adventures included something akin to monster templates for PCs.

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In the later books of Ironfang Invasion

Spoiler:
PCs apparently go to the elemental plane of Earth. So that might be less traditional and more interesting.

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voodoo chili wrote:

BTW- 'Hob' means iron in Goblin.

OK, made that up, but that's how I've always thought of Hobgoblins:

In Old English Hob can be redundant for Goblin but it also meant infernal spirit or devil.

So - Devil Goblins.

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I'm confused by some people are rather snooty of classic adventures .-. I mean, yeah, they don't interest me, but I'm not going to cancel this new shiny subscription for that(unless I can't afford it by then D:)

I mean seriously, its not like lovecraftian pathfinder is "classic" D&D even if Call of Cthulhu is classic rpg xD Plus classic adventures make less normal ones even more impressive in comparison, so they kinda need to exist for that. Besides, its not like they have done much with hobgoblins yet.

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Sorry to say I will be cancelling my sub for Ironfang Invasion, just like I did for Giantslayer. I've been in the hobby for too long to need another "classic" type adventure. All the best to those who are on board for it though.


Rescuing a princess from a dragon is classic trope that sadly I have never seen. Maybe the princess is half-fey and the dragon is actually protecting her by order of her powerful fey mother. Maybe she is a variant half-dragon that can change into a completely human version of herself and the dragon is her father.

Another idea would be you have track down a lost girl in the forest. So thinking this would be a one shot adventure turns out the girl ended up in the first world and by the end of the AP depending on the choices you make weather you get to rescue her or end up fighting her as some kind half-fey kineticist with powers over wood, earth, air, and water.


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Ironfang Invasion

The Pcs are between Nirmathas and Molthune. Hobgoblins take over. Throwback to classic monsters like miniature and medusas. Developed by Crystal Frasier. The PCs are all “Robin hoods.” Very Kind to animal companions and Druids.

Okay, I love this... in large part because I really like the area it will be held in. Nirmathas and Molthune were at war, and now both need rescuing? I love it; A game master and group could really change the face of their campaign with that.

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A war against an army of Hobgoblins should have been set in Lingshen.

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Rescuing a dragon from a princess is classic trope that sadly I have never seen.

FTFY,


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Lord Fyre wrote:
A war against an army of Hobgoblins should have been set in Lingshen.

Yup that´s something i was thinking too.


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Nirmathis and Molthune have more name recognition.

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One of my fave old adventures was Red Hand of Doom - if Ironfang has the same feel I'll be very happy :)

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200$ for Darklands-themed AP!

Well,

Paizo blog wrote:
The heroes' quest will take them deep into the fey-haunted Fangwood Forest, to the craggy bluffs of western Nirmathas, and delve deep into the earth to explore the Darklands.

That's about 50$


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Wait, a title with alliteration that isn't all S's? What madness is this?

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Hayato Ken wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
A war against an army of Hobgoblins should have been set in Lingshen.
Yup that´s something i was thinking too.

It has the advantage of not being a "classic" AP because of the setting and style ... while still being a "classic" story (just not in a European sense).

captain yesterday wrote:
Nirmathis and Molthune have more name recognition.

But, that's the problem. Do we need "more of the same"?


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Lord Fyre wrote:
Hayato Ken wrote:
Lord Fyre wrote:
A war against an army of Hobgoblins should have been set in Lingshen.
Yup that´s something i was thinking too.

It has the advantage of not being a "classic" AP because of the setting and style ... while still being a "classic" story (just not in a European sense).

captain yesterday wrote:
Nirmathis and Molthune have more name recognition.

But, that's the problem. Do we need "more of the same"?

The Tian Xia stuff just doesn't sell as well. I'm sure Paizo want to cater to all tastes, but the commercial reality has to count. Dragon Empires and similar releases had many people clamoring for more because there is a passionate group of players looking for Eastern themed adventures.

However, buying one copy is only buying one copy - regardless of how enthusiastically you do so.


So, it's 'conventional' but it hits both Fey and Darklands? That sounds promising to me, there's some good hooks there.

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The Tian Xia stuff just doesn't sell as well. I'm sure Paizo want to cater to all tastes, but the commercial reality has to count. Dragon Empires and similar releases had many people clamoring for more because there is a passionate group of players looking for Eastern themed adventures.

However, buying one copy is only buying one copy - regardless of how enthusiastically you do so.

Yea, and unfortunately Jade Regent doesn't spend enough time there to fully scratch the itch!

Hm, though ironically the easiest way to get more in would probably to have another path bop in for just one part to ride the popularity of the path...

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