Slipslinger Style and proficiencies in Slings


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Does Slipslinger style gice you proficiencies in other slings, specifically the double sling ? I assume so, since you get proficiencies via class abilities or feats, and therfore it should count, but I am not sure about the "require" in the style feat description.


No, Slipslinger Style does not grant you proficiency in anything at all.

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Slipslinger Style (Combat, Style)

You can fire all manner of slings and sling-like weapons.
Prerequisites: Weapon Focus (sling) or weapon training
(thrown) class feature, warslinger racial traitARG.
Benefit: You gain a +1 bonus on damage rolls made with
all types of slings, and don’t provoke attacks of opportunity
when reloading a sling. In addition, you treat all ranged
and thrown weapons that have “sling” in their name as if
they were slings for all feats and class abilities that
require such weapons, as well as the warslinger
racial trait.

It requires weapon focus(sling) which requires proficiency.

It gives a +1 damage bonus to attack roll made with all slings and you don't provoke while reloading any type of sling. The "in addition" means that you treat things like the half-ling sling staff as a sling for the purposes of things like Sling Flail or Halfling Slinger. Normally you couldn't benefit from those feats while using a Slingstaff because it's not a sling. The "in addition" changes that. Including warslinger racial trait, which also doesn't apply to the Halfling slingstaff normally.

Proficiency in sling doesn't require a sling, so no, you don't get backwards free proficiency in all slings.


What does "require" mean exactly ? Is that simply a synonyme for "is prerequisite" then ?

Liberty's Edge

It is more than just things which officially list slings as pre-requisites. Consider the warslinger racial trait which is specifically called out;

"Warslinger: Halflings are experts at the use of the sling. Halflings with this racial trait can reload a sling as a free action. Reloading a sling still requires two hands and provokes attacks of opportunity. This racial trait replaces sure-footed."

No actual "pre-requisite", but the effect only applies to "slings". Without Slipslinger style that means JUST the "sling" weapon. With Slipslinger style it includes double-slings, sling staffs, and RAW even the sling-spear.


Raylol wrote:

What does "require" mean exactly ? Is that simply a synonyme for "is prerequisite" then ?

Anything that requires you use a sling for the option to function normally. This will may occur on things that require a sling as a prerequisite, but many things will not have in their prerequisite "sling".

Look at Halfling Slinger as an example:

Quote:

Halfling Slinger (Combat)

You have honed your racial talent for slingcraft.

Prerequisites: Halfling.

Benefit: You gain a +1 racial bonus on attack rolls made using a sling.

It doesn't have a prereq associated with slings, but requires you use a sling to get a +1 bonus on attack rolls. With Slingslinger Style, any weapon with "sling" in the name should benefit.

Arc Slinger however:

Quote:


You can twirl your sling in a way that maximizes its effectiveness.

Prerequisites: Point-Blank Shot, proficient with sling or half ling sling staff.

Benefit: When using a sling or sling staff, you reduce your penalty on ranged attack rolls due to range by 2. Point-Blank Shot’s damage bonus applies within the first normal range increment of your sling (50 feet) or sling staff (80 feet).

Arc Slinger states it requires proficiency as a prerequisite, but also requires you use a sling or sling staff to reduce penalty on ranged attack rolls and benefit from PBS at greater distances. With Slingslinger Style this will again apply to all weapons with "sling" in the name.


Proficiency in a weapon is actually worded pretty similiarly to arc slinger. It "requires" you to use a sling (or any other weapon you have proficiency with) and if you do that, you dont get the usualy non-proficiency malis.

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Benefit: You make attack rolls with the selected weapon normally (without the non-proficient penalty).

Normal: When using a weapon with which you are not proficient, you take a –4 penalty on attack rolls.

Noote the same "When using X" phrasing.


Simple Weapon Proficiency feat, Martial Weapon Proficiency feat, and Exotic Weapon Proficiency feat don't call out slings specifically. It applies to all weapons equally, you take the feat to gain proficiency. But the feat doesn't "require" a sling to gain the benefit.

I understand that the whole thing of vague to you, but I guess I simply don't know how to explain it to you.

Here is a metric that should at least always tell you positively if it would work but wont necessarily tell you for sure that something doesn't qualify. If the benefit section of the feat specifically mentions the word "sling" in its text, you can instead apply that benefit to any weapons with the word "sling" in its name.


Claxon: So do you think that your Weapon Focus (sling) doesn't count for your other 'sling' weapons as that too doesn't call out the sling specifically? To me, Weapon Focus (sling) sounds like a feat that requires a sling to get it's benefits.


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graystone wrote:
Claxon: SO do you think that your Weapon Focus (sling) doesn't count for your other 'sling' weapons as that too doesn't call out the sling specifically? To me, Weapon Focus (sling) sounds like a feat that requires a sling to get it's benefits.

I think the way the feat is written it doesn't though it probably should.

But I don't think that it was made to give you free proficiency in all types of slings.

Overall, the wording of this feat is cumbersome and could use clarification.

Which sounds like it might be a good candidate for FAQ!
If we can get enough people to hit the button


Claxon wrote:
graystone wrote:
Claxon: SO do you think that your Weapon Focus (sling) doesn't count for your other 'sling' weapons as that too doesn't call out the sling specifically? To me, Weapon Focus (sling) sounds like a feat that requires a sling to get it's benefits.

I think the way the feat is written it doesn't though it probably should.

But I don't think that it was made to give you free proficiency in all types of slings.

Overall, the wording of this feat is cumbersome and could use clarification.

Which sounds like it might be a good candidate for FAQ!
If we can get enough people to hit the button

Okie dokie, I can see what you're thinking. I'm not 100% sure myself as I can agree that "the wording of this feat is cumbersome and could use clarification."

For me, I think the main reason against "free proficiency in all types of slings" is that the Simple Weapon Proficiency feat doesn't require a weapons be picked instead every simple weapon is gained. As such, you aren't required to use any one weapon to get the benefit of the feat. To me, that'd disqualify it as feat that requires a sling.

EDIT: Sorry for the "SO" as it was unintentional.

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