[PFS] Familiars and silver spindle ioun stone


Rules Questions


Just doing a quick double check before i spend some gold...
My familiar can effectively use the silver spindle ioun stone, right?

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What does a Silver Spindle do?

That said in General this is the rule for Animal Companions and Familiars with Ioun Stones.

An animal or familiar has to have an intelligence of 3+ to activate an ioun stone. If the animal or familiar has less than a 3 intelligence, they may not activate an ioun stone.

Now on if the power of the ioun stone works on the familiar depends on what it does. What does it do?


it lets you use a 1st level spell as a spell like ability 3 times a day, with the only requirement being a charisma of 11
here is the link

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yeah, I don't have the resources on hand to answer the rules questions.

What would be the familiars Character Level since that is required to figure out caster level?


I was kind of just assuming that it is the same as the number of hit dice (which should be equal to the master's level) but if not then it couldnt be less than one, right?

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Renarin Kholin wrote:
I was kind of just assuming that it is the same as the number of hit dice (which should be equal to the master's level) but if not then it couldnt be less than one, right?

familiars HPs, go up with your level not their Hit die. Since Familiars don't have character levels that might mean they can not use this ioun stone. But that is something better asked for in the rules forum.

The Exchange

Steven Lau wrote:
Renarin Kholin wrote:
I was kind of just assuming that it is the same as the number of hit dice (which should be equal to the master's level) but if not then it couldnt be less than one, right?
familiars HPs, go up with your level not their Hit die. Since Familiars don't have character levels that might mean they can not use this ioun stone. But that is something better asked for in the rules forum.
Familiar Basics (CRB) wrote:


Hit Dice: For the purpose of effects related to number of Hit Dice, use the master's character level or the familiar's normal HD total, whichever is higher.

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Cool then your familiars HD which does not go up with your level would be it's caster level. Assuming it has a Chr of 11 it should be good. What is the Familiar?


Familiars aren't supposed to be able to activate anything but wands. they can use ioun stones but they have to be permanant effects.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Familiars aren't supposed to be able to activate anything but wands. they can use ioun stones but they have to be permanant effects.

It does say that in the beginning of the FAQ, but they can activate Ioun Stones as pointed out in the FAQ above. The Ioun Stone once activated becomes permanent until removed.


Steven Lau wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Familiars aren't supposed to be able to activate anything but wands. they can use ioun stones but they have to be permanant effects.

It does say that in the beginning of the FAQ, but they can activate Ioun Stones as pointed out in the FAQ above. The Ioun Stone once activated becomes permanent until removed.

At which point you would be using a spell like ability, not activating the rock? Ok, that seems legit.

pathfinders psuedo hitdice give me headaches...

Scarab Sages

BigNorseWolf wrote:
Steven Lau wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Familiars aren't supposed to be able to activate anything but wands. they can use ioun stones but they have to be permanant effects.

It does say that in the beginning of the FAQ, but they can activate Ioun Stones as pointed out in the FAQ above. The Ioun Stone once activated becomes permanent until removed.

At which point you would be using a spell like ability, not activating the rock? Ok, that seems legit.

pathfinders psuedo hitdice give me headaches...

Yup. The ioun stone's constant effect is to provide the wearer with an SLA. Familiars and ACs can activate their SLAs. Thus, this is legal.

Yes, Pathfinder does enjoy using 'effective' numbers. It really messes with things, as it is not very intuitive.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Steven Lau wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Familiars aren't supposed to be able to activate anything but wands. they can use ioun stones but they have to be permanant effects.

It does say that in the beginning of the FAQ, but they can activate Ioun Stones as pointed out in the FAQ above. The Ioun Stone once activated becomes permanent until removed.

At which point you would be using a spell like ability, not activating the rock? Ok, that seems legit.

Hey I did not say it was not weird, just saying it fits within all the rules. Also how many familiars have a Chr of 11? That said I was wrong about HD I think..

Hit Dice: For the purpose of effects related to number of Hit Dice, use the master’s character level or the familiar’s normal HD total, whichever is higher.

Scarab Sages

Steven Lau wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Steven Lau wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Familiars aren't supposed to be able to activate anything but wands. they can use ioun stones but they have to be permanant effects.

It does say that in the beginning of the FAQ, but they can activate Ioun Stones as pointed out in the FAQ above. The Ioun Stone once activated becomes permanent until removed.

At which point you would be using a spell like ability, not activating the rock? Ok, that seems legit.

Hey I did not say it was not weird, just saying it fits within all the rules. Also how many familiars have a Chr of 11? That said I was wrong about HD I think..

Hit Dice: For the purpose of effects related to number of Hit Dice, use the master’s character level or the familiar’s normal HD total, whichever is higher.

Yes, this why, except for archetypes, Int and Natural armor, even a level 1 familiar levels up with you.

Grand Lodge

A quick look at a few familiars, and the only one I could find with the requisite Cha was the peacock.


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Just trying to envision my cat with a whirling sparkly stone orbiting around them... it would be a permanent confusion effect, I think...

Scarab Sages

I'm guessing it's an improved familiar. Most of the improved familiars that are allowed to use wands in PFS have higher than an 11 CHA (Brownie, Lyrakien Azata, Quasit, Faerie Dragon, and others)


sorry for the late response, been busy over the weekend...
for those curious, it is a chicken familiar from the familiar folio. It has a charisma of 13


That... is one charming motherf.... chicken!

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