paizo.com Recent Posts in so this is about alter selfpaizo.com Recent Posts in so this is about alter self2016-04-10T22:51:26Z2016-04-10T22:51:26ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfSapphire Onion (alias of ZomB)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#232016-05-10T10:58:46Z2016-05-08T10:54:13Z<p>In the magic section under transmutation, polymorph: "other spells that change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell"</p>In the magic section under transmutation, polymorph: "other spells that change your size have no effect on you while you are under the effects of a polymorph spell"Sapphire Onion (alias of ZomB)2016-05-08T10:54:13ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfStephen Sheahan (RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#222016-05-07T00:35:50Z2016-05-07T00:35:50Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">zainale wrote:</div><blockquote> does a reach weapon also work with a persons natural reach? </blockquote><p>Natural reach or reach due to natural size? - the sewer troll only gets the reach with claws, not melee weapons.
<p>A size large creature with 10 foot reach, using a large size reach weapon does threaten from 10 to 20 feet from their square but the sewer troll is size M and doesn't get reach except with their claws.</p>
<p>I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to have the alter self and an enlarge person stack in the way you are implying either.</p>zainale wrote:does a reach weapon also work with a persons natural reach?
Natural reach or reach due to natural size? - the sewer troll only gets the reach with claws, not melee weapons. A size large creature with 10 foot reach, using a large size reach weapon does threaten from 10 to 20 feet from their square but the sewer troll is size M and doesn't get reach except with their claws.
I'm not sure if it would be appropriate to have the alter self and an enlarge person stack in the way you...Stephen Sheahan (RPG Superstar 2010 Top 32)2016-05-07T00:35:50ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfzainalehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#212016-04-13T05:35:05Z2016-04-13T05:35:05Z<p>does a reach weapon also work with a persons natural reach?</p>does a reach weapon also work with a persons natural reach?zainale2016-04-13T05:35:05ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfzainalehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#202016-04-13T05:09:08Z2016-04-13T05:09:08Z<p>also if a sewer troll was enlarged to large would his reach then be doubled as well?</p>also if a sewer troll was enlarged to large would his reach then be doubled as well?zainale2016-04-13T05:09:08ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfzainalehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#192016-04-13T01:29:13Z2016-04-13T01:17:36Z<p>combine the sewer troll's 10 foot reach claws with an alchemists long arms spell to have a 15 ft reach of effect yes? as in AoO?</p>combine the sewer troll's 10 foot reach claws with an alchemists long arms spell to have a 15 ft reach of effect yes? as in AoO?zainale2016-04-13T01:17:36ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfAscalaphushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#182016-04-13T01:29:04Z2016-04-12T07:58:14Z<p>Sadly, sewer trolls aren't available in PFS; they're not from one of the books listing polymorph options (bestiaries only). In a home game they're golden. Well, a sickly green shade of golden.</p>Sadly, sewer trolls aren't available in PFS; they're not from one of the books listing polymorph options (bestiaries only). In a home game they're golden. Well, a sickly green shade of golden.Ascalaphus2016-04-12T07:58:14ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfAvoronhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#172016-04-12T02:43:24Z2016-04-12T01:44:34Z<p>The general consensus is that the reach of a natural weapon comes automatically with the natural weapon itself. So as soon as you can cast Alter Self, you can turn into a sewer troll for 10 foot claws.</p>The general consensus is that the reach of a natural weapon comes automatically with the natural weapon itself. So as soon as you can cast Alter Self, you can turn into a sewer troll for 10 foot claws.Avoron2016-04-12T01:44:34ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfzainalehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#162016-04-12T01:34:23Z2016-04-12T01:34:23Z<p>what lvl of the spell would you have to be to get the reach claw attack?</p>what lvl of the spell would you have to be to get the reach claw attack?zainale2016-04-12T01:34:23ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfScott Wilhelmhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#152016-04-11T21:58:14Z2016-04-11T20:24:44Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">GinoA wrote:</div><blockquote><p> re: Sewer Troll
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Being dazzled in full-light is a bit of a drawback though. </blockquote><p>Having Scent just may more than make up for that, though. Let's say you take Blind Fighting feats, too, then make Smoke...
<p>That being said, perhaps it is better if pick some other form to Alter you Self into when you do so in bright ligth, and save Sewer Troll for when you are in the dark.</p>GinoA wrote:re: Sewer Troll
Being dazzled in full-light is a bit of a drawback though.
Having Scent just may more than make up for that, though. Let's say you take Blind Fighting feats, too, then make Smoke... That being said, perhaps it is better if pick some other form to Alter you Self into when you do so in bright ligth, and save Sewer Troll for when you are in the dark.Scott Wilhelm2016-04-11T20:24:44ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfAvoronhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#142016-04-11T21:58:08Z2016-04-11T20:13:15Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Imbicatus wrote:</div><blockquote> Alter Self is one of the most versatile utility spells in the game, which is why I love Urban Druids, who can use it at-will at 6th level. </blockquote><p>Or you could buy a <a href="http://www.archivesofnethys.com/MagicWondrousDisplay.aspx?FinalName=Greater%20Hat%20of%20Disguise" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">12,000 gp magic item</a> for the same ability.Imbicatus wrote:Alter Self is one of the most versatile utility spells in the game, which is why I love Urban Druids, who can use it at-will at 6th level.
Or you could buy a 12,000 gp magic item for the same ability.Avoron2016-04-11T20:13:15ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfSaethorihttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#132016-04-12T12:08:31Z2016-04-11T18:10:24Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">GinoA wrote:</div><blockquote><p> re: Sewer Troll
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Being dazzled in full-light is a bit of a drawback though. </blockquote><p>Light Sensitivity is not listed as one of the abilities you gain via Alter Self. A GM might rule differently, but as listed you're completely in the clear when it comes to daylight.
<p>Same thing goes for other creatures with Light Sensitivity/Blindness/etc. They're technically still abilities, even if ones with only negative effects.</p>GinoA wrote:re: Sewer Troll
Being dazzled in full-light is a bit of a drawback though.
Light Sensitivity is not listed as one of the abilities you gain via Alter Self. A GM might rule differently, but as listed you're completely in the clear when it comes to daylight. Same thing goes for other creatures with Light Sensitivity/Blindness/etc. They're technically still abilities, even if ones with only negative effects.Saethori2016-04-11T18:10:24ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfGinoAhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#122016-04-11T17:34:28Z2016-04-11T17:34:28Z<p>re: Sewer Troll
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Being dazzled in full-light is a bit of a drawback though.</p>re: Sewer Troll
Being dazzled in full-light is a bit of a drawback though.GinoA2016-04-11T17:34:28ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfImbicatushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#112016-04-11T21:57:50Z2016-04-11T16:55:02Z<p>Alter Self is one of the most versatile utility spells in the game, which is why I love Urban Druids, who can use it at-will at 6th level.</p>Alter Self is one of the most versatile utility spells in the game, which is why I love Urban Druids, who can use it at-will at 6th level.Imbicatus2016-04-11T16:55:02ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfTacticslionhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#102016-04-11T11:42:56Z2016-04-11T11:42:56Z<p>So... sewer troll under a <i>disguise self</i> effect? ;)</p>So... sewer troll under a disguise self effect? ;)Tacticslion2016-04-11T11:42:56ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfAvoronhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#92016-04-11T11:41:42Z2016-04-11T07:25:06Z<p><a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/humanoids/giants/troll/troll-sewer" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Sewer Troll</a> is probably your best bet mechanically. Darkvision, low-light vision, scent, a bite attack, and two claw attacks with a 10 foot reach. Everything you could possibly want, unless you're planning on going for a swim. Or interacting with people in a civilized society. Or looking pretty.</p>
<p>But other than that, you're good to go.</p>Sewer Troll is probably your best bet mechanically. Darkvision, low-light vision, scent, a bite attack, and two claw attacks with a 10 foot reach. Everything you could possibly want, unless you're planning on going for a swim. Or interacting with people in a civilized society. Or looking pretty.
But other than that, you're good to go.Avoron2016-04-11T07:25:06ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfzainalehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#82016-04-11T06:57:11Z2016-04-11T06:57:11Z<p>i want to go bigger.</p>i want to go bigger.zainale2016-04-11T06:57:11ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter self_Ozy_https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#72016-04-11T11:41:39Z2016-04-11T04:02:33Z<p>Yup, and if you're looking for a small humanoid with both, you can use the Svirfneblin.</p>Yup, and if you're looking for a small humanoid with both, you can use the Svirfneblin._Ozy_2016-04-11T04:02:33ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfDeighton Thrane (alias of Timothy Kynoch)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#62016-04-11T01:17:35Z2016-04-11T01:17:35Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">HyperMissingno wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">zainale wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Alter Self</p>
<p>DESCRIPTION</p>
<p>When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium creature of the humanoid type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, scent, and swim 30 feet.</p>
<p>Small creature: If the form you take is that of a Small humanoid, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity.</p>
<p>Medium creature: If the form you take is that of a Medium humanoid, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Strength.</p>
<p>____________</p>
<p><b>If you're</b> a small creature and you use the form of a medium creature do you grow to medium size?</p>
<p><b>Which</b> is better<b>,</b> dark vision or low-light vision? </blockquote>The answer to the first question is yes. For the second one, darkvision is better unless you already have it, then you can get both that and low light vision. </blockquote><p>When using polymorph spells you lose things like natural attacks and sense that depend of creature type. So if you're a half-orc, and you turn into an elf, you lose darkvision, but gain low-light vision. If you're looking for a good form that has both, a sasquatch is a medium sized humanoid with darkvision 60', low light vision and scent, also has a slam attack and 40' movement speed as well. Doesn't have a swim speed like the boggard though.HyperMissingno wrote:zainale wrote:Alter Self
DESCRIPTION
When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium creature of the humanoid type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, scent, and swim 30 feet.
Small creature: If the form you take is that of a Small humanoid, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity.
Medium creature: If the form you take is that of a Medium humanoid,...Deighton Thrane (alias of Timothy Kynoch)2016-04-11T01:17:35ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter self_Ozy_https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#52016-04-11T01:12:41Z2016-04-11T01:12:41Z<p>There are some humanoids with both darkvision and low-light, so you can get both if you alter into one of those, like the boggard.</p>There are some humanoids with both darkvision and low-light, so you can get both if you alter into one of those, like the boggard._Ozy_2016-04-11T01:12:41ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfzainalehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#42016-04-10T23:22:18Z2016-04-10T23:22:18Z<p>cool</p>coolzainale2016-04-10T23:22:18ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfHyperMissingnohttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#32016-04-10T22:54:58Z2016-04-10T22:54:58Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">zainale wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Alter Self</p>
<p>DESCRIPTION</p>
<p>When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium creature of the humanoid type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, scent, and swim 30 feet.</p>
<p>Small creature: If the form you take is that of a Small humanoid, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity.</p>
<p>Medium creature: If the form you take is that of a Medium humanoid, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Strength.</p>
<p>____________</p>
<p><b>If you're</b> a small creature and you use the form of a medium creature do you grow to medium size?</p>
<p><b>Which</b> is better<b>,</b> dark vision or low-light vision? </blockquote><p>The answer to the first question is yes. For the second one, darkvision is better unless you already have it, then you can get both that and low light vision.zainale wrote:Alter Self
DESCRIPTION
When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium creature of the humanoid type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, scent, and swim 30 feet.
Small creature: If the form you take is that of a Small humanoid, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity.
Medium creature: If the form you take is that of a Medium humanoid, you gain a +2 size...HyperMissingno2016-04-10T22:54:58ZRe: Forums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfAvoronhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#22016-04-10T22:54:38Z2016-04-10T22:54:38Z<p>Yes, you do.</p>
<p>Darkvision is usually better, because it works even in total darkness - but only within 60 feet.</p>Yes, you do.
Darkvision is usually better, because it works even in total darkness - but only within 60 feet.Avoron2016-04-10T22:54:38ZForums: Rules Questions: so this is about alter selfzainalehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tlab?so-this-is-about-alter-self#12016-04-10T22:51:26Z2016-04-10T22:51:26Z<p>Alter Self</p>
<p>DESCRIPTION</p>
<p>When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium creature of the humanoid type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, scent, and swim 30 feet.</p>
<p>Small creature: If the form you take is that of a Small humanoid, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity.</p>
<p>Medium creature: If the form you take is that of a Medium humanoid, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Strength.</p>
<p>____________</p>
<p>if your a small creature and you use the form of a medium creature do you grow to medium size?</p>
<p>which is better dark vision or low-light vision?</p>Alter Self
DESCRIPTION
When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium creature of the humanoid type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, scent, and swim 30 feet.
Small creature: If the form you take is that of a Small humanoid, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity.
Medium creature: If the form you take is that of a Medium humanoid, you gain a +2 size bonus to your...zainale2016-04-10T22:51:26Z