Simple question.


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I have just started playing PFS and just complete my first scenario with a pre-gen character. I am making my official Level 1 character and I don't have access to all the resources yet. can anyone tell me if Changeling is a legal race to play, and can anyone provide instructions on where to find the options that are legal to use in PFS play?

Silver Crusade 1/5 Contributor

The legal races are the seven from the Core Rulebook, plus wayang, kitsune, and tengu. Changeling is not legal as a standard* race.

Legal options can be found on the Additional Resources page. Note that you must still own the book that an option comes from, whether in print or as a watermarked .pdf.

Does that make sense? ^_^

*There are special boons that unlock rare races - you can get these boons by GMing at conventions.

Grand Lodge 4/5

You should download and read the PFS Roleplaying Guild Guide, previously known as the Guide to Organised Play. Chapter 2 gives rules for Character Creation.

Changeling is not a permitted race without a boon certificate that allows you to play one and those for changelings are rare (not an exact game term).

Scarab Sages 5/5 5/5 *** Venture-Captain, Netherlands

If you download the Guide to Organised play, it will give you the specific rules for Pathfinder Society. It will explain the unique part of character creation to you in chapter two.
It might seem like a lot of text, but when you read it, you'll see that you can skip certain parts (about half of the guide is aimed at GMs)

(edit: ninja'd by Starglim)

Grand Lodge

That's a shame, its a cool race. to bad ill never get to play it since I don't have time to put into GMing.

Grand Lodge

oh lord, it says that the GM has to be present when I make purchases. Does this include always available items/basic starting gear for level 1 characters?

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Generally you should be OK just making your purchases in between scenarios and asking the GM when you come to the table if they want to look at your Item tracking sheet to go over it.

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Not for 1st level just starting characters (Start with 150gp) Just let the GM know when you come to the table. Show Him your recent purchases if you have any. At the end of a Scenario you can always do that if you know what your gunning for. Also a good thing to do before you start a scenario. because once you start playing and you are in a small town you maybe limited on what you can buy. So if you have been hoping to buy that belt of Physical perfection for 10000 gp you will not be able to buy it in the ram shack village with a population of 30 with 50 gp to their name.

On a side note +1 arms and armor are always available for purchase just upgrades and such maybe out of reach. So those items on your chronicle sheet may become important. I had to buy some alchemical goods like that once along with some healing sticks.

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You can get Race boons by GMing at a special event like a CON or you could get as a random draw for boons at one of those CONs for playing.

At Gen-Con when you play you get a wooden token (GMs as Well) when you get 2 tokens you take it to a booth and roll a d20. If you roll well you could get books, dice, and/or gift certificates and of course........BOONS!! Some could be a race boon, a one time power, traits, items or other interesting boons. Though GMing does net you a race boon. It does not take much to run a low level scenario.

- James

Scarab Sages

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Kalindlara wrote:
The legal races are the seven from the Core Rulebook, plus wayang, kitsune, and tengu.

And Nagaji.

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There's a boon trading thread too so if you happen to pick a boon or two, chances are it could be exchanged for a changeling. I got a suli that way.

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What do you like about changelings?

You may be able to do the same thing with a kitsune and realistic likeness.

Scarab Sages

BigNorseWolf wrote:

What do you like about changelings?

You may be able to do the same thing with a kitsune and realistic likeness.

She wouldn't be a Changeling then, though. It may not be that superficial.

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James Apostolou wrote:

You can get Race boons by GMing at a special event like a CON or you could get as a random draw for boons at one of those CONs for playing.

At Gen-Con when you play you get a wooden token (GMs as Well) when you get 2 tokens you take it to a booth and roll a d20. If you roll well you could get books, dice, and/or gift certificates and of course........BOONS!! Some could be a race boon, a one time power, traits, items or other interesting boons. Though GMing does net you a race boon. It does not take much to run a low level scenario.

Just FYI race boons are not part of the general support provided by Paizo for players at conventions (they are for GMs) however generous GMs sometimes give them away on the boon trading thread or at local conventions.

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I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

What do you like about changelings?

You may be able to do the same thing with a kitsune and realistic likeness.

She wouldn't be a Changeling then, though. It may not be that superficial.

and it might be too. The only way to know for sure would be to ask the OP (like BNW did).

gag - coming to the support of BNW... now I feel the need to go shower...

The Exchange 5/5

Michael Eshleman wrote:
James Apostolou wrote:

You can get Race boons by GMing at a special event like a CON or you could get as a random draw for boons at one of those CONs for playing.

At Gen-Con when you play you get a wooden token (GMs as Well) when you get 2 tokens you take it to a booth and roll a d20. If you roll well you could get books, dice, and/or gift certificates and of course........BOONS!! Some could be a race boon, a one time power, traits, items or other interesting boons. Though GMing does net you a race boon. It does not take much to run a low level scenario.

Just FYI race boons are not part of the general support provided by Paizo for players at conventions (they are for GMs) however generous GMs sometimes give them away on the boon trading thread or at local conventions.

actually, sometimes (yeah, it's "rare" or at least "uncommon") even just "normal players" get them too. Not to long ago, in very unusual circumstances, my table won 7 very uncommon race boons. The two non-Judge players picked the "best" ones (a damphir and a ratfolk)... My wife, who does not Judge (ok, she's working on her first star), has won several race boons.

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nosig wrote:
actually, sometimes (yeah, it's "rare" or at least "uncommon") even just "normal players" get them too. Not to long ago, in very unusual circumstances, my table won 7 very uncommon race boons. The two non-Judge players picked the "best" ones (a damphir and a ratfolk)... My wife, who does not Judge (ok, she's working on her first star), has won several race boons.

I can only assume that those were supplied out of the pockets of local GMs/VOs.

EDIT: Which by the way is really cool and awesome, but I was under the impression that official prize support only offered race boons to GMs.

EDIT EDIT: Which is probably the case since dhampir was only issued as part of the Beginner Box Bash, and AFAIK ratfolk has only been handed out as a GenCon GM boon.

The Exchange 5/5

Michael Eshleman wrote:
nosig wrote:
actually, sometimes (yeah, it's "rare" or at least "uncommon") even just "normal players" get them too. Not to long ago, in very unusual circumstances, my table won 7 very uncommon race boons. The two non-Judge players picked the "best" ones (a damphir and a ratfolk)... My wife, who does not Judge (ok, she's working on her first star), has won several race boons.

I can only assume that those were supplied out of the pockets of local GMs/VOs.

EDIT: Which by the way is really cool and awesome, but I was under the impression that official prize support only offered race boons to GMs.

EDIT EDIT: Which is probably the case since dhampir was only issued as part of the Beginner Box Bash, and AFAIK ratfolk has only been handed out as a GenCon GM boon.

yep!

but we have actually won race boons on the "wooden coin - roll the dice" thing too. Depends on the Con actually. Sometimes they give out the "special race" boons - it's actually how I got my first Tiefling and Aasimar (back the first time those were Boon-races).

Silver Crusade 5/5

nosig wrote:
Michael Eshleman wrote:
nosig wrote:
actually, sometimes (yeah, it's "rare" or at least "uncommon") even just "normal players" get them too. Not to long ago, in very unusual circumstances, my table won 7 very uncommon race boons. The two non-Judge players picked the "best" ones (a damphir and a ratfolk)... My wife, who does not Judge (ok, she's working on her first star), has won several race boons.

I can only assume that those were supplied out of the pockets of local GMs/VOs.

EDIT: Which by the way is really cool and awesome, but I was under the impression that official prize support only offered race boons to GMs.

EDIT EDIT: Which is probably the case since dhampir was only issued as part of the Beginner Box Bash, and AFAIK ratfolk has only been handed out as a GenCon GM boon.

yep!

but we have actually won race boons on the "wooden coin - roll the dice" thing too. Depends on the Con actually. Sometimes they give out the "special race" boons - it's actually how I got my first Tiefling and Aasimar (back the first time those were Boon-races).

I think the last time race boons were given out as player boons as a part of official PFS prize support was at 2012 at the latest, they had stopped that when I started doing the whole PFS thing in 2013.

Scarab Sages 5/5 5/55/55/5

Hocks, withers, fetlocks, toes who can wear what with what feats for pfs. I believe the intent is that it applies to most familiars as well

The Exchange 5/5

UndeadMitch wrote:
nosig wrote:
Michael Eshleman wrote:
nosig wrote:
actually, sometimes (yeah, it's "rare" or at least "uncommon") even just "normal players" get them too. Not to long ago, in very unusual circumstances, my table won 7 very uncommon race boons. The two non-Judge players picked the "best" ones (a damphir and a ratfolk)... My wife, who does not Judge (ok, she's working on her first star), has won several race boons.

I can only assume that those were supplied out of the pockets of local GMs/VOs.

EDIT: Which by the way is really cool and awesome, but I was under the impression that official prize support only offered race boons to GMs.

EDIT EDIT: Which is probably the case since dhampir was only issued as part of the Beginner Box Bash, and AFAIK ratfolk has only been handed out as a GenCon GM boon.

yep!

but we have actually won race boons on the "wooden coin - roll the dice" thing too. Depends on the Con actually. Sometimes they give out the "special race" boons - it's actually how I got my first Tiefling and Aasimar (back the first time those were Boon-races).

I think the last time race boons were given out as player boons as a part of official PFS prize support was at 2012 at the latest, they had stopped that when I started doing the whole PFS thing in 2013.

ok Mitch - you may be "undead", but now you're just making me feel "old"...

;)

Though I still think I've gotten one or two in rolls the last few years. I know my wife got her Sylph at a local Con, and I think I got my Ifrit at one also... Kind of balances out though. I know I have forgot to pick up a couple for judging - what with the crazy times between games at a Con.

Scarab Sages 4/5

There's at least one scenario now that gives access to a restricted race on the regular chronicle.

I've donated race boons before to give away at our local gamedays. Basically, if enough time passes and I can't figure out something I want to do with the boon, then I'm ok to donate it. I've given away an Ifrit boon to the local gameday, and I think I gave my Undine boon. It's not a race boon, but I also gave up my Aspis Hunter boon (might not be the correct name) I won at the last local con to be given away at a gameday. I just didn't see making a Ranger or other character that could really take advantage of it.

I'll probably do something with my Vishkanya boon, though.

Silver Crusade 1/5 Contributor

I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
The legal races are the seven from the Core Rulebook, plus wayang, kitsune, and tengu.
And Nagaji.

Oops. ^_^

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nosig wrote:
Though I still think I've gotten one or two in rolls the last few years. I know my wife got her Sylph at a local Con, and I think I got my Ifrit at one also... Kind of balances out though. I know I have forgot to pick up a couple for judging - what with the crazy times between games at a Con.

I can only speak for the time I have been a VO doing prize support for conventions (since April 2013) and during that time I have been told time and time again by campaign management that race boons given as convention support from Paizo are only for GMs and under no circumstances should be given to players as boons (though there is nothing stopping GMs from gifting their race boons to players).

The Exchange 5/5

Michael Eshleman wrote:
nosig wrote:
Though I still think I've gotten one or two in rolls the last few years. I know my wife got her Sylph at a local Con, and I think I got my Ifrit at one also... Kind of balances out though. I know I have forgot to pick up a couple for judging - what with the crazy times between games at a Con.
I can only speak for the time I have been a VO doing prize support for conventions (since April 2013) and during that time I have been told time and time again by campaign management that race boons given as convention support from Paizo are only for GMs and under no circumstances should be given to players as boons (though there is nothing stopping GMs from gifting their race boons to players).

perhaps it was one put into the "prize support" bucket by someone who got it from judging a game? (shrugs)

Grand Lodge 2/5

Between my wife and I we've got maybe twenty boons that we've never actually used (as in all of the boons we've received are just sitting there waiting to be used). Though I did just get a Vishkanya boon last weekend that I've already got plans for now.

3/5

Ok, I've been seeing a lot of interest in the Vishkanya boon and I have to ask: why? What am I missing?

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UndeadMitch wrote:
nosig wrote:
Michael Eshleman wrote:
nosig wrote:
actually, sometimes (yeah, it's "rare" or at least "uncommon") even just "normal players" get them too. Not to long ago, in very unusual circumstances, my table won 7 very uncommon race boons. The two non-Judge players picked the "best" ones (a damphir and a ratfolk)... My wife, who does not Judge (ok, she's working on her first star), has won several race boons.

I can only assume that those were supplied out of the pockets of local GMs/VOs.

EDIT: Which by the way is really cool and awesome, but I was under the impression that official prize support only offered race boons to GMs.

EDIT EDIT: Which is probably the case since dhampir was only issued as part of the Beginner Box Bash, and AFAIK ratfolk has only been handed out as a GenCon GM boon.

yep!

but we have actually won race boons on the "wooden coin - roll the dice" thing too. Depends on the Con actually. Sometimes they give out the "special race" boons - it's actually how I got my first Tiefling and Aasimar (back the first time those were Boon-races).

I think the last time race boons were given out as player boons as a part of official PFS prize support was at 2012 at the latest, they had stopped that when I started doing the whole PFS thing in 2013.

Tengu were made available in 2011/2012 season, Kitsune were made available as a player boon in the 2012/2013 season.

I had originally thought that the first round of elemental races were made available to players in 2013/2014, but nope, my records shows that those were GM boons.

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It's something different. Plus if you invest in the Sleep Venom feat, it actually makes there racial poison ability not so bad.

I'm planning a vishkanya brawler who is a renowned painter and art enthusiast that uses iron brushes as her weapon of choice. She joined the Society to help collect and protect ancient works of art.

Grand Lodge

I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:

What do you like about changelings?

You may be able to do the same thing with a kitsune and realistic likeness.

She wouldn't be a Changeling then, though. It may not be that superficial.

Well everything really, the claws are nice cause it allows me to use a shield or not use a shield and cast spells while never dropping a "weapon", the +1 natural armour is always nice, Dark vision without being an orc or dwarf, and the hag bonus. oh and they are not monsterous (for lack of a better word)in appearance. They are just all around a cool race, to me anyway.

Plus I had a really good idea for a Changeling Oracle.

Grand Lodge

Got another question that could use an answer, as I am not sure how this trait works.

according to the additional resources page this trait is legal for use (unless I missed something)

Adopted - "You where adopted and raised by someone not of your actual race, and raised in a society not your own. as a result, you picked up a race trait from your adoptive parents and society and may immediately select a race trait from your adoptive parents race."

now does that mean any race trait from them, say, the humans bonus feat, or is it only for the race traits presented in the APG?

thank you in advance for the info.

Silver Crusade 1/5 Contributor

Ah, this question. Comes up about once a week. ^_^

Adopted allows you to take a race trait (like Elven Reflexes or Scholar of Ruins), as opposed to racial traits (like a human's bonus feat, an elf's elven magic, or a dwarf's hardy). So it's perfectly legal... it's just not quite as powerful as it looks.

Grand Lodge

Darn.... that's ok, I figured as much anyway. thanks for the info.

1/5

If it helps, Tengus can get claws.

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Nohwear wrote:
If it helps, Tengus can get claws.

Just not yellow feathers.

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Nohwear wrote:
If it helps, Tengus can get claws.

So can Tieflings...but I know some people who just have spiked gaunlets on both hands...

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