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Without bringing alignment into the issue, anecdotal aside here.
Home Runelords campaign, our team of adventurers ended up in
Our GM was running both the original AP and the Anniversary edition, taking the best parts of both, and working in other things as it felt appropriate.
One of the NPCs was a priest of Erastil.
Our GM *started* with the 'original print' version of Erastil's followers, and then allowed the actions of our party to push the individual back to the 'better' path , as we were doing the Greater Good and didn't fit his worldview, and we didn't shove it in his face and we did more to build and support his community than HE was doing.
So at the end of it he moved to
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Rise of the Runelords is an interesting example, because it has (albeit in backstory only) another cleric who is Bad At His Deity - Father Tobyn. The cleric of Desna who tightly controlled his daughter's freedom and exploration has been called out elsewhere as being borderline not-a-cleric-anymore. (He probably would have made a fine cleric of Erastil, though.)
I suspect that a Erastilian cleric of the Kingmaker variety would be in the same boat, and that a redemption story would be very interesting (assuming his aasimar son didn't drown him in an icy lake and sacrifice his soul to Zon-Kuthon. Like you do.)
Anyway... interesting story, Wei Ji. ^_^
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Rise of the Runelords is an interesting example, because it has (albeit in backstory only) another cleric who is Bad At His Deity - Father Tobyn. The cleric of Desna who tightly controlled his daughter's freedom and exploration has been called out elsewhere as being borderline not-a-cleric-anymore. (He probably would have made a fine cleric of Erastil, though.)
I suspect that a Erastilian cleric of the Kingmaker variety would be in the same boat, and that a redemption story would be very interesting (assuming his aasimar son didn't drown him in an icy lake and sacrifice his soul to Zon-Kuthon. Like you do.)
Anyway... interesting story, Wei Ji. ^_^
That was the first thing to cross my mind when we started Rise of the Runelords and found out about Father Tobyn. I almost started laughing at the incongruity, except that her story was so sad. I remember sitting there hearing Tobyn's reaction to Nualia's pregnancy, railing about how Desna was going to punish her, all of that...and I'm just sitting there thinking, Desna's first response to one of her priestesses sneaking out and having sex with an attractive suitor is going to be "Was he cute?"...
But the sad truth is, people have been misinterpreting theology since theology existed, whether by honest mistake, benign intent, or malice. It's a true tragedy, but it's real.
Slight off-topic-ness over - we now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion. :)
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Rise of the Runelords is an interesting example, because it has (albeit in backstory only) another cleric who is Bad At His Deity - Father Tobyn. The cleric of Desna who tightly controlled his daughter's freedom and exploration has been called out elsewhere as being borderline not-a-cleric-anymore. (He probably would have made a fine cleric of Erastil, though.)
I suspect that a Erastilian cleric of the Kingmaker variety would be in the same boat, and that a redemption story would be very interesting (assuming his aasimar son didn't drown him in an icy lake and sacrifice his soul to Zon-Kuthon. Like you do.)
Anyway... interesting story, Wei Ji. ^_^
That was the first thing to cross my mind when we started Rise of the Runelords and found out about Father Tobyn. I almost started laughing at the incongruity, except that her story was so sad. I remember sitting there hearing Tobyn's reaction to Nualia's pregnancy, railing about how Desna was going to punish her, all of that...and I'm just sitting there thinking, Desna's first response to one of her priestesses sneaking out and having sex with an attractive suitor is going to be "Was he cute?"...
But the sad truth is, people have been misinterpreting theology since theology existed, whether by honest mistake, benign intent, or malice. It's a true tragedy, but it's real.
Slight off-topic-ness over - we now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion. :)
I certainly should have been more clear about Father Tobyn being a TERRIBLE cleric in talking about him, as a huge part of the point of that story was indeed that some of the worst things that happen are not because of evil people, but because people who are supposed to be good get it wrong. Rest assured, Tobyn's afterlife is NOT a pleasant one—he's likely being hunted in Abaddon or writhing in pain as a larva in the Abyss or something like that as a result of being such a terrible priest of Desna.
I did, after all, name him after Tobin Bell, the actor who plays "Jigsaw" in the "Saw" movies (I changed it from Tobin to Tobyn because I felt that Tobin would have been too obvious), so feel free to take that as authorial proof that I didn't intend Father Tobyn to be a figure of admiration.
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So, my impression of Erastil is, say, if there was a society where 'triad' marriages of three people was the norm and stable and healthy, he'd be down with that, and if there was a place where people normally married for 20 years then amicably parted, he'd be down with that, but if someone who'd been to each of these lands came over to the other and recommended a different culture adopt them overnight he'd be "Whooooa there, put the brakes on!"?
Kinda, he's more don't rock the boat than don't plug holes in a sinking boat.
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Rise of the Runelords is an interesting example, because it has (albeit in backstory only) another cleric who is Bad At His Deity - Father Tobyn. The cleric of Desna who tightly controlled his daughter's freedom and exploration has been called out elsewhere as being borderline not-a-cleric-anymore. (He probably would have made a fine cleric of Erastil, though.)
I suspect that a Erastilian cleric of the Kingmaker variety would be in the same boat, and that a redemption story would be very interesting (assuming his aasimar son didn't drown him in an icy lake and sacrifice his soul to Zon-Kuthon. Like you do.)
Anyway... interesting story, Wei Ji. ^_^
That was the first thing to cross my mind when we started Rise of the Runelords and found out about Father Tobyn. I almost started laughing at the incongruity, except that her story was so sad. I remember sitting there hearing Tobyn's reaction to Nualia's pregnancy, railing about how Desna was going to punish her, all of that...and I'm just sitting there thinking, Desna's first response to one of her priestesses sneaking out and having sex with an attractive suitor is going to be "Was he cute?"...
But the sad truth is, people have been misinterpreting theology since theology existed, whether by honest mistake, benign intent, or malice. It's a true tragedy, but it's real.
Slight off-topic-ness over - we now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion. :)
I certainly should have been more clear about Father Tobyn being a TERRIBLE cleric in talking about him, as a huge part of the point of that story was indeed that some of the worst things that happen are not because of evil people, but because people who are supposed to be good get it wrong. Rest assured, Tobyn's afterlife is NOT a pleasant one—he's likely being hunted in Abaddon or writhing in pain as a larva in the Abyss or something like that as a result of being such a terrible priest of Desna.
I did, after all, name...
You did it just great, Mr. T-Rex - or at least, I picked it up just fine. :)