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DeathQuaker wrote:

I think they're using the names of that Cobra villain team from the comics--all villains named after snakes (Cottonmouth, Diamondback, Bushmaster). But very re-envisioned.

Based on the trailer though, I'm most interested in seeing Black Mariah rise to power. That's what I wanted for the second half of the first season, and then she was weirdly sidelined for the Diamondback plot which I just found boring as f%&+.

Serpent Society!! Wooooooooooooo

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Freehold DM wrote:
Serpent Society!! Wooooooooooooo

Sadly no. Luke Cage just happens to have several villains that share names with Serpent Society members Diamondback and Bushmaster.

I'd love to see the Serpent Society in all their whacky snake-themed glory, particularly Sidewinder and Anaconda, two of my favorites. (And Diamondback/Rachel, for that matter.) But Luke Cage definitely is not the place for them, since they are pretty colorful and quirky. They, like Batroc the Leaper, would require a bit of tweaking, and a more four-color, less street-level, setting, IMO.


Set wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Serpent Society!! Wooooooooooooo

Sadly no. Luke Cage just happens to have several villains that share names with Serpent Society members Diamondback and Bushmaster.

I'd love to see the Serpent Society in all their whacky snake-themed glory, particularly Sidewinder and Anaconda, two of my favorites. (And Diamondback/Rachel, for that matter.) But Luke Cage definitely is not the place for them, since they are pretty colorful and quirky. They, like Batroc the Leaper, would require a bit of tweaking, and a more four-color, less street-level, setting, IMO.

they already did batroc in captain america 2.


Yeah but did he REALLY do that much leaping? That's what I wanted to see...

As for the Serpent Society, maybe that will be something for the next Captain America to handle.

But yes some of Luke Cage's villains DO have threads with HYDRA and snakes. But not Cobra!

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Freehold DM wrote:
Set wrote:

They, like Batroc the Leaper, would require a bit of tweaking, and a more four-color, less street-level, setting, IMO.

they already did batroc in captain america 2.

That was my (failed) point, that the Serpent Society would probably require some tweaking to be taken seriously, as Batroc was tweaked for Civil War (no twirly mustache, no ridiculous accent, etc.).

But I fail at the English today.


Sokay Set. I failed at paragraph-ing a while back...


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So... Bushmaster. Continuing with the Serpent Society thing. There's only three things I'm happy for:

1. They kept going with Mariah and "Shades," which brings me to...
2. They're also doubling down on the late 70's/early 80's Harlem vibes
3. There's more effortless slap-downs

Seriously, the "effortless slap-downs" are one of the major draws for me! As a fan of comics I could never understand splash pages where invulnerable people such as Rogue or Power Man would grit their teeth or show some kind of effort fighting against non-super bad guys. Rogue going toe-to-toe with the lackeys of the Hellfire Club with bullets bouncing off her skin and she's TRYING?

I love scenes where Luke doesn't even blink/flinch when bullets hit him. Couple this with "Shades" looking like he just walked off the set of a Beastie Boys video, the "nostalgia" filtered cameras and Mariah practically smoldering in every scene and this is just a winner of a show! I'm... kind of a fan.

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Mark Hoover 330 wrote:

3. There's more effortless slap-downs

Seriously, the "effortless slap-downs" are one of the major draws for me!

Yes! I do recognize the need for the big dramatic fight where the hero can lose hard at the end, or even at the beginning (where he has to find his mojo and come back swinging at the end), but I totally love the power-fantasy of super-folk just wading through some minions who can't really hurt them. Ever fight is a potential death sentence for someone like Daredevil, who isn't bulletproof, but his 'super-power' is being not quite as blind as the average blind person, so, yeah.

Luke Cage, on the other hand, is 'the unbreakable man,' and I love seeing him just sort of ignoring attacks by regular folk, even regular folk with guns. Show off those super-powers! That's what I'm here to see! :)


Hes got some great 1 liners in the season. Loving the heroes for hire references that keep getting dropped too. on episode 6 atm.

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I'm only 2 episodes in so far, but I've got to say the Shades/Mariah relationship creeps me out a bit. She's old enough to be his mother.

Otherwise, the thing I find myself looking forward to the most is how/from whom Misty gets her robot arm. Rand? Stark?


Yeah me too. I don't know if you've seen it yet but at some point she wipes her finger across his lip to get some saliva then puts it in her mouth and I wanted to barf.


I dunno about BARF...but it wasn't very romantic.

What's REALLY weird-ing me out is how Bushmaster seems to be nearly invincible. At least at the start.

We'll see how that plays out.

Also, not a huge fan of the way the season ending the way it did...


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I'm just on episode 11 and after episode 10 all I can say is that they need to produce a POWER MAN and IRON FIST series like NOW.
Episode 10 was so much fun to watch, especially the easy camaraderie between Danny and Luke.

So far I'm liking this season of Luke Cage far better than the first. It's more cohesive and the performances are uniformly great especially Simone Missick, Alfrie Woodard, and the late Reg E Cathey. Even Finn Jones is growing on me as Danny Rand. I dont think that this season suffers from the slump that the Marvel/Netflix shows and am looking forward to Daredevil S3 if it's just as smooth as this one.


The ending didn't work for me, but you're right about they need to do a Power Man and Iron Fist show. That was a GREAT episode.


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I'm liking the older woman younger man thing for a change. Why should guys be the only ones to get young lovers?


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HUH...

Luke Cage spoiler:
So the ending of this season is basically a cross between THE GODFATHER and the end of Brubaker's DAREDEVIL run when Matt Murdock accepts the leadership to the Hand in order to keep an eye on and curtail it's operations not realizing that the toll it's going to eventually take on him.

I'm interested to see where this leads for next season.


Shin,

Yeah I think that's accurate and we'll see what happens in Season 3.


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As with so many series, I wish it would have been shorter. Parts of it felt like it was just treading water. Trying to build to a big event in Ep 6-8, it's like... c'mon, I know there are 5 more episodes, this stuff is not the showdown you're trying to make it out to be.

They should have done a season 2, and a season 2.5, and released them a few months apart. Instead of the constant up and down for various characters, just do two separate arcs and make them distinct. A lot of just kinda blends together in this, and a lot doesn't feel very impactful.

Parts of it were good, and the title character is developing nicely. The Danny episode was good, and whoever wrote him for that episode needs to be in charge of IF2, because he was way more likable in that than IF1 or Defenders.

This was the first I heard of Cathay's passing. I will miss that gravely baritone.


I thought this season was one of the best of all the netflix ones. At least in the top 3.

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The wife and I got a little further along last night, but we still have about 6 episodes to go.

Three quick thoughts....

Spoiler:
I loved seeing Misty and her new arm.

I noticed the case Misty took the Judas bullet from was labeled Hammer, so there was a nice little easter egg from the movies.

Damnit, I was really starting to like Piranha. He reminded me of Carlton Banks from the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.


Aberzombie wrote:

The wife and I got a little further along last night, but we still have about 6 episodes to go.

Three quick thoughts....

** spoiler omitted **

Spoiler:
I liked him, but he was no carlton. His death definitely turned some people off from the show.

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I finished it yesterday. I thought the whole thing was pretty great, with just an outstanding cast (although at times it feels like Luke Cage himself is the least interesting character, but I guess that is what happens when you have a "paladin" as your lead. And I am now genuinely looking forward to Iron Fist, just on the basis of what they did in one episode.


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Also, did anyone by chance catch the Cloak and Dagger Easter Egg.


I did not where and when?

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MMCJawa wrote:
Also, did anyone by chance catch the Cloak and Dagger Easter Egg.

The one with the cop who moved to New Orleans?


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Aberzombie wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
Also, did anyone by chance catch the Cloak and Dagger Easter Egg.
The one with the cop who moved to New Orleans?

Yep


Power man and iron Fist, that's going on a T-Shirt.

and my patience is rewarded.

no need to watch the last 3 episodes.

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Finally finished the season last night. Some thoughts.....

Spoiler:
I'm actually glad to see Bushmaster survive. I enjoyed his brief team-up with Luke. Though he was an evil sonofab%+#$, I can at least understand what made him that way. Same with Mariah, really.

Speaking of whom, while I was sorry to see them kill off Mariah (if only because I thoroughly enjoy Alfre Woodard), it made sense. There really didn't seem to be much more they could do with the character.

I'm glad to see Shades survive, and hope they keep him going in the next season. Maybe Luke can visit him in prison to get some advice. That actor did a great job.

The new mob chick, Rosalie Carbone, is usually a Punisher enemy. It'll be interesting to see if they bring her into season 2 of Punisher, keep her around for Luke Cage season 3, or maybe both.

I like Sugar, and hope they keep him around as Luke's new bud.

I wonder who the villain will be for next season. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing the Serpent Society.


A-Zombie,

Actually, RC is going to be on the next season of Daredevil, not Punisher.


This was a fun season.

Brain droppings:

Bushmaster paid a severe price, perhaps more than we saw. The implication is that he nearly lost everything - his empire in Brooklyn, most of his mind and body and all but 1 known member of his family - in his quest for vengeance. A very understandable villain.

Shades was well portrayed. The likelihood of getting out of Rikers anytime remotely soon is ... minute.

Maria's character arc lasted longer than most villains ever get. Awesomely portrayed.

I am going to miss the actor that portrayed Carl/Luke's father. Fare the well, good sir.

Claire getting bounced out of Harlem's Paradise at the end was an ... interesting decision by Cage.

Tilda Johnson was not happy about Maria's decision to leave HP to Cage. At all. I suspect she will have future roles to play as an exceedingly dangerous antagonist in the next season. Doctors with functioning knowledge of Obea are not villains to be taken lightly. She has the capacity to step in and scoop up at least part of Bushmaster's Brooklyn operation.

Carbone is a very cool cucumber. I suspect that she will surface in Daredevil season 3 and/or Punisher season 2 as the four Defenders start "cleaning out" the boroughs one by one.

Which would be pretty cool to see happen.

The end set-up was well handled I thought. How will Cage deal with becoming the defacto criminal King of Harlem? What does he let slide, what does he drive out of Harlem ... and what drives his revenue stream?

The Luke Cage series to me is tied with or a bit better than Jessica Jones' series. The major characters 'feel' like people. Cage himself felt like he was in transition the entire season. It will be interesting to see how he emerges from this season into the seasons following.

P.S. I love that D.W. stepped in and bought out Pop's, once more becoming the Switzerland in Harlem. I hope that they keep the swear jar in place.


I liked this season a lot better than season 1. Season 1 dropped the ball the minute they killed Cottonmouth.
The triangle between Shades, Mariah and Comanche was nice, but I can't take Shades seriously. The actor tries, but he is just not threatening at all.
Bushmaster has some great Charisma and was an interesting threat. What I found rather strange was the decision to <Spoiler> have Luke beat him as early as Episode 6 </Spoiler>. It didn't feel earned.
Strangely the weakest part for me was Lukes Arc. I just could not understand where his anger and darkness is supposed to come from. He has won all of his challenges, has found new friends and allies and is in a great relationship with Rosario Dawson. He is one of the few Marvel guys that is genuinely revered by his community. So seeing him go down the conflicted route was really puzzling.
Still, great Season, and +100 to Irontruth - please please please get these guys to write Danny in the future. That was fun interaction between LC and IF.
All the guest appearances were really well done - Colleen, Foggy, the criminal that gets to snitch in all of the series. Still hoping for a Daughters of the Dragon spinoff with Misty and Colleen ;)


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Doesn't IF season 2 have a different showrunner?


Spoiler:
Luke's now like Jonny Marcone from Dresden Files

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Im 4-5 eps in and not enjoying the brooding emo slide Cage is in. We already have enough of that from DD and JJ. I always liked that he was the more positive member of the netflix defenders. Though it seems like season 2 is the slump for these shows and maybe it will get better S3? Of course, The Punisher and IF S2 only have up to go...


MMCJawa wrote:
Doesn't IF season 2 have a different showrunner?

I just looked, and the show does have a new showrunner. Their credits include successful projects like the movie Elektra, and the hit tv show Clue.

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Irontruth wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:
Doesn't IF season 2 have a different showrunner?
I just looked, and the show does have a new showrunner. Their credits include successful projects like the movie Elektra, and the hit tv show Clue.

*spits out drink*

By the Gods and Goddesses, they're perfect for each other.


Ah Elektra the only movie I ever payed for and walked out on.


Vidmaster7 wrote:
Ah Elektra the only movie I ever payed for and walked out on.

There have been far worse films than Elektra...


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But he hasn't paid to see them and walked out.


Maybe. Bad films I'll walk out of and ask about a refund for a crap movie. Doesn't always work.

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Someone would actually give you a refund because you didn't like the movie?

Lol.


Hama wrote:

Someone would actually give you a refund because you didn't like the movie?

Lol.

There are a few theaters over the years I've spent a lot of money at on concessions. You get to know the staff pretty well in those circumstances. When you get up a third of the way or less into the film ... *shrugs*

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That reminds me of a story about Brokeback Mountain premiering in Texas. Theater personnel were told "anyone asks for a refund, give it no questions asked."

But on the first showing, about ten minutes in an older Texan lady came out of the threater and demanded her money back. The cashier couldn't help himself, knowing that nothing "scandalous" happens in the first ten minutes, so he asks "Sorry, m'am, but what exactly didn't you like about the movie?"

"Well," she replies, fumes coming out of her ears, "this was supposed to be a cowboy movie, an them boys ain't nothin but a coupla lowdown shepherds."

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The Mad Comrade wrote:
Hama wrote:

Someone would actually give you a refund because you didn't like the movie?

Lol.

There are a few theaters over the years I've spent a lot of money at on concessions. You get to know the staff pretty well in those circumstances. When you get up a third of the way or less into the film ... *shrugs*

That's pretty cool.

Reckless wrote:

That reminds me of a story about Brokeback Mountain premiering in Texas. Theater personnel were told "anyone asks for a refund, give it no questions asked."

But on the first showing, about ten minutes in an older Texan lady came out of the threater and demanded her money back. The cashier couldn't help himself, knowing that nothing "scandalous" happens in the first ten minutes, so he asks "Sorry, m'am, but what exactly didn't you like about the movie?"

"Well," she replies, fumes coming out of her ears, "this was supposed to be a cowboy movie, an them boys ain't nothin but a coupla lowdown shepherds."

And now I am laughing


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Yeah I think catwoman was way worse but I didn't pay to see that. and turned it like 45 minutes in after giving it more of a chance. there are worse then that but I don't even start watching some of them.


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I generally enjoy horror films and splatterflicks. Most are mediocre to terrible, something I accept as part and parcel of the genre. I don't watch them very often save when the mood strikes. Most of the time I sigh and shrug off the wasted time, making a mental note to not acquire them or be grateful for having seen them on the cheap.

Except for what is - for me - the worst relatively recent film I had the extraordinary displeasure of enduring: ABCs of Death.

There are things in that (long chain of expletives) that I ardently, fervently wish actual brain bleach was available with which to cleanse the taint of having seen them from my brain.

This I acquired a full refund for. There aren't many lines that films of this genre should not cross ... this one did. More than once.

I'll leave it with this bit of advice: satisfying your curiosity is Not Recommended.


The Mad Comrade wrote:

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Oh you reminded me of what I actually consider the worst movie I've ever seen. Wolf Creek. an hour of boring combined with an hour of a Glorified snuff film. Complete garbage (open waters was pretty terrible too actually).


Vidmaster7 wrote:
The Mad Comrade wrote:

** spoiler omitted **

Oh you reminded me of what I actually consider the worst movie I've ever seen. Wolf Creek. an hour of boring combined with an hour of a Glorified snuff film. Complete garbage (open waters was pretty terrible too actually).

Yep, those're definitely crappy films.

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Started season 2 last night. I like it. My girlfriend thinks it’s a little slow. Only 2 episodes in. Anyone else catch

Spoiler:
the Super Munchkin game on the floor at the end episode 2?

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I just saw the episode where Luke gets pushed in the water.

I am really, really disappointed that...

Spoiler:
... We didn't cut to a shot of Misty's metal arm reaching through the water to catch him and bring him to the surface. ;) (A la the Winter Soldier.)

This season is very slooow. I am liking the character developments and the overall plot, but they are taking twice as long to get where they need to go than they really need to. I'm doing like the opposite of binge watching, I watch like a half-hour and then take a break and watch then next half an episode the next day.

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