Kineticist: Fire's Fury and Kinetic Fist


Rules Questions

Shadow Lodge

I'm wondering how these two talents interact.

Kinetic Fist:

Element(s) universal; Type form infusion; Level 1; Burn 1
Associated Blasts any
Saving Throw none

You surround your body with energy or elemental matter from your kinetic abilities. You can use this form infusion as part of an attack action, a charge action, or a full-attack action to add damage to each of your natural attacks and unarmed strikes until the beginning of your next turn. Since kinetic fist is part of another action, using this wild talent doesn't provoke any additional attack of opportunity. You deal an additional 1d6 points of damage per 3 dice of your kinetic blast's damage (minimum 1d6), and this damage is of the same type as your kinetic blast's damage. This extra damage ignores spell resistance and doesn't apply any modifiers to your kinetic blast's damage, such as your Constitution modifier.

Fire's Fury:

Element(s) fire; Type utility (Su); Level 1; Burn —

When using fire blasts or composite blasts that include fire, add your elemental overflow bonus to the damage dealt. If the kinetic blast normally adds double your elemental overflow bonus to damage, these effects stack.

Let's keep the example simple. A 3rd level Pyro Kineticist has Improved Unarmed Strike and Weapon Finesse(Said Kineticist is Human). He spends a move action to Gather Energy and reduce the Burn cost of Kinetic Fist down to 0.

Is his damage
1d3(base unarmed damage)+1d6(Kinetic Fist damage)+1(Fire's Fury extra damage)

or

1d3(base unarmed damage)+1d6(Kinetic Fist damage)?

Paizo Employee Designer

Kinetic Fist wrote:
This extra damage ignores spell resistance and doesn't apply any modifiers to your kinetic blast's damage, such as your Constitution modifier.

Fire's fury is a modifier to your kinetic blast's damage.

Shadow Lodge

I know I'm discussing this with the class's designer and that should be the end of it, but hear me out. The extra damage from Kinetic Fist isn't adding the damage equal to Elemental Overflow's attack bonus, Fire's Fury is. Since I made this thread I obviously wasn't sure, but can you see where I'm coming from in that line of thinking?

Dark Archive

Kinetic Fist gets NO damage bonuses. Not from overflow, not from con bonus, it's just a flat number of D6 that's added to your unarmed attack. Thus Fire's Fury would not benefit kinetic fist. It would benefit kinetic blade however.

That's actually one reason (among several) that I'm disappointed with the monk style kineticist archtype. For an archtype centered around kinetic fist... it's rather lackluster at low levels, and actually loses out overall to a kineticist who adds in a handful of monk levels. Especially if you're a hydrokineticist.

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