Legality of Mixing Chained and Unchained Rogue Talents


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Are either of the two following strategies legal for Unchained Rogues in PFS?

1. Selecting Ninja Trick using an Unchained Rogue Talent, selecting Rogue Talent using said Ninja Trick, and selecting Offensive Defense (a rogue talent not on the list for Unchained).

2. Dipping a single level into the Pathfinder Field Agent PrC, which get a Pathfinder training at first level. One option for that training is taking a Rogue Talent she qualifies for.

The first strategy seems pretty against RAI, if not RAW, and I'd expect the table variance. The second strategy though doesn't seem to go against any precedents. A fighter that has nothing to do with a rogue could dip into Pathfinder Agent and take Offensive Defense (although it would do nothing for him), so it makes that sense an Unchained Rogue could do the same.

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Unchained Rogues cannot select regular Rogue Talents, and regular Rogues cannot select Unchained Rogue Talents. Ninjas are an archetype of the regular Rogue, and therefore cannot select Unchained Rogue Talents, either.

If you are multiclassed with another class that grants access to regular Rogue Talents, then you could select regular Rogue Talents (such as Offensive Defense).

Scarab Sages

Unchained Rogue Talents are for Unchained Rogues ONLY. Anything else with access to Rogue Talents uses the talents that appear for CRB rogues.

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Speaking of Ninjas...

Scarab Sages

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8 seconds. Your Iaijutsu is stronger than mine.

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All of this was clarified when the Unchained Blog was released. Michael Brock's ruling is either in that thread or one of the many subsequent threads that came about afterwards (or possibly when John ruled that there cannot be Unchained Ninjas).

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No unchained ninjas Manriki required.

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