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The spell switch is fine. Antipaladin is mostly spending spells on minor buffs or having enemies succeed on their saves. The fighter feats will probably be close in terms of utility.
The swift healing is great. And the look on your allies' faces when you smite an elemental? Priceless.
It's weaker in some respect that a paladin or antipaladin, but it does get the ability to change what it can smite on a daily basis (basically anything but evil).
Losing spells hurts some, but spells were never the mainstay. It mostly the loss of use of wands that hurts more than anything.
The extra feats really helps you pull of fighting style which require a lot of feats.
I think it's pretty fluffy archetype, and I plan to play one in Hell's Vengeance campaign that my group will run soon.
I think the thing I lament the most is the loss of cruelties to hit the enemy with, especially with a conductive weapon :(
That said you can now use fey-foundling and make yourself a very effective tank. I will probably build to take dazzling display and some other intimidate based feats.
You can smite evil, actually. Just get a neutral patron for the day. The only alignment you can't smite is your own.
You can smite evil, actually. Just get a neutral patron for the day. The only alignment you can't smite is your own.
Good point, but still not quite correct. You can't smite the alignment of whatever outsider your have aligned with for the day, or more accurately anyone who shares any part of the alignment of the outsider you've contracted with.
A NN outsider contracted by a NE character allows one to smite anyone without a N composite to their alignment, so LG, CG, LE, and CE.
Though, because the outsider must be within 1 step of your alignment you'll never be able to smite your alignment.
I like the archetype a lot. A non-chaotic Antipaladin has been something that's been requested a lot. Trading the spells for bonus feats seems pretty reasonable too since the Antipaladin spells were never that great to begin with. A non-archetyped Antipaladin is probably better in terms of power but the Insinuator is much more functional as a PC.
I like it but not love it. The loss of spell list does not matter IMO since the anti paladin spell list is absolute crap. The question for me is rather or not this is a better archetype than the Dread Vanguard and for me it simply is not. That being said, my group always houserules anti paladins to be of any evil alignment so for others who have more restrictive GMs this Insinuator is a great option for a non CE player.
You can smite evil, actually. Just get a neutral patron for the day. The only alignment you can't smite is your own.Good point, but still not quite correct. You can't smite the alignment of whatever outsider your have aligned with for the day, or more accurately anyone who shares any part of the alignment of the outsider you've contracted with.
A NN outsider contracted by a NE character allows one to smite anyone without a N composite to their alignment, so LG, CG, LE, and CE.
Though, because the outsider must be within 1 step of your alignment you'll never be able to smite your alignment.
Unclear, my bad- what I meant to say was that the only alignment you can never smite is your own.
Yeah, they probably wouldn't tie themselves to one deity (based on fluff) because the whole implication is a level of pragmatism which precludes such extreme dedication to anything but their own self-service. It's a bit like the 3.5 prestige class which stole spells from deities. Thematically it probably doesn't make sense to actually worship any of them.
And deities aren't "outsiders" probably. I mean they are, but they are beyond outsiders and would probably have their own classification beyond it. Technically their isn't anything saying you must keep the fluff, or that you can't worship a deity...but it doesn't seem appropriate to me.
3rd ed pretty sure there were stats fir gods and they had the outsider type.
3rd ed pretty sure there were stats fir gods and they had the outsider type.
And Paizo has specifically wanted gods not to have stats (they are unassailable by normal mortals) and are would probably not qualify as normal outsiders. It's a big purposeful divergence from 3.5.
Specifically because of the problem of "if you give it stats players will find a way to kill it". Paizo didn't want that sort of thing to be an option, or any exploits to appear for them. So they simply don't have stats.
The Mantis God is a lesser deity and his statblock calls him an outsider.
Though yeah, generally JJ is too protective of his gods to let players have a chance to merc them. So no stats.
Where does he have stats listed from?
Edit: Found it. He has stats from Curse Of The Crimson Throne: Escape from Old Korvosa. Which was published in 2008. Before Pathfinder RPG existed. The core rule book was published in 2009. That book was written for 3.5 not Pathfinder.
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The Mantis God is a lesser deity and his statblock calls him an outsider.
Though yeah, generally JJ is too protective of his gods to let players have a chance to merc them. So no stats.
Retconned to the avatar of a deity.
The Mantis God is a lesser deity and his statblock calls him an outsider.
That was 3.5 to Pathfinder RPG transition stuff before they'd finalized a lot of the rules and metaphysics. The stat block has several violations of eventual finalized PRPG rules.
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"What would an Objectivist Paladin be like?"
Insinuator Antipaladin.
"Wait, but they're evil!"
"Yes."
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Apparently people who want a non-chaotic antipaladin have been forgetting about the Tyrant archetype.
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Okay, the Tyrant is really simple but not bad... as for the Insinuator, I kinda like it as a selfish for herself first character, just I also kinda like the idea of a Calistrian Antipaladin... Like the antipaldin I am making myself, while I could make her Chaotic Evil, just not sure I really want to play that alignment... Never been very good at not being just plain psychopathic with them or else I end up not being chaotic but instead being neutral evil or Lawful evil instead.