Theodor Snuddletusk |
Character has quickdraw shield, quickdraw feat and is fully proficient with a bastard sword.
Can he: He is unarmed, draws the weapon as a free action and takes a two handed swing with it full round. Draws the shield after attacks, holds the sword in his offhand and get full AC from shield?
If the weapon is one size-category larger than him, can he do the same?
Guru-Meditation |
Weapon Size raises the effort you need to bring in order to handle it.
Even with Proficiency a large Bastard Sword can not be used one-handed.
It is effectivly a two-handed weapn with -2 to-hit and 2d8 / 19-20/x2.
It costs you a feat over Greatsword and for that you get -2 to-hit for +2 damage. This is generally what peole consider "not a good deal".
James Risner Owner - D20 Hobbies |
Calth |
You can't Two Hand Weapon attack in the same round you are using your off-hand.
*in the same round you are using your off-hand to attack.
Both sequences are legal. But do note you wouldn't be considered wielding the large bastard sword while using the shield, as it cannot be wielded one-handed.
Theodor Snuddletusk |
Weapon Size raises the effort you need to bring in order to handle it.
Even with Proficiency a large Bastard Sword can not be used one-handed.
It is effectivly a two-handed weapn with -2 to-hit and 2d8 / 19-20/x2.
It costs you a feat over Greatsword and for that you get -2 to-hit for +2 damage. This is generally what peole consider "not a good deal".
But does he use the sword one-handed? As i see it, he does not. He draws it, uses it two handed, draw the shield and just hold it in his offhand.
Sure, he does not threaten with it, and therefor no AOO with it.
But does he get full 1.5 strength on the attack, and full shield bonus after his round?
And than next round, remove shield, strike with two hands, draw shield and hold sword on handed.
And he does not use a feat, he is an Inquisitor and his god is Kelemvor. Kelemvor`s weapon of choice is a bastard sword and the Inquisitor states "An inquisitor is proficient with all simple weapons, plus the hand crossbow, longbow, repeating crossbow, shortbow, and the favored weapon of her deity."
Blakmane |
Yes, it technically works, and isn't even all that powerful - note that DMs may rule against you to prevent this combo as there are some unwritten rule shenanigans with 'hands' that (although they don't really apply here) are vague enough that a GM *could* apply them here if they wanted to shut you down, even in PFS.
So, I recommend checking with your GM first. Considering it's a bit of an odd-duck mechanics wise it shouldn't be tooo surprising if he says no.
Theodor Snuddletusk |
Yes, it technically works, and isn't even all that powerful - note that DMs may rule against you to prevent this combo as there are some unwritten rule shenanigans with 'hands' that (although they don't really apply here) are vague enough that a GM *could* apply them here if they wanted to shut you down, even in PFS.
So, I recommend checking with your GM first. Considering it's a bit of an odd-duck mechanics wise it shouldn't be tooo surprising if he says no.
Yeah i agree. And i think its quite powerfull tbh.
You get to have a fast way to get fullround attacks and at the same time get full use of the shield. A combination not to easy to achieve.
Raw i see this as possible, but the number of free-actions should restrikt it.
On another note, if the weapon is large does that effect the combo?
I am now refering to the fact that after a fullround attack you hold the sword in one hand, and use the shield in the other. Is this possible? Or do you have to sheath the weapon?
Guru-Meditation |
You can of course HOLD your weapon in your hand when using a shield, and thus not being able to use it, as it would require 2 hands to use. What you loose is the ability to make AOOs until you get that other hand working again to properly wield the two-handed weapon in two hands again.
RAW this constant switching back and forth with a Quickdraw Shield and a two-handed weapon works. In the way that you can fullattack with your weapon two-handed (1,5x STR / 3er-PA-Conversion / etc) and then switch back to shield-modus at the end of your attack sequence. So that when its your opponents turn to attack you back you have the shield bonus active, at the cost of not threatening. And at the beginning of yur next turn going back into two-handed offense modus again.
But i concure with the other posters that it is not RAI. I would call it simply a loophole.
I wouldnt even go over the "too many free actions per round" restrictions as this loophole here uses less free actions as a simple hasted full attack by a high-level archer with Rapid Shot and Manyshot. (1 free action to draw each arrow). And noone ever said that archers cant full attck because of this.
In my group i would rule this a loophole and close it as a GM. Because of comparisons about comparable issues with the number of hands of effort for certain actions.
P.S.
If you want a shield-bonus to AC and THF, get a way to cast the Shield spell. (Wand is easy and cheap, or perhaps a 1-level-splash, etc...).
James Risner Owner - D20 Hobbies |
Blakmane wrote:Yes, it technically worksYeah i agree.
On another note, if the weapon is large does that effect the combo?
The question of whether or not it works RAW is determined by your GM's interpretation of the rules. Looking at past answers to FAQ where there were some on the boards saying "It works RAW" gives you an indication if this were to be answered, the answer would be it doesn't work.
So ask your GM if it works.
As for whether or not it works as a Large weapon. As a Large you can only use the weapon as a two handed weapon.
Melkiador |
The question of whether or not it works RAW is determined by your GM's interpretation of the rules.
James has a rather perverse definition of "RAW" that basically only he believes is correct. At any rate, when James argues what is or isn't RAW, it's best to just ignore that part of his arguments and move on.
Guru-Meditation |
and to me that's the entire reason of having a quickdraw shield.
Imho the advantage of a Quickdraw Shield is being able to switch between THF and Sword&Board on the fly without incuring a Buckler's -1 to-hit when in THF modus.
Not having the advantages of both styles at effectively the same time.
James Risner Owner - D20 Hobbies |
James has a rather perverse definition of "RAW"
Irrelevant really. What I think the RAW means doesn't matter.
What the GM of a particular game thinks the RAW means is all that matters.
Generally, I'm the one saying "Ask your GM" since he is in charge of RAW in any game you are playing.
If your GM isn't swayed by a bunch of forum posts saying "yep" and some or no "nopes" to your version of RAW, there isn't much you can do. When this happens, it's often when something could be a future FAQ target.