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Aberzombie wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:
So, Aberzombie... I know you saw my bacon-garnished cocktail from Bar Bacon. Would that be sufficient reason to temporarily lift your ban on going to New York?

Since I don't drink cocktails, probably not. I'm mostly a beer and mead kind of guy. Especially when it's home brewed.....

Not to mention, there's always a good rauchbier, which pretty much tastes like liquid bacon. I can find those many places.

INCLUDING New York! :-D
True, but the great thing about...anywhere else....is that it's not New York.

that sounds more like the awful thing about new york.


gets nekkid

Silver Crusade

Aberzombie wrote:
Freehold DM wrote:
Aberzombie wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:
So, Aberzombie... I know you saw my bacon-garnished cocktail from Bar Bacon. Would that be sufficient reason to temporarily lift your ban on going to New York?

Since I don't drink cocktails, probably not. I'm mostly a beer and mead kind of guy. Especially when it's home brewed.....

Not to mention, there's always a good rauchbier, which pretty much tastes like liquid bacon. I can find those many places.

INCLUDING New York! :-D
True, but the great thing about...anywhere else....is that it's not New York.

But Bar Bacon isn't just abut the bacon bourbon. There are bacon appetizers and bacon entrees and bacon desserts. I had a tasting flight of bacon, where they just bring out all different kinds of bacon on a tray...


Blerg. One thing I have to still work on in my brain hackery is my persistent procrastination.

I am NOT ready to go to Canada tomorrow.

Ah well, I'll pull it off somehow

Silver Crusade

I've been trying to approach this whole wedding thing from a "big picture" angle, and it helps. Usually.

Not today. Missed a detail that is causing extreme awkwardness.

Some friends wanted to throw an engagement party for us and I said, "Evening of August 13th will be great." (John works Saturdays, so the goal was to have it after he gets out of work.) The host sent me a copy of the invitation but I didn't really pay attention to it. Just a "See you on the 13th".

The invitation said 3pm. That is not evening, but I didn't notice the problem until today (the day of the event). And now I know what it feels like to call a party host on the day of the event to explain that I will be 2.5 hours late to a party thrown in my honor. (Hint: it feels s&@#ty.)


Celestial Healer wrote:

I've been trying to approach this whole wedding thing from a "big picture" angle, and it helps. Usually.

Not today. Missed a detail that is causing extreme awkwardness.

Some friends wanted to throw an engagement party for us and I said, "Evening of August 13th will be great." (John works Saturdays, so the goal was to have it after he gets out of work.) The host sent me a copy of the invitation but I didn't really pay attention to it. Just a "See you on the 13th".

The invitation said 3pm. That is not evening, but I didn't notice the problem until today (the day of the event). And now I know what it feels like to call a party host on the day of the event to explain that I will be 2.5 hours late to a party thrown in my honor. (Hint: it feels s!%$ty.)

Damn. I'm sorry CH. Does the party have a set end-time?


Oh man, how awful! Hopefully, they'll party away without you guys and have a good time, then kick it up when you get there.


Treppa wrote:
Oh man, how awful! Hopefully, they'll party away without you guys and have a good time, then kick it up when you get there.

We had to do something similar when my wife was late to our wedding due to forgetting her veil. A good time was had by all.


Practicing "eating" kefir from the squeeze bags before it's an absolute necessity. It's kind of choky and drooly. Gonna need a bib.

Silver Crusade

So, I made the decision to drop what I'm doing and get over there. It's weird to go to an engagement party with only half the couple, but better than no couple at all. John will come over when he can. As it is, party should continue to 9:00.


Celestial Healer wrote:

I've been trying to approach this whole wedding thing from a "big picture" angle, and it helps. Usually.

Not today. Missed a detail that is causing extreme awkwardness.

Some friends wanted to throw an engagement party for us and I said, "Evening of August 13th will be great." (John works Saturdays, so the goal was to have it after he gets out of work.) The host sent me a copy of the invitation but I didn't really pay attention to it. Just a "See you on the 13th".

The invitation said 3pm. That is not evening, but I didn't notice the problem until today (the day of the event). And now I know what it feels like to call a party host on the day of the event to explain that I will be 2.5 hours late to a party thrown in my honor. (Hint: it feels s*+%ty.)

That made me wonder... When two gay men are getting married... Do they have two separate bachelor parties or a joint bachelor party? How would the later differ from wedding party, though? (beside taking place before marriage, of course)

*chuckles*


Your friends will Understand. Believe me, I've seen all kinds of oddities just in the few weddings I have driven a bus for.

Heck, I'm driving one right now. The guests I am squiring were not pleased that my bus has no AC. I'm not hopeful for a tip, sadly. Curse you oppressive humidity!!


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Drejk wrote:
Celestial Healer wrote:

I've been trying to approach this whole wedding thing from a "big picture" angle, and it helps. Usually.

Not today. Missed a detail that is causing extreme awkwardness.

Some friends wanted to throw an engagement party for us and I said, "Evening of August 13th will be great." (John works Saturdays, so the goal was to have it after he gets out of work.) The host sent me a copy of the invitation but I didn't really pay attention to it. Just a "See you on the 13th".

The invitation said 3pm. That is not evening, but I didn't notice the problem until today (the day of the event). And now I know what it feels like to call a party host on the day of the event to explain that I will be 2.5 hours late to a party thrown in my honor. (Hint: it feels s*+%ty.)

That made me wonder... When two gay men are getting married... Do they have two separate bachelor parties or a joint bachelor party? How would the later differ from wedding party, though? (beside taking place before marriage, of course)

*chuckles*

I would love to take CH out for a night on the town, there is one place I think he might enjoy. Or I would enjoy seeing him blush at. I would have to see when they were doing the review night.


Patrick Curtin wrote:

Your friends will Understand. Believe me, I've seen all kinds of oddities just in the few weddings I have driven a bus for.

Heck, I'm driving one right now. The guests I am squiring were not pleased that my bus has no AC. I'm not hopeful for a tip, sadly. Curse you oppressive humidity!!

DAMN that sucks.


It reminds me of a weekend when two of my gamer friends had their own bachelor parties on two consecutive days... First Friday at one friend's place together with his room mates from another story (i.e. having little in common with us, gamers) where we consumed alcohol and watched Black Sheep and then a Saturday evening at pub. The groom of the second bachelor party consumed enough alcohol on the first night so he solemnly promised to drink beer only on his own bachelor party...

Some of our friends started to pouring him vodka into beer when he wasn't looking... Friends... Uhhh...

They had to lead him home (almost carry), to the great annoyance of the bride...


Then again, a lot of these folks expect a fully-air conditioned-rockstar-level bus.


Freehold DM wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:

Your friends will Understand. Believe me, I've seen all kinds of oddities just in the few weddings I have driven a bus for.

Heck, I'm driving one right now. The guests I am squiring were not pleased that my bus has no AC. I'm not hopeful for a tip, sadly. Curse you oppressive humidity!!

DAMN that sucks.

Meh. Hopefully after a few drinks they'll open up. Plus it looks as if the sea breeze will cool things down a bit.


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I'm seriously considering making a 'Suicide Squad' game for fun. Have the players make the nastiest, ugliest, most murderhoboiest characters their little hearts desire and send them on a mission that the kingdom doesn't expect them to return from. I've never dealt with truly eeee-vil PCs before, I think it would be an interesting process.

I got the idea from A blog by Neal Litherland. He's a good writer and I met him at GenCon, which was quite cool. He has a Patreon too, if anyone has a spare buck they can afford per month.


Evil PCs are a complicated matter. They need to be done right and whole party must be ok with the idea for it to work, and need to be on the same page with their concepts, or it will be a mess.

A few times my Pathfinder/D&D team vaguely considered "True Evil Team" it but it never came anywhere near the realization...

One of the players was particularly cheerful whenever the topic came on "Yay! Lets play Evil!"... Each time another player reminded her that she wouldn't be able to handle playing in really evil party as she was squicked by very mildly evil acts of the party in some past campaign...


Patrick Curtin wrote:

I'm seriously considering making a 'Suicide Squad' game for fun. Have the players make the nastiest, ugliest, most murderhoboiest characters their little hearts desire and send them on a mission that the kingdom doesn't expect them to return from. I've never dealt with truly eeee-vil PCs before, I think it would be an interesting process.

I got the idea from A blog by Neal Litherland. He's a good writer and I met him at GenCon, which was quite cool. He has a Patreon too, if anyone has a spare buck they can afford per month.

Do I get to run a female Drow elf through your game?


Sharoth wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:

I'm seriously considering making a 'Suicide Squad' game for fun. Have the players make the nastiest, ugliest, most murderhoboiest characters their little hearts desire and send them on a mission that the kingdom doesn't expect them to return from. I've never dealt with truly eeee-vil PCs before, I think it would be an interesting process.

I got the idea from A blog by Neal Litherland. He's a good writer and I met him at GenCon, which was quite cool. He has a Patreon too, if anyone has a spare buck they can afford per month.

Do I get to run a female Drow elf through your game?

And I imagined a deep dragon running after fleeing drow chick across the scene...


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Drejk wrote:
Sharoth wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:

I'm seriously considering making a 'Suicide Squad' game for fun. Have the players make the nastiest, ugliest, most murderhoboiest characters their little hearts desire and send them on a mission that the kingdom doesn't expect them to return from. I've never dealt with truly eeee-vil PCs before, I think it would be an interesting process.

I got the idea from A blog by Neal Litherland. He's a good writer and I met him at GenCon, which was quite cool. He has a Patreon too, if anyone has a spare buck they can afford per month.

Do I get to run a female Drow elf through your game?
And I imagined a deep dragon running after fleeing drow chick across the scene...

Perhaps a dozen scantily-clad drow chicks running from a lecherous deep dragon while the Benny Hill theme plays?

Liberty's Edge

Patrick Curtin wrote:

I'm seriously considering making a 'Suicide Squad' game for fun. Have the players make the nastiest, ugliest, most murderhoboiest characters their little hearts desire and send them on a mission that the kingdom doesn't expect them to return from. I've never dealt with truly eeee-vil PCs before, I think it would be an interesting process.

I got the idea from A blog by Neal Litherland. He's a good writer and I met him at GenCon, which was quite cool. He has a Patreon too, if anyone has a spare buck they can afford per month.

That sounds awesome! Play by Post or tabletop?


Oh PbP. My tabletop is very dusty


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Obviously the participants would have to be prepared for NC17 stuff. But, why would you want to play something like this if you had a problem with evil?

It would be a chance to take a walk on the dark side. Plus, I imagine they would be up against an even greater evil. Perhaps a variant on the Drow city falling into anarchy (even more so) and a magical artifact in the apocalypse-level Starfall league needing to be destroyed before some faction triggers it.

Maybe a cultist has found the ancient tomb of Arvoggath the World Eater and is leading a small mercenary army to crack the seal and release it upon the world.

As an aside, anyone have ideas on making a Joker-type big bad?

Liberty's Edge

Joker-type as in personality or abilities?


lucky7 wrote:
Joker-type as in personality or abilities?

As in the psychopath murder master from the Batman comics


Just let me play Doom for a bit to get me in the mood. After all, you know what they say about staring into the Abyss.

Liberty's Edge

Patrick Curtin wrote:
lucky7 wrote:
Joker-type as in personality or abilities?
As in the psychopath murder master from the Batman comics

Alright. Well my first recommendation is to read Adam DeCamp's "The Elephant in the Room" An easy trap to fall into in order to maintain the sense of chaos is to simply render the character omnipotent.

That said, the character should ACT like it's effortless. Always seem like you know something they don't, and the players will be on their guard throughout their encounter with the villain.

For my final bit of advice; the most powerful Jokers are nihilistic rather than humorous. As someone with about 3/2 batman scripts written, I offer my favorite bit of dialogue I wrote:

"You thought you could UNDERSTAND me? That it could all boil down to signs and portents? HA! Truth is, I can't be stopped because I am what hides beneath the thin mask of civilization. A hundred would gladly take my place should I fall, and you damn well know it."

Keep in mind the players won't have a superhero code holding them back, and their first instinct might be to nuke him from orbit.


Oh nihilism. For sure. In fact, he'd be the mastermind in the whole unlocking the world eater scenario.

"Why? Because I want to watch it all burn. I want to dance in the coals. Perhaps... perhaps once the fires are ash and the world is a cinder I will be content "

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16

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The toughest part about all eveil is the same challenge for Paladin players. It's actually Advanced Roleplaying to pull it off. It takes more investment into character motives.

Silver Crusade

Party cohesion is also very important.


Aberzombie wrote:
Not to mention, there's always a good rauchbier, which pretty much tastes like liquid bacon.

no no no no no no no no no no


Patrick Curtin wrote:
I'm seriously considering making a 'Suicide Squad' game for fun. Have the players make the nastiest, ugliest, most murderhoboiest characters their little hearts desire and send them on a mission that the kingdom doesn't expect them to return from. I've never dealt with truly eeee-vil PCs before, I think it would be an interesting process.

Yeah, sure...


Patrick Curtin wrote:
As an aside, anyone have ideas on making a Joker-type big bad?

Have you seen the BBC's Sherlock? I'd make a "Joker" using Sherlock's Moriarty and Ledger's TDK's Joker as the personality templates.

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Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:
As an aside, anyone have ideas on making a Joker-type big bad?
Have you seen the BBC's Sherlock? I'd make a "Joker" using Sherlock's Moriarty and Ledger's TDK's Joker as the personality template.

Though to be fair, you should watch Sherlock regardless.


Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
The toughest part about all eveil is the same challenge for Paladin players. It's actually Advanced Roleplaying to pull it off. It takes more investment into character motives.

Yeah. This isn't a game I'd call out for random recruiting. Everyone would have to come with references. This ain't Keep on the Borderlands.

As for party cohesion, there would have to be a 'minder' in the party. A Lawful neutral jailer who accompanied them. Maybe he has a way of killing them if they go off script. Or start backstabbery


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:
As an aside, anyone have ideas on making a Joker-type big bad?
Have you seen the BBC's Sherlock? I'd make a "Joker" using Sherlock's Moriarty and Ledger's TDK's Joker as the personality templates.

I'll have to watch both of them


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:
As an aside, anyone have ideas on making a Joker-type big bad?
Have you seen the BBC's Sherlock? I'd make a "Joker" using Sherlock's Moriarty and Ledger's TDK's Joker as the personality templates.

And now that I think about it, maybe mix in a bit of Mr. Morden from Babylon 5.


Another show I need to watch

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Patrick Curtin wrote:
Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
The toughest part about all eveil is the same challenge for Paladin players. It's actually Advanced Roleplaying to pull it off. It takes more investment into character motives.

Yeah. This isn't a game I'd call out for random recruiting. Everyone would have to come with references. This ain't Keep on the Borderlands.

As for party cohesion, there would have to be a 'minder' in the party. A Lawful neutral jailer who accompanied them. Maybe he has a way of killing them if they go off script. Or start backstabbery

Shoot. I have no references.

Scarab Sages

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Patrick Curtin wrote:
As an aside, anyone have ideas on making a Joker-type big bad?

Very high intelligence. Mixed levels of rogue and alchemist. Chaotic Evil. And I think the new Horror book Paizo put out has rules for insanity. Ranks in Use Magic Device, Disable Device, Sleight of Hand.


Now do Batman! Bonus points for NOT saying Vigilante. :-)


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Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
The toughest part about all eveil is the same challenge for Paladin players. It's actually Advanced Roleplaying to pull it off. It takes more investment into character motives.

This is the man who ran one of the most roleplaying-heavy all-evil campaigns I have ever been in(also the only one),he knows of what he speaks.

Liberty's Edge

captain yesterday wrote:
Now do Batman! Bonus points for NOT saying Vigilante. :-)

Brawler with 18s across the board. Next question. ;)


lucky7 wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:
Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
The toughest part about all eveil is the same challenge for Paladin players. It's actually Advanced Roleplaying to pull it off. It takes more investment into character motives.

Yeah. This isn't a game I'd call out for random recruiting. Everyone would have to come with references. This ain't Keep on the Borderlands.

As for party cohesion, there would have to be a 'minder' in the party. A Lawful neutral jailer who accompanied them. Maybe he has a way of killing them if they go off script. Or start backstabbery

Shoot. I have no references.

If I decide to do it I'll give you a shot. But, I want some quality Roleplaying, no shenanigans


Ugh. Why didn't I pack a protein bar? Or some bug spray? Lol. So unprepared


I might also do a Fear the Walking Dead game set in Boston using Cypher System rules. But, that's if I get this WHOI job and have a lot of time to utilize.

Liberty's Edge

Patrick Curtin wrote:
lucky7 wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:
Mark Thomas 66 wrote:
The toughest part about all eveil is the same challenge for Paladin players. It's actually Advanced Roleplaying to pull it off. It takes more investment into character motives.

Yeah. This isn't a game I'd call out for random recruiting. Everyone would have to come with references. This ain't Keep on the Borderlands.

As for party cohesion, there would have to be a 'minder' in the party. A Lawful neutral jailer who accompanied them. Maybe he has a way of killing them if they go off script. Or start backstabbery

Shoot. I have no references.
If I decide to do it I'll give you a shot. But, I want some quality Roleplaying, no shenanigans

That's the plan!

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