Charisma for Will saves...


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I was hoping you good people could point me the directions of all feats, traits, class abilities, or races that get to supplant the wisdom bonus for the charisma bonus on will saves.
Also, I am seeking similar instances of the ability that is basically the same as evasion except for its for will saves.

Thanks in advance!
AtD


Ahpook The Destroyer wrote:

I was hoping you good people could point me the directions of all feats, traits, class abilities, or races that get to supplant the wisdom bonus for the charisma bonus on will saves.

Also, I am seeking similar instances of the ability that is basically the same as evasion except for its for will saves.

Thanks in advance!
AtD

I believe this is what you are looking for.

Steadfast Personality
Source Advanced Class Guide pg. 157 (Amazon)
You rely on your assuredness and sense of self to help keep your mind clear.

Benefit: Add your Charisma modifier instead of your Wisdom bonus on Will saves. If you have a Wisdom penalty, you must apply both your Wisdom penalty and your Charisma modifier.


There's also a trait, Irrepressible

You can use your Charisma modifier in place of your Wisdom modifier when attempting Will saving throws against charm and compulsion effects.


Chess Pwn wrote:

There's also a trait, Irrepressible

You can use your Charisma modifier in place of your Wisdom modifier when attempting Will saving throws against charm and compulsion effects.

I was just looking that one up...here is the text

Irrepressible
Source Quests and Campaigns pg. 19 (Amazon)
Your hope for a brighter future blessed by the gods, combined with your powerful personality, allows you to force your way free of spells that cloud the mind. You can use your Charisma modifier in place of your Wisdom modifier when attempting Will saving throws against charm and compulsion effects.

Suggested Characters: Gnomes, Keleshites, Shelyn worshipers.

Those are the only two methods I was able to find for getting Cha to Will saves.


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OldSkoolRPG wrote:
Ahpook The Destroyer wrote:

I was hoping you good people could point me the directions of all feats, traits, class abilities, or races that get to supplant the wisdom bonus for the charisma bonus on will saves.

Also, I am seeking similar instances of the ability that is basically the same as evasion except for its for will saves.

Thanks in advance!
AtD

I believe this is what you are looking for.

Steadfast Personality
Source Advanced Class Guide pg. 157 (Amazon)
You rely on your assuredness and sense of self to help keep your mind clear.

Benefit: Add your Charisma modifier instead of your Wisdom bonus on Will saves. If you have a Wisdom penalty, you must apply both your Wisdom penalty and your Charisma modifier.

They did errata that to add "against mind-affecting effects" to the end of the first sentence, but that does cover the worst effects that you need to make Will saves against.


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Ahpook The Destroyer wrote:

I was hoping you good people could point me the directions of all feats, traits, class abilities, or races that get to supplant the wisdom bonus for the charisma bonus on will saves.

Also, I am seeking similar instances of the ability that is basically the same as evasion except for its for will saves.

Thanks in advance!
AtD

There is Stalwart, but at best it comes at level 11 as an inquisitor.

Stalwart wrote:
At 11th level, an inquisitor can use mental and physical resiliency to avoid certain attacks. If she makes a Fortitude or Will saving throw against an attack that has a reduced effect on a successful save, she instead avoids the effect entirely. This ability can only be used if the inquisitor is wearing light armor, medium armor, or no armor. A helpless inquisitor does not gain the benefit of the stalwart ability.

I remember there is a Fighter archetype that gets it too, but probably it's very late for a class feature.


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If your character is of a good alignment consider a wand of Bestow Grace

A full wand of 50 charges costs 6,000 gold but adds a sacred bonus equal to your charisma to ALL your saves. It last only four minutes per charge but perfect if you know you are going into a boss fight. It just takes a UMD check of 20 to activate and I assume you already have a decent charisma so DC20 should not be too hard. All my Sorcerers and oracles carry these.

Liberty's Edge

Towering Ego from Mesmerist lvl 2 works.


Divine Grace (Su)
At 2nd level, a paladin gains a bonus equal to her Charisma bonus (if any) on all Saving Throws.

Charmed Life (Ex)
At 2nd level, the swashbuckler gains a knack for getting out of trouble. Three times per day as an immediate action before attempting a saving throw, she can add her Charisma modifier to the result of the save. She must choose to do this before the roll is made. At 6th level and every 4 levels thereafter, the number of times she can do this per day increases by one (to a maximum of 7 times per day at 18th level).


I thought there was an Medium archetype that did it at level two, but I can't find it right meow... might not of been a Medium, but I am pretty sure it was a level two ability granted by the archetype that replaced Wisdom with Charisma for Will saves.


Elder Mythos Cultist Cleric does that as well.
At the cost of a -2 vs mind effects and an auto-fail versus confusion, insanity and the like.


VoodistMonk wrote:
I thought there was an Medium archetype that did it at level two, but I can't find it right meow... might not of been a Medium, but I am pretty sure it was a level two ability granted by the archetype that replaced Wisdom with Charisma for Will saves.

The mesmerist class gets an ability at level 2 which adds Cha to will saves as well, that might be what you're thinking of.


@avr, thank you. I know Towering Ego has been mentioned, but I just didn't put all together until now.

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