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Freehold DM wrote:
I always found impulse incredibly annoying. Turned me off to the comic.

Agreed!! I hated Impulse... and I wasn't a big fan of 90's Conner either. I didn't really start to like them until they matured a little bit and Conner became a bit more kryptonian and Impulse became kid flash over in Teen Titans.

And that seems to be the point where the 'long time fans' tend to get irate... so I don't know if this for me.

Tim as Robin though.. I was a huge fan of his right up through Infinite Crisis. If they want to backtrack him to his glory days, I'm all for it.


I liked Superboy, didnt care for him when they made him more mature.


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All I know is right now they are pretty much crapping on their own stuff at DC. Dick gets shot in the head, Wally and Roy get murdered, Damien is running a Teen Titans that is being helped by Red Hood/Jason Todd...

And that's not including the other stuff!


I did like the issue of Impulse where it focused on him having to spend an hour getting to sleep and then wakes up after 5 minutes thinking he slept all night.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

All I know is right now they are pretty much crapping on their own stuff at DC. Dick gets shot in the head, Wally and Roy get murdered, Damien is running a Teen Titans that is being helped by Red Hood/Jason Todd...

And that's not including the other stuff!

They've been doing that for a while now...

Well, at least Dick lived. I can live with a 'shot in the head' concept as long as a decent story can come out of it. Not sure I have faith in DC to GIVE a good story... but street level characters like Nightwing probably SHOULD get hurt and need to heal up a bit more often then they do...


Dick might be alive, but clearly it has changed him with a combination amnesia and personality shift towards more Jason Todd type deal.


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Dick might be alive, but clearly it has changed him with a combination amnesia and personality shift towards more Jason Todd type deal.

IE: bringing him in line with their new TV version


Grey,

Not sure that's entirely accurate. From what I've read, it was more they made Batman willing to kill...and Dick didn't like that idea.


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Dick might be alive, but clearly it has changed him with a combination amnesia and personality shift towards more Jason Todd type deal.

Yeah.... but it reminds me of 'superior spider-man' where it's obviously a temporary thing before he gets back to his tradional self.

Could be a fun ride if it's short enough.


Thomas Seitz wrote:

All I know is right now they are pretty much crapping on their own stuff at DC. Dick gets shot in the head, Wally and Roy get murdered, Damien is running a Teen Titans that is being helped by Red Hood/Jason Todd...

And that's not including the other stuff!

characters die all the time.


Freehold DM wrote:
Thomas Seitz wrote:

All I know is right now they are pretty much crapping on their own stuff at DC. Dick gets shot in the head, Wally and Roy get murdered, Damien is running a Teen Titans that is being helped by Red Hood/Jason Todd...

And that's not including the other stuff!

characters die all the time.

But they don't stay dead unless they are Uncle Ben


Or for while, Bucky...


Young Justice was pretty good.

some minor character changes (Cassie is now Zeus's Granddaughter) but over all it felt really good.

Little wordy but good

and I loved how they handled Impulse, a lot of energy in those pages.

Plus I kind of like Jinny Hex. Young lady who's "super-power" Is an old trunk full of stuff Great Great Grand daddy found, back in the day


Greylurker wrote:

Young Justice was pretty good.

some minor character changes (Cassie is now Zeus's Granddaughter) but over all it felt really good.

Little wordy but good

and I loved how they handled Impulse, a lot of energy in those pages.

Plus I kind of like Jinny Hex. Young lady who's "super-power" Is an old trunk full of stuff Great Great Grand daddy found, back in the day

How are they doing the ages? It looked like Bart, Connor and Tim were all regressed much younger than they were the last time we saw those three... Is that accurate?


phantom1592 wrote:
Greylurker wrote:

Young Justice was pretty good.

some minor character changes (Cassie is now Zeus's Granddaughter) but over all it felt really good.

Little wordy but good

and I loved how they handled Impulse, a lot of energy in those pages.

Plus I kind of like Jinny Hex. Young lady who's "super-power" Is an old trunk full of stuff Great Great Grand daddy found, back in the day

How are they doing the ages? It looked like Bart, Connor and Tim were all regressed much younger than they were the last time we saw those three... Is that accurate?

No specific ages given but everyone seems to be around 16 give or take a year I think. Although Conner has some manly stubble

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Greylurker wrote:
some minor character changes (Cassie is now Zeus's Granddaughter) but over all it felt really good.

Since Wonder Woman is now Zeus' daughter, that would have made them sisters.

By making Cassie his granddaughter she can look up to Diana as an aunt.

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Wonder Woman is now Zeus' daughter

Blink, blink.

What? I stopped reading WW a year and some ago, but, what?

I liked the "made of clay, infused with life by the gods" narrative.


Chris Mortika wrote:
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Wonder Woman is now Zeus' daughter

Blink, blink.

What? I stopped reading WW a year and some ago, but, what?

I liked the "made of clay, infused with life by the gods" narrative.

That's been the official word since the New 52 started - or at least soon after, though it was apparently hidden from her at first. It's been known for quite awhile now though.

I liked the clay statue thing too, but you have to admit the "superhuman hero is Zeus's child" thing falls pretty neatly into Greek myth.

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thejeff wrote:
Chris Mortika wrote:
Quote:
Wonder Woman is now Zeus' daughter

Blink, blink.

What? I stopped reading WW a year and some ago, but, what?

I liked the "made of clay, infused with life by the gods" narrative.

That's been the official word since the New 52 started - or at least soon after, though it was apparently hidden from her at first. It's been known for quite awhile now though.

I liked the clay statue thing too, but you have to admit the "superhuman hero is Zeus's child" thing falls pretty neatly into Greek myth.

She also has a twin brother named Jason, who she just met.

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Who is her mother, then, if not Hippolyta?

If she's still Hippolyta's daughter, then is Wonder Woman the result of rape on Paradise Island?

I guess that ret-cons come and get replaced like waves on a beach, but I really liked George Perez's idea of PAradise Island being a place where women were safe.


Chris Mortika wrote:

Who is her mother, then, if not Hippolyta?

If she's still Hippolyta's daughter, then is Wonder Woman the result of rape on Paradise Island?

I guess that ret-cons come and get replaced like waves on a beach, but I really liked George Perez's idea of PAradise Island being a place where women were safe.

Supposedly they met, fell in love and then Hippolita went into hiding for a bit and came up with the clay statue story.

Later Hera found out and turned her into snakes...except that didn't happen cause all events on paradise island are now an illusion, because Diana has never been able to return home after she left

Basically Retcon has smashed into a retcon and Wonder Woman's history is a little fuzzy now


Chris,

Diana is the result not of rape so much as a secret affair between Zeus and Hippolyta. Also while Cassie in this version is Zeus' grand-daughter, I'm more convinced she and Diana are more like aunt/niece. Though I could be wrong.


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Greylurker wrote:
Basically Retcon has smashed into a retcon and Wonder Woman's history is a little fuzzy now

In that sense, Wonder Woman is the new Wonder Girl. And Power Girl.


Well no because Power Girl STILL might be around...just unclear whether Earth-2 visitors will show up any time soon.

I mean, Mister Terrific was stuck on another Earth for a while...and now he's back.


I meant only in the sense of a muddled background/origin. Wonder Girl and Power Girl must be untethered in Hypertime, with different versions of them entering and exiting the mainstream realities of Earth-1 and Earth-2 more readily than other heroes. Almost as bad as the Hawks for retcons.


Oh god don't even get me started on Wonder Girl/Troy.

Right now she is supposed to be some sort of made from clay magic murder bot

except that origin is tied to Diana visiting Paradise island
which is now nothing but an illusion created by the Gods so that she would never try to return home (and thus accidentally free Ares)
So that means Donna's new origin can't be real
but they are insisting that it is

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻


Grey,

Yeah it's been a muddled mess since 2017...

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Since 1987, if we want to be honest. Since her origin was wiped out in the original Crisis on Infinite Earths.


Well I thought her origin was fine until Flashpoint, Chris....


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Well I thought her origin was fine until Flashpoint, Chris....

Which one? No, Troy's background is/backgrounds are seriously messed up.


I was talking about Wonder Woman's, Damon. But yes, Troy's has been all over the map.

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I just finished the first issue of Naomi. This looks to be an amazing story.


Eh it wasn't terrible. But I'm beginning to be...concerned that Tom King is going to be ruining more of DC if the solicits for Heroes in Crisis is any indication....


Naomi seems interesting actually. But what got me laughing was the Wonder Twins preview. It's a surprise to see I'll say that much, Zhan giving a report on his planet to his high school class was...interesting

and to top it all off they seem to be interns at the Hall of Justice.

It as like taking the old Super friends cartoon and Marvelizing it. Not entirely sure how I feel about that. It was odd and yet I enjoyed it, certainly enough to check out the first issue or two.


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Yeah I'm looking forward to this new stuff like Naomi, Young Justice and of course Wonder Twins. But we'll have to see what else comes of it.

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Ignoring origin story shenanigans with Wonder Woman (almost always a good idea), G. Willow Wilson's take in the current run is really good.

JL Dark is also interesting.


Well Dark has the thing going for it where the Lords of Order are ready to wipe out magic. I dunno what's going on with Diana's stuff atm...

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In Wonder Woman, G. Willow Wilson (inaugural author of Kamala Khan's Ms. Marvel) took over a few issues ago. Initial plotline IIRC involved Ares awakening and escaping prison, but bent on "redemption" and the idea he was now going to fight for justice, but of course his idea of that is skewed, and he escalates a nasty civil war in the name of "righteousness."

Meanwhile it seems more mythical creatures and gods are showing up on the mortal plane and not quite sure why they are there. Aphrodite is currently aiding Diana and Steve Trevor, which is amusing.

I like it when they really have fun dealing with mythology in Wonder Woman, so it's been fun for me. I love the character of Wonder Woman but I have a habit of dropping and re-taking up the title depending on the goings-on and the writer. A lot of folks have very, very different ideas for what they think is a good story for Wonder Woman, but this one, so far, so good.


DQ,

I'm semi-aware of that story line. I did read it. However I wasn't aware G Willow Wilson had taken over right then and there. I just thought it came afterwards. But regardless, I guess I'm just not sure I'm ready to have this kind of stuff in a Wonder Woman story...when there's still so much crap being thrown at the wall in DC in general.


Young Justice 3 is out and
Well.....Conner...wth man?


Yeah...I'm not thrilled with the way Bendis is handling ANY of this...


Haven't gotten YJ 3 yet, but I liked the first 2. And Naomi so far.
YJ is fun, not too serious.


Thomas Seitz wrote:
Yeah...I'm not thrilled with the way Bendis is handling ANY of this...

The stuff with Conner feels really weird and out of character, but I will see where it goes.

flip side is the whole bit with the others in the prison cells

Wonder Girl and Amethyst are going to be a fun combo aren't they


Well I guess even though it's good in places, YJ isn't QUITE clicking with me. I mean I guess after having so much DC crap, it's hard to find much silver lining.

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What's your opinion of the work in Detective #1000? Like Action #1000, it was a lot of, well, filler. For folks who haven't read a Batman story in a while.

I thought the "old Penguin" story was my favorite.


It was what it was; More ways for DC to try to sell us on a comic that didn't have much to offer other than some interesting side stories.


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...so I think I'm done. This Heroes in Crisis story has just ended it for me. I'm not even mad, just tiered of it.

I should be mad

but I'm just done.

where ever DC is going now....it's not for me


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I'm mad. They made Wally look incompetent, cowardly and mostly just NOT WALLY WEST!

This who thing of King's was a non-starter once the body count was released. It kept going after that.

Sure, the Speed Force can be dangerous. But last I checked, it hadn't been weaponized by anyone other than, you know BAD GUYS.

This was a clusterf*** in search of being annoying.

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Well, we finally find out what's supposed to be going on in Doomsday Clock. In an issue-long exposition, we find out that Doctor Manhattan has been pulling Superman's strings to see how that alters the DC universe. (Answer: hyper-time is back.)


Chris,

Not sure it's that so much as Earth - 0 is kind of like the default setting for the multiverse and Superman represents the default setting for much of the "Hope" that we thought we'd see before Tom King decided to crap all over all Wally West...

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