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Damon Griffin wrote:This July, the ever-expanding Crayola Corps brings you...the Ultraviolet Lantern!
I wish that was a joke.
I wrote up an Ultraviolet Lantern set in the Legion future. His ring manipulated energy invisible to human (and most alien) perception, and kept him invisible most of the time, as his role was as an internal police force for the other lanterns...
I'm amused that DC has decided to make Ultraviolet Lanterns, although I imagine their version will be nothing like mine. :)
Plaid Lanterns will no doubt be next.
didn't they do that already with the corpse?

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Man I hope Jon survives whatever Bendis has planned, that kid is the best thing to happen to Superman in a long time. Being a Dad just brings out the best in him.
According to Previews, Bendis starts out with Lois and Jon missing.
Clark is trying to keep it a secret from everyone at the Planet, while Superman is fighting some villain.Doesn't sound like a good start to me.

Greylurker |

Grey,
Not sure that's it so much as the Source Wall breaks and now dear old Darkseid's dad is out. At least...that's the rumor.
But yeah the Controllers REALLY screwed the pooch on this. Not sure the GL are doing much better though.
Might be part of it but Wonder Woman ripping out all his stolen divine energy (with the power of love) seems to have addled him a little.

phantom1592 |
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I’m just starting the New 52 (about 15 titles) after a long hiatus. I’m enjoying Action Comics, Superman is a hard slog so far tho. Does Superman get better or should I skip it until Rebirth?
Well, I didn't actually read it... but from what I heard people really liked how Morrison started and complained how it turned out later.
So if the beginning isn't hooking you, I wouldn't count on improvements...

thejeff |
Fandabidozi wrote:I’m just starting the New 52 (about 15 titles) after a long hiatus. I’m enjoying Action Comics, Superman is a hard slog so far tho. Does Superman get better or should I skip it until Rebirth?Well, I didn't actually read it... but from what I heard people really liked how Morrison started and complained how it turned out later.
So if the beginning isn't hooking you, I wouldn't count on improvements...
Unless of course you're one of those who doesn't like Morrison.
But I'd thought that Morrison wrote Action, but Superman was a different team?

Damon Griffin |

I gather there is another Crisis coming on the heels of the breached Source Wall and the coming of the four Celestials or whatever they're calling that bunch that prompted the formation of four ad hoc teams to combat them.
Poor DC Multiverse can't catch a break. It's like it has a cosmic case of some major digestive disorder whose symptoms have worsened over the past several decades.

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1985's Crisis was supposed to simplify things. It did, and was the better for it.
But they decided to reinstate the multiverse in the 2000's and its been all downhill since then.

thejeff |
1985's Crisis was supposed to simplify things. It did, and was the better for it.
But they decided to reinstate the multiverse in the 2000's and its been all downhill since then.
Well, IMO, Crisis broke everything, ruined some favorite characters and left others a confusing mess as their origins got vaporized. It did do some good things though.
I thought they'd started reintroducing the multiverse sooner than that, but it seems like the first bit was "Hypertime" around 2000.

Thomas Seitz |

Hypertime was a Morrison invention to explain various timeline stuff and also introduce a KIND of multiverse.
Also I'm still a fan of the Multiverse...just not the way it's been heading for the past 10+ years And yes the Titans thingie IS too much like Marvel but I guess when you run out of creative ideas after rebooting so much...you get this.
And yes Morrison DID write Action but he stopped after something else came up. I think.

thejeff |
Hypertime was a Morrison invention to explain various timeline stuff and also introduce a KIND of multiverse.
Also I'm still a fan of the Multiverse...just not the way it's been heading for the past 10+ years And yes the Titans thingie IS too much like Marvel but I guess when you run out of creative ideas after rebooting so much...you get this.
And yes Morrison DID write Action but he stopped after something else came up. I think.
I think it's more that he finished his intended story arc and moved on.

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Well, IMO, Crisis broke everything, ruined some favorite characters and left others a confusing mess as their origins got vaporized. It did do some good things though.
I thought they'd started reintroducing the multiverse sooner than that, but it seems like the first bit was "Hypertime" around 2000.
Yeah, that's my take on it to, as a fan of the Justice Society and Legion of Super-Heroes.
Plus they seemed to break their own rules willy-nilly. Supergirl, for instance, was alive again pretty fast (compared to say, Barry Allen, who took 20-something years to come back, or Kole, who never came back).

thejeff |
thejeff wrote:Well, IMO, Crisis broke everything, ruined some favorite characters and left others a confusing mess as their origins got vaporized. It did do some good things though.
I thought they'd started reintroducing the multiverse sooner than that, but it seems like the first bit was "Hypertime" around 2000.
Yeah, that's my take on it to, as a fan of the Justice Society and Legion of Super-Heroes.
Plus they seemed to break their own rules willy-nilly. Supergirl, for instance, was alive again pretty fast (compared to say, Barry Allen, who took 20-something years to come back, or Kole, who never came back).
Though the Supergirl who came back quickly wasn't actually the same person - being an artificial lifeform from a parallel world at first and then some other weirdness. Kara didn't actually come back until Infinite Crisis (or thereabouts?), only a few years before Barry. There was a Supergirl for much of that time, but there was also a Flash for almost all of it.
And Kole was a throwaway character, designed to be killed. She was around for less than a year, never had a title, was just barely a member of the Titans. She had a cool look and a cool powerset, but barely any real characterization. Not really much of a surprise she never came back.
The Legion never recovered. The Justice Society spent years literally in Limbo.
Some stuff certainly worked. Superman was a much better character/title afterwards. A lot of the silliness swept away or transformed. Despite the continuity problems it caused elsewhere. Perez's reboot of Wonder Woman was excellent.

phantom1592 |

1985's Crisis was supposed to simplify things. It did, and was the better for it.
But they decided to reinstate the multiverse in the 2000's and its been all downhill since then.
It tried to fix a problem that never existed. The claim that multiple earth's confused people was dumb. As rarely as they ever actually USED any of the Earth X, Earth S, Earth 5 type characters it was really a non-issue.
Most of those characters ended up essentially getting wiped out... when it would be just as easy to not use them. Which they were also doing.
Earth 1 and earth 2 were the only earths that got any real attention, and the few times they did show up, it was easily explained in the first page or two.
Compared to the chaos that trying to merge the hawkmen and wonder Woman origins and cram everythign together created... the multiverse was pretty simplistic.
Add in the fact how multiple earths/realities are common concepts in media now, if anything DC was ahead of it's time.

thejeff |
Charles Scholz wrote:1985's Crisis was supposed to simplify things. It did, and was the better for it.
But they decided to reinstate the multiverse in the 2000's and its been all downhill since then.It tried to fix a problem that never existed. The claim that multiple earth's confused people was dumb. As rarely as they ever actually USED any of the Earth X, Earth S, Earth 5 type characters it was really a non-issue.
Most of those characters ended up essentially getting wiped out... when it would be just as easy to not use them. Which they were also doing.
Earth 1 and earth 2 were the only earths that got any real attention, and the few times they did show up, it was easily explained in the first page or two.
Compared to the chaos that trying to merge the hawkmen and wonder Woman origins and cram everythign together created... the multiverse was pretty simplistic.
Add in the fact how multiple earths/realities are common concepts in media now, if anything DC was ahead of it's time.
One amusing thing is that one thing Crisis was really good for was an introduction to the old DC Multiverse. It was just around then that I was starting to read DC stuff regularly and by the time Crisis was over, I was hooked on a lot of the stuff they'd just destroyed. And anything confusing about it was nicely cleared up just reading the big crossover.

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It tried to fix a problem that never existed. The claim that multiple earth's confused people was dumb. As rarely as they ever actually USED any of the Earth X, Earth S, Earth 5 type characters it was really a non-issue.
Most of those characters ended up essentially getting wiped out... when it would be just as easy to not use them. Which they were also doing.
It was indeed a solution in search of a problem.
Even as a teenager, I remember reading the issue where the Earths are being destroyed by the antimatter waves, and the Earth 3 Crime Syndicate go down fighting and are annihilated, while the Marvel family, Freedom Fighters, select members of the Justice Society, Captain Atom and the other Fawcett heroes all kind of 'jump ship' and end up on the new combined Earth, *while everyone in their universes dies.*
And I was left with a weird sort of feeling that the only *heroes* left of all these Earths were the Crime Syndicate, who died (futilely) trying to save their world, while all the other 'heroes' else just kind of bailed and left the billions counting on them (including their friends and families, assuming they weren't antisocial pod people hatched from eggs) to die screaming.
I'm *sure* that wasn't the message I was supposed to take away from the Crisis on Infinite Earths, but that's kind of the way it sorted itself out, at the end of the crisis.
Plus it got silly with the whole 'oh, retcon, the other earths never existed now' nonsense, since the various writers were on different pages about the whole thing, and started working on new versions of dead characters, and coming up with alternate versions of the multiverse (like Hypertime) within a year of this 'big fix' for a 'problem' that, IMO, never existed.

Greylurker |

All I know is I liked it when we just had 52 universes...now I just wonder what the hell is going on...
Near as I understand it we still have 52 universes, it's just we now of an explanation of how those alternate universes come to be.
The Multiverse isn't one based on going left in one reality and right in the other. Instead each reality is born from the collective Hopes or Fears of those living in the Prime reality. Each reality in the multiverse reprisents something in the collective unconcious of the universe.
The Dark is where those subconcious hopes and fears are forged into a new world, but they only last based on how strong those feelings are. If strong enough we get a permanent new Universe added to the current total.
So for example Nazi-Earth is a reality born from the subconcious fears of totalitarian rule, and that probably is reflected in the entierity of it's reality, not simply Earth. The GL corp of that universe likely has more in common with the Controllers than the Guardians.
the 52 Earths aren't simply random realities that happened to turn out different than the prime one. They are a creation of very specific concepts and ideas, and tied to distinct principles.

Greylurker |

Grey,
Well that makes a little more sense now...even if I still don't like Space Titans that look like Marvel's Celestials...
<cringe> It's been a month since I picked up my file. Just one thing after another and I haven't gotten to it yet. I have no idea what's happening right now and it's gonna be $100 next time I go to the comic store.
Kirbyesc Space Giants you say.
looking forward to it

Damon Griffin |

And which in turn apparently leads into the next upcoming Crisis, about which I know nothing yet. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that "worlds will live, worlds will die, and the multiverse will never be the same!" In other words, DC personifies the adage that nothing is constant but change.

Damon Griffin |

Damon,
Uhm there's no sign of a Crisis thing after they've already DID Final Crisis like...10 years ago. Or there abouts.
This is what I was referring to.

Greylurker |

and I am now caught back up (after a $130..ouch. Nothing like leaving your file for a month or so to realize just how much I spend on comics)
One thing I am liking out of Doomsday clock is getting a look at the global-political side of the DC Earth and getting some details on Superheroes from around the world.
No Justice was an interesting mini-series and I'm looking forward to see how things grow out of it. Three full Justice League teams and the Legion of Doom still reprisenting those 4 trees.
and over in Wonder Woman I am really starting to like Jason and getting some neat insight into his armor (which apparently was meant for Diana but the rest of the Greek Gods just up and assumed it was meant for the Son and not the Daughter)