The cost of a ring of Overland flight?

[Sstrad]

Hello all,

I was on the pfsrd, trying to calculatr the cost of a ring with one use à day of the Overland flight spell with the Table: Estimating Magic Item Gold Piece Values

But well ... I coudn't figure the price ...

Andy Help?

Thx all

[Duiker]

Command word activated:

first: (spell level x caster level x 1,800)

then: divide by (5/uses per day)

So: (5 * 9 * 1800)/(5) = 16,200gp

However, the rules also say to compare it to other magic items that do similar things to see if it's fair. The Broom of Flying also provides Overland Flight for 9 hours per day, with a couple of other abilities for 17,000. Since the proposed ring is slotted (and thus less valuable) I'd say that around 16K probably is priced right.

[Skylancer4]

Duiker wrote:

Command word activated:

first: (spell level x caster level x 1,800)

then: divide by (5/uses per day)

So: (5 * 9 * 1800)/(5) = 16,200gp

However, the rules also say to compare it to other magic items that do similar things to see if it's fair. The Broom of Flying also provides Overland Flight for 9 hours per day, with a couple of other abilities for 17,000. Since the proposed ring is slotted (and thus less valuable) I'd say that around 16K probably is priced right.

Being less valuable is subjective. They can sunder your broom, they have to kill you to get rid of the ring, etc.

Also the broom is a bad comparison.

A better comparison is Wings of Flying. Slotted, command word activated,60' average maneuverability. 54k gold.

So the ring should at least be around there. Flying is powerful and can trivialize a good portion of encounters. It tends to be very expensive if not counting against the character's daily resources pool.

[James Risner]

Skylancer4 wrote:

A better comparison is Wings of Flying. Slotted, command word activated,60' average maneuverability. 54k gold. So the ring should at least be around there.

+1

[Duiker]

The Wings of Flying are a bad comparison. They are use activated with no limit on number of uses. The OP wants a once per day item, which should be much less expensive.

And since there is already a published once per day item that uses the exact spell the OP wants, that's a far closer comparison than something with more differences.

Slotless vs slotted is not a subjective judgement. Slotless items cost more because they don't take up slots.

[Orfamay Quest]

Skylancer4 wrote:

the broom is a bad comparison.

A better comparison is Wings of Flying. Slotted, command word activated,60' average maneuverability. 54k gold.

You mean, aside from the fact that the overland flight spell doesn't give you 60 feet of movement and gives you an effective better-than-good maneuverability? (+5 bonus to Fly skill, in the item description.)

I think the wings are substantially better than either the broom or the ring.

(Oh, and it's official that a slotless item is more valuable than a slot-taking one -- that's in the guidelines.)

[Arachnofiend]

Orfamay Quest wrote:

I think the wings are substantially better than either the broom or the ring.

With the exception that the wings take up the shoulders slot and are therefore entirely worthless unless you're using ABP or a similar set of rules of course, but I doubt Paizo takes that into the equation when pricing items.

[Skylancer4]

I will readily admit I missed the 1xday portion of the OP.

As for "better" it absolutely is subjective. GP value has a modified for no slot yes, but that doesn't mean it is "better." Better is subjective.

Most slotless items are actually a detriment, they can be destroyed or stolen significantly more easily.

[Arachnofiend]

Well... no, not taking up an item slot is objectively better than taking up an item slot. That's the reason I was ragging on the Wings of Flying; using them locks you out of the Cloak of Resistance, which is objectively worse than not being locked out of the Cloak of Resistance.

[Skylancer4]

Arachnofiend wrote:

Well... no, not taking up an item slot is objectively better than taking up an item slot. That's the reason I was ragging on the Wings of Flying; using them locks you out of the Cloak of Resistance, which is objectively worse than not being locked out of the Cloak of Resistance.

Tell that to the character who plummeted to their death as the broom was destroyed while they were on it (they would say the ring is "better") or the person who fails a save or loses bonuses from losing their ioun stone (they would probably say the slotted items were a " better" choice).

A slotless item alows for more abilities to stack above beyond slotted options, but that doesn't make them 100% "better" in all cases.

[Deighton Thrane]

Ummm, you can have a ring sundered just as easily as the broom you're riding. It may not make as much sense logically, but mechanically they're equally hard to sunder. Ioun stones are even better, they can be implanted so that they can't even be targeted.

[_Ozy_]

Why would sundering be any worse than a dispel magic?

[Skylancer4]

Deighton Thrane wrote:

Ummm, you can have a ring sundered just as easily as the broom you're riding. It may not make as much sense logically, but mechanically they're equally hard to sunder. Ioun stones are even better, they can be implanted so that they can't even be targeted.

But it still benefits from your protections (AC, CMD, whatever), where as the slotless item doesn't. They have their own (typically much worse) stats.

As for the ioun stone, you changed the paradigm from a normal one to "something" else, so that changes things as well.

[Splendor]

Lets compare all of them to the Carpet of Flying: 20,000gp, Unlimited duration, 40 move at 200lbs, 30 move at 400lbs.

[TaiSharShaidar]

That only applies to unattended items. The rules for sundering a broom of flying in use would be the same as sundering a sword in use or worn in a scabbard. You would have to overcome the CMD of the user and then deal damage.

[Darigaaz the Igniter]

Splendor wrote:

Lets compare all of them to the Carpet of Flying: 20,000gp, Unlimited duration, 40 move at 200lbs, 30 move at 400lbs.

+1

[Sstrad]

The for the Help :)