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Hi
Having recently made myself a verminous divine hunter of Achaekek I'm bemused and a little disappointed to find that the Additional Resources entry for Inner Sea Gods only authorises variant spellcasting for the Core 20 deities (except Lamashtu; poor, poor Lamashtu).
Please would campaign leadership consider authorising variant spellcasting for the "lesser" inner sea deities, pages 175 to 181?
I am already assuming that Hunters get to use any spells added to the Druid or Ranger list by variant spellcasting.
Although I am chiefly interested in Achaekek's variant spellcasting being authorised, I'm requesting the same for all of the "lesser deities." If campaign leadership takes the view that any given deity's entry is inappropriate or too powerful it could of course be left out in the same manner as Lamashtu has been (poor, poor Lamashtu).
I don't understand why the additional resources entry only authorised this for the Core deities.
Thanks for your consideration.
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Hey, I'm still waiting for worship of the whore queens to be legalized.
That said, I'd wait and see what Inner Sea Faiths brings. Maybe leadership will open up a lot more options when that book comes out... and a thread like this might sway their opinions when it comes time to add it to the AR.
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I wasn't aware that the Additional Resources didn't allow those. I can look into it, and I don't anticipate there being any reason not to add them.
I'll just need to write a few double negatives first.
Thanks John :)
And along the lines of what Nohwear said, it might be helpful to get an official clarification that divine casters who use the same spell lists get the same variant spellcasting.
Much appreciated.
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They already made the change.
Ah, interesting.
They said that all material in Chapter 2 was legal. But for Variant Spellcasting they specifically called out pages 19 - 171 (less 99) as legal, which does not include the pages in Chapter 2.
To be perfectly clear, they should probably update the page range for Variant Spellcasting through page 181.
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I am already assuming that Hunters get to use any spells added to the Druid or Ranger list by variant spellcasting.
And you'd be wrong. The spells aren't added to the class lists, they're added to the classes themselves. Oracles who worship these gods don't get the cleric additions for example.
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They already made the change.Ah, interesting.
They said that all material in Chapter 2 was legal. But for Variant Spellcasting they specifically called out pages 19 - 171 (less 99) as legal, which does not include the pages in Chapter 2.
To be perfectly clear, they should probably update the page range for Variant Spellcasting through page 181.
Yes, I have made a note to expand the page range to 181 (or just remove the range altogether, as at that point all variant spellcasting in the book would be legal).
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And you'd be wrong. The spells aren't added to the class lists, they're added to the classes themselves. Oracles who worship these gods don't get the cleric additions for example.Hi
I am already assuming that Hunters get to use any spells added to the Druid or Ranger list by variant spellcasting.
How do you add a spell to a class exactly? Other than adding the spell to the class spell list?
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How do you add a spell to a class exactly? Other than adding the spell to the class spell list?And you'd be wrong. The spells aren't added to the class lists, they're added to the classes themselves. Oracles who worship these gods don't get the cleric additions for example.Hi
I am already assuming that Hunters get to use any spells added to the Druid or Ranger list by variant spellcasting.
Here is an example for Inner Sea Gods:
Clerics, paladins, and rangers of Erastil may prepare goodberry as a 2nd-level spell, and druids can cast the spell on nuts or seeds as well as berries. Clerics and paladins may cast animal messenger as a 2nd-level spell, and all priests may use that spell on any non-hostile animal (including friendly guard animals and domesticated animals).
It specifies which classes can use which spells, adding them to their class spell list. An Oracle of Erastil for instance, even though they use the general Cleric list, would not get either Goodberry or Animal Messanger, because it's added to the Cleric Class, not the Cleric/Oracle spell list, and a Cleric of any other deity would not get these spells added either.
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Here's my logic.
1. Inner Sea Gods was published before the Hunter class existed.
2. Hunters cast spells from the druid and ranger spell lists, at whichever spell level is lower from the two lists.
3. Inner Sea Gods adds spells to spell lists for worshippers of various gods via variant spellcasting.
4. Ergo, if a Hunter worships a god whose variant spellcasting adds spells to either the ranger or Druid spell list, that Hunter has access too.
Oracles use the cleric list; so an addition to the cleric list is an addition to the oracle list, no? We don't distinguish between sorcerer and wizard spell lists (except in special cases like mnemonic enhancer), why would we for clerics and oracles?