Petition for (wider) authorisation of variant spellcasting (inner sea gods)


Pathfinder Society

Silver Crusade 1/5

Hi

Having recently made myself a verminous divine hunter of Achaekek I'm bemused and a little disappointed to find that the Additional Resources entry for Inner Sea Gods only authorises variant spellcasting for the Core 20 deities (except Lamashtu; poor, poor Lamashtu).

Please would campaign leadership consider authorising variant spellcasting for the "lesser" inner sea deities, pages 175 to 181?

I am already assuming that Hunters get to use any spells added to the Druid or Ranger list by variant spellcasting.

Although I am chiefly interested in Achaekek's variant spellcasting being authorised, I'm requesting the same for all of the "lesser deities." If campaign leadership takes the view that any given deity's entry is inappropriate or too powerful it could of course be left out in the same manner as Lamashtu has been (poor, poor Lamashtu).

I don't understand why the additional resources entry only authorised this for the Core deities.

Thanks for your consideration.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Companion Subscriber

Hey, I'm still waiting for worship of the whore queens to be legalized.

That said, I'd wait and see what Inner Sea Faiths brings. Maybe leadership will open up a lot more options when that book comes out... and a thread like this might sway their opinions when it comes time to add it to the AR.

Dark Archive

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+1 in support of this. My horse in this race is Milani who seems to be ascending to core status as the only lesser deity with a Deific Obedience but her inquisitors, rangers, and clerics don't get Good Hope (potentially the most Milani spell in the game).


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I would appreciate this as well. While I can not speak for the OP, I at least like you to sanction Warpriests to gain the same variant casting options as Clerics while Hunters to gain the same with Rangers/Druids. Thank you for your consideration.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Developer

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I wasn't aware that the Additional Resources didn't allow those. I can look into it, and I don't anticipate there being any reason not to add them.

I'll just need to write a few double negatives first.

5/5 ⦵⦵⦵

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Kalindlara wrote:

Hey, I'm still waiting for worship of the whore queens to be legalized.

Wait, they banned the dark archives?

*ow ow ow ow books bound in human skin hurt ow ow ow ow*

Silver Crusade 1/5

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John Compton wrote:

I wasn't aware that the Additional Resources didn't allow those. I can look into it, and I don't anticipate there being any reason not to add them.

I'll just need to write a few double negatives first.

Thanks John :)

And along the lines of what Nohwear said, it might be helpful to get an official clarification that divine casters who use the same spell lists get the same variant spellcasting.

Much appreciated.

Silver Crusade

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John Compton wrote:
I'll just need to write a few double negatives first.

Please don't not get on with not putting that off. ;)

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Companion, Lost Omens, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Oh, awesome! Glad to hear it, John!

Dark Archive

Pathfinder Card Game, Companion, Maps, Pathfinder Accessories Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber; Starfinder Charter Superscriber
The Fox wrote:
John Compton wrote:
I'll just need to write a few double negatives first.
Please don't not get on with not putting that off. ;)

Ain't no way that's gonna happen. :-P

Sovereign Court 5/5

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Any records of illegally preparing silent image in the past have already been modified.

Hail the Veil.

Silver Crusade 1/5

Any chance of this in the next Additional Resources update?

Sovereign Court 1/5

Me thank wise and powerful campaign leadership for mighty magic!

Shadow Lodge

Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Starfinder Superscriber

My Cleric of Naderi would also be much appreciative of this change.

I was planning on making a similar request after we saw what was allowed from Inner Seat Faiths.

Silver Crusade 5/5

They already made the change.

Shadow Lodge

Paizo Superscriber; Pathfinder Companion Subscriber; Starfinder Superscriber
UndeadMitch wrote:
They already made the change.

Ah, interesting.

They said that all material in Chapter 2 was legal. But for Variant Spellcasting they specifically called out pages 19 - 171 (less 99) as legal, which does not include the pages in Chapter 2.

To be perfectly clear, they should probably update the page range for Variant Spellcasting through page 181.


supervillan wrote:

Hi

I am already assuming that Hunters get to use any spells added to the Druid or Ranger list by variant spellcasting.

And you'd be wrong. The spells aren't added to the class lists, they're added to the classes themselves. Oracles who worship these gods don't get the cleric additions for example.

Paizo Employee 5/5 Pathfinder Society Lead Developer

pH unbalanced wrote:
UndeadMitch wrote:
They already made the change.

Ah, interesting.

They said that all material in Chapter 2 was legal. But for Variant Spellcasting they specifically called out pages 19 - 171 (less 99) as legal, which does not include the pages in Chapter 2.

To be perfectly clear, they should probably update the page range for Variant Spellcasting through page 181.

Yes, I have made a note to expand the page range to 181 (or just remove the range altogether, as at that point all variant spellcasting in the book would be legal).

Silver Crusade 5/5

I figured the stuff under misc that said all stuff under misc that said that all content in chapters 1 and 2 are legal (except the Lamashtu stuff) also covered the variant spellcasting.

Silver Crusade 1/5

Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
supervillan wrote:

Hi

I am already assuming that Hunters get to use any spells added to the Druid or Ranger list by variant spellcasting.

And you'd be wrong. The spells aren't added to the class lists, they're added to the classes themselves. Oracles who worship these gods don't get the cleric additions for example.

How do you add a spell to a class exactly? Other than adding the spell to the class spell list?

Shadow Lodge

supervillan wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
supervillan wrote:

Hi

I am already assuming that Hunters get to use any spells added to the Druid or Ranger list by variant spellcasting.

And you'd be wrong. The spells aren't added to the class lists, they're added to the classes themselves. Oracles who worship these gods don't get the cleric additions for example.
How do you add a spell to a class exactly? Other than adding the spell to the class spell list?

Here is an example for Inner Sea Gods:

Erastil Variant Spellcasting wrote:


Clerics, paladins, and rangers of Erastil may prepare goodberry as a 2nd-level spell, and druids can cast the spell on nuts or seeds as well as berries. Clerics and paladins may cast animal messenger as a 2nd-level spell, and all priests may use that spell on any non-hostile animal (including friendly guard animals and domesticated animals).

It specifies which classes can use which spells, adding them to their class spell list. An Oracle of Erastil for instance, even though they use the general Cleric list, would not get either Goodberry or Animal Messanger, because it's added to the Cleric Class, not the Cleric/Oracle spell list, and a Cleric of any other deity would not get these spells added either.

Silver Crusade 1/5

Here's my logic.

1. Inner Sea Gods was published before the Hunter class existed.

2. Hunters cast spells from the druid and ranger spell lists, at whichever spell level is lower from the two lists.

3. Inner Sea Gods adds spells to spell lists for worshippers of various gods via variant spellcasting.

4. Ergo, if a Hunter worships a god whose variant spellcasting adds spells to either the ranger or Druid spell list, that Hunter has access too.

Oracles use the cleric list; so an addition to the cleric list is an addition to the oracle list, no? We don't distinguish between sorcerer and wizard spell lists (except in special cases like mnemonic enhancer), why would we for clerics and oracles?

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